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Post by stull90210 on Dec 15, 2021 13:35:10 GMT -5
Do we know where the selection committee/voters start when picking players? It seems to me they start with the teams that went deep in the tourney, making sure to have representation, and afterwards fill in the rest with stand outs in stat categories etc. For Neb, they were looking at a final four team that rotated between five pin hitters throughout the season, an ineligible first team caliber middle, and an impressive frosh libero. Zero percent chance a final four team gets shut out of the 1st Team, so if not Roddy, who? Bit of a throwback but what about Michigan’s team in 2012? Haha |
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Post by donut on Dec 15, 2021 13:36:21 GMT -5
Objective posters should think this (re: Rodriguez). dude, stop trying to press your subjective "objectivity" onto others. everybody's entitled to his/her own "objectivity". I don't even know who you are, but I'm glad I've left such an impression on you in only 80 posts... Better argue why subjectively Rodriguez should be first team then! You'll notice that it's only Nebraska fans supporting her selection... I think other liberos deserved the First Team nod more, and I haven't just relied on "GBR!" to take that position. It's comical that as soon as anyone tries to use data or logical reasoning to make a point about a Husker player, they're suddenly anti-Nebraska. I've never been anti-Nebraska. I joined this forum as a Nebraska fan! I am, however, anti-favoritism. |
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Post by bruinsgold on Dec 15, 2021 13:38:44 GMT -5
donut I'm taking your above post as endorsement for Otec being higher on the list. Thank you for standing up for deserving liberos. Your card is in the mail! 😁
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 15, 2021 13:41:30 GMT -5
Butler’s kps just aren’t there this season for 1st Team. That would be my main gripe. Lol Her blocks aren't either honestly. I love Butler but 1.96 kills and 1.16 blocks shouldn't be first team AA for a middle blocker. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 15, 2021 13:42:28 GMT -5
Butler’s kps just aren’t there this season for 1st Team. That would be my main gripe. Lol Her blocks aren't either honestly. I love Butler but 1.96 kills and 1.16 blocks shouldn't be first team AA for a middle blocker. Once again, players get team recognition. It’s insane. AVCA needs to do better. |
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Post by donut on Dec 15, 2021 13:42:33 GMT -5
donut I'm taking your above post as endorsement for Otec being higher on the list. Thank you for standing up for deserving liberos. Your card is in the mail! 😁 It's an endorsement for Otec, Fleck and McGraw specifically  Let me know if I should be expecting a package too... I've never had a Rolex before! |
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Post by aardvark on Dec 15, 2021 13:44:13 GMT -5
donut I'm taking your above post as endorsement for Otec being higher on the list. Thank you for standing up for deserving liberos. Your card is in the mail! 😁 It's an endorsement for Otec, Fleck and McGraw specifically Let me know if I should be expecting a package too... I've never had a Rolex before! Just to be clear, if the package is ticking, you expect a Rolex is inside? |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 15, 2021 14:01:29 GMT -5
The surprising thing was seeing Washington with four with "just" a Sweet 16. So maybe they're finally in the blue bloods club. They were Final Four just six months ago. And PAC-12 champs twice in a row. Even if you go by team success as a filter, I would say they have had team success sufficient to pop through the filter. |
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Post by azsker on Dec 15, 2021 14:04:13 GMT -5
