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Post by donut on Dec 16, 2021 16:41:40 GMT -5
... do you understand how hitting percentage works? Every match is going to affect your hitting percentage... I guess we should strip Plummer's NPOY award because of poor performances against Howard, Oregon State, and Cal in 2018, all of which lowered her hitting percentage! Definitely can't accept a player's hitting percentage lowering because of poor matches against weak opponents. My point is one match doesn't tell the story, so, thanks for proving my point. The previous poster indicated that one match against a lower Big10 team prevented her from a second team AA award. They actually didn't argue that. Read carefully. You know what is "high school?" This comment! |
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Post by smartcookie on Dec 16, 2021 16:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by retiredd1coach on Dec 16, 2021 17:07:58 GMT -5
in the second scenario there’s no way she would have stats to warrant the award so it doesn’t really matter. If the awards were solely based on stats, that would be a decent argument. As we see today, that is not the case. Not saying right or wrong, but people are using the wrong stats and blaming the wrong people. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Dec 16, 2021 17:33:33 GMT -5
NPOY is late because it’s a co-NPOY this year. Had to get another trophy made.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Dec 16, 2021 17:34:54 GMT -5
Congrats DBK. So well deserved! Daddy Dan will have his turn; I just know it.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 16, 2021 17:44:05 GMT -5
I think she deserved to win unanimously. They're undefeated and in the first Final Four in school history. Was it not unanimous?? |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 16, 2021 18:01:56 GMT -5
I think she deserved to win unanimously. They're undefeated and in the first Final Four in school history. Was it not unanimous?? I mean, I don't know if there's an official vote tally that's publicly available. Just saying that she deserves to win unanimously in my view. |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 16, 2021 18:06:28 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why tournament results should *hugely* matter for the AA lists. it should be a look at the whole season, not just the tournament. we have regional teams and all-tournament teams for that. I mean, frankly, I don't think the tournament should be considered at all for All-Americans. There are already postseason awards for that. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 16, 2021 18:07:17 GMT -5
How many people can vote? If it's every member of AVCA, or even every college coach, there is no way that's going to be unanimous. You get several hundred people together to vote, and they aren't going to unanimously agree that the sun rises in the morning.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 16, 2021 18:07:55 GMT -5
Not sure if people complaining about team success playing a role in individual awards have never seen individual awards in any team sport before. You can’t name a single individual award for a team sport where the teams success didn’t play a strong role. The Heisman is usually the best player on the best team. There’s only ever 5 players in the history of the MLB to win MVP on a team with a losing record. Only once has Super Bowl and once World Series MVP come from the losing team. It’s not a travesty that team success influences these awards. It’s the way these awards are built. In baseball, team success is way less important than it used to be for MVP and Cy Young. In fact, I'm not sure it's even a big consideration anymore. |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 16, 2021 18:09:05 GMT -5
How many people can vote? If it's every member of AVCA, or even every college coach, there is no way that's going to be unanimous. You get several hundred people together to vote, and they aren't going to unanimously agree that the sun rises in the morning. I don't know about that. Mariano Rivera was inducted into the Hall of Fame unanimously on 425 ballots. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 16, 2021 18:09:20 GMT -5
Not sure if people complaining about team success playing a role in individual awards have never seen individual awards in any team sport before. You can’t name a single individual award for a team sport where the teams success didn’t play a strong role. The Heisman is usually the best player on the best team. There’s only ever 5 players in the history of the MLB to win MVP on a team with a losing record. Only once has Super Bowl and once World Series MVP come from the losing team. It’s not a travesty that team success influences these awards. It’s the way these awards are built. In baseball, team success is way less important than it used to be for MVP and Cy Young. In fact, I'm not sure it's even a big consideration anymore. Those awards also have a hard stop on the voting before the playoffs start, so playoff success (or failure) can not influence them in any way. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 16, 2021 18:10:31 GMT -5
How many people can vote? If it's every member of AVCA, or even every college coach, there is no way that's going to be unanimous. You get several hundred people together to vote, and they aren't going to unanimously agree that the sun rises in the morning. I don't know about that. Mariano Rivera was inducted into the Hall of Fame unanimously on 425 ballots. New York Yankees are the exception to every rule, when it comes to baseball. |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 16, 2021 18:11:19 GMT -5
In baseball, team success is way less important than it used to be for MVP and Cy Young. In fact, I'm not sure it's even a big consideration anymore. Those awards also have a hard stop on the voting before the playoffs start, so playoff success (or failure) can not influence them in any way. Yes, that's true, which is by design. Almost every other sport that I follow does it this way, but the AVCA stubbornly insists on considering part (not all) of the tournament. Though with baseball specifically, it doesn't even really seem like regular season team success is that important anymore, which was my point. I think in the other major professional sports, the voters much prefer to give their MVP awards to players on playoff teams at the very least. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 16, 2021 18:16:56 GMT -5
I don't know about that. Mariano Rivera was inducted into the Hall of Fame unanimously on 425 ballots. New York Yankees are the exception to every rule, when it comes to baseball. More seriously, there has been a trend recently in MLB HOF voting toward breaking certain unwritten rules. One of those was that nobody should ever get unanimously voted in, because the historical icons were not unanimously voted in. There also used to a few die-hard voters who refused on principle to elect ANYBODY in their first year of eligibility (for some strange reason of tradition). Rickey Henderson should have been unanimous but only got 95%. Randy Johnson should have been unanimous, but only got 97%. Ken Griffey Junior got 99.3%, and it became clear that the barriers to 100% were weakening. It will be interesting to see what happens with Ichiro Suzuki, because there is no possible justification that he is not a HOF player. |
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