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Post by badgerbreath on Jun 8, 2022 20:14:04 GMT -5
Basically, one row of seats with seat backs + ADA seating take up the space of 2 rows without - if you compare EFG to SRQ. I was puzzling over that discrepancy when I looked at that map before.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jun 8, 2022 20:22:01 GMT -5
Our old seats are also in the new chair back section. I just hope they’ll let long-time / existing season ticket holders have right of first refusal for the new premium seats. If we’re used to sitting in that area and we’re willing to pay for the upgrade, I hope we get dibs over rando football fans. I'm not sure what this means, and I'm not sure how accurate it is or even can be: "The addition of 369 chairback seats will result in a net loss in capacity of about 400 and the displacement of some fans" IIRC those sections are somewhere around 16 to 19 seats wide (I'm 100% sure that section E is 16 seats wide). So three sections, nine rows, maybe 17 or 18 seats per gets you to something around 450 or 460 seats total. So the "net loss in capacity of about 400" can't be simply from the seatbacks and extra $$, unless they're assuming that everybody is going to say "hell no"; and even that doesn't equate to a loss of capacity. But I very much doubt there will be a 'refusal' that keeps me in section E. I hope like heck I'm wrong. (I also wonder if "friends and family" will get bounced from section E, in favor of more $$. A significant number of the seats in the rows they're talking about are family members, as well as visiting recruits. Very clear memories of a young Dana Rettke sitting three rows down from me in E watching matches, etc.) There are also going to be several rows of seats removed to make room for the ADA section and wheelchair lifts. I am pleased that they’re working to upgrade our accessible seating options. I also wonder where they’re going to move the player pass sections. My money’s on those bronze sections that flank the new chair back seats. But I don’t know. |
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Post by Wiswell on Jun 8, 2022 20:45:14 GMT -5
I like the idea of seatbacks. But just raise the price of those tickets. I hate the chair fee. It won't go away, so you are paying the capital costs for that seat for ever, and repeatedly.
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Post by robtearle on Jun 8, 2022 21:16:09 GMT -5
Here is the new seating chart. Also looking at where I sit (and also the other corner section) they appear to be rearranging the section letters. I was in the last seats of section T, which now shows to be in U.  This is all very curious. As I said earlier, I know for certain that those first few rows of section E are 16 seats wide. For years, I had seat #13, but then the guy in #14 got a pair somewhere else. so they moved me to #14, and to my left there was an older couple (older than me, so really older) in the last two seats before the stairs. Straight up from where AnnMarie Hickey sits. So unless there are a couple of seats with negative numbers on the other end, there were 16 seats in that row. But somehow the diagram says 18. I have no explanation. I guess the seatbacks are going to be pretty doggone narrow. --------- Adding, maybe they did something to close off that walkway out that is/was in between sections D and E, and that added two seats per row? |
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Post by Kearney Kingston on Jun 8, 2022 21:19:35 GMT -5
I’m scared anytime I have to walk anywhere in the upper deck. Plus, hotter than heck.
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Post by robtearle on Jun 8, 2022 21:23:35 GMT -5
I can't blame them - when do you try this if not after a national championship? But it's steep and sudden. It could backfire - but they can't go back on the seat backs. Once they're there, they are there. They aren't coming out. Maybe they are simply trying to defray the cost for one year? I hope with Wiswell it doesn't mean that only fat cats with little skin in the game get the seats and don't fill them. Seat backs in the Stadium for football are removable, and are optional; individually attachable and removable per seat (and cost $ if you choose to have one). Remains to be seen if they mean something like that or more permanent, like you're thinking it will be. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Jun 8, 2022 21:33:36 GMT -5
I can't blame them - when do you try this if not after a national championship? But it's steep and sudden. It could backfire - but they can't go back on the seat backs. Once they're there, they are there. They aren't coming out. Maybe they are simply trying to defray the cost for one year? I hope with Wiswell it doesn't mean that only fat cats with little skin in the game get the seats and don't fill them. Seat backs in the Stadium for football are removable, and are optional; individually attachable and removable per seat (and cost $ if you choose to have one). Remains to be seen if they mean something like that or more permanent, like you're thinking