dude, stop trying to press your subjective "objectivity" onto others. everybody's entitled to his/her own "objectivity". I don't even know who you are, but I'm glad I've left such an impression on you in only 80 posts... Better argue why subjectively Rodriguez should be first team then! You'll notice that it's only Nebraska fans supporting her selection... I think other liberos deserved the First Team nod more, and I haven't just relied on "GBR!" to take that position. It's comical that as soon as anyone tries to use data or logical reasoning to make a point about a Husker player, they're suddenly anti-Nebraska. I've never been anti-Nebraska. I joined this forum as a Nebraska fan! I am, however, anti-favoritism. I don’t know if it’s necessary to make an argument when both the B1G coaches and AVCA thought it? I mean, she was the defensive player of the year in a conference that made up half the elite 8 and final four. Otec, CC, Barnes, Hampton, they’re all in that conference too. Those coaches play against them too. And they still thought it Roddy deserved it. And would she have made it if Nebraska fell short of a final four? No, probably not. But they made it, in large part to her presence in a backcourt that most say is the best in the country. They aren’t there without her. You can have your opinions and reasons for them. But to make it seem like it’s some sort of blasphemy is over reaching. |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Dec 15, 2021 14:07:22 GMT -5
a second day of AA posts to read ... ok, let me get some more coffee ... lol
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 15, 2021 14:08:57 GMT -5
So for NFOY I guess that means Roddy and grome are the front runners? Still shocked by both of their placements on the AA team. Both of them imo are the best at their position for all freshman, but neither should’ve been that high on the list I personally think they are both deserving of where they are. Grome stepped into the shoes of the reigning national player of the year and did a great job. Kentucky’s early exit isn’t just on her shoulders and shouldn’t be. Nebraska without Roddy wouldn’t be in the final four. She has transformed this team into a national title contender once again and for a libero…well you just don’t see that too often. I mean, yes Roddy is very big for Nebraska but they are still probably the best defensive team in the country without her. No one has two DS that are as good as akana and knuckles. And no one has a setter who is as good defensively as hames. And Kubik is one of the best backcourt OHs in the country. It’s not like Roddy is carrying this Nebraska team and defense on her shoulders. I agree that they probably wouldn’t be here without her, but they wouldn’t be here without probably any of the starters from the Texas match. It’s not about what you do for your team, it’s about how good you are for the AA lost and I don’t think Roddy showed that she is better than fleck or Barnes |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Dec 15, 2021 14:14:53 GMT -5
The only thing I don’t get is Kubic at 3rd team who hit .207 on the year over one of the likes of one of the Skinner sisters, especially Avery. Not a hate Nebraska statement but can’t believe the Jersey didn’t have something to do with that. You are missing the all around package Kubik brings for Nebraska. Her primary role is passing. If you only want to look at the .207, then yeah.. yes, being a 'primary passer' is a criteria the committee considers, but it's not even in the top 4 of criteria that is emphasized for the AA selection of OHs.... here's the awards packet: www.avca.org/res/uploads/media/2021-Fall-DI-Awards-Packet_2.pdf |
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Post by hammer on Dec 15, 2021 14:16:27 GMT -5
Kenzie Koerber 3rd Team?  ? Nope. Happy to see Drews on the 1st team. Kenzie should be at least 2nd team. |
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Post by GatorsChomp on Dec 15, 2021 14:16:35 GMT -5
Her blocks aren't either honestly. I love Butler but 1.96 kills and 1.16 blocks shouldn't be first team AA for a middle blocker. Once again, players get team recognition. It’s insane. AVCA needs to do better. 100%, if your team makes a lot of noise and headlines than it definitely improves your chances of getting on 1st team. Think of Stanford 2017-2019, basically Plummer, Gray and Hentz were constantly talked about. 2017: Florida and Kentucky both got 1 first team AA, PSU got 2 first team AA and Stanford got 3 1st team AAs. Hentz being first team in 2017 was pretty weird to me considering her best seasons were 2018-2019. But that's just my take on it |
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Post by hammer on Dec 15, 2021 14:17:09 GMT -5
My thoughts - 1. Lund & Rodriguez seem too high. They definitely deserve to be on a team, but not sure about 1st team. 2. I'm surprised by Grome, Grote & Monserez on 2nd team. 3. Koerber & Matthews should've been up on 2nd team. 4. Cleveland, Tealer & S. Gray should've been higher than HM. 5. Seems like BYU got the shaft this year. Only AA is Koerber on 3rd team. Yikes! Grome 2nd team and Miner not even HM, or did I miss something? |
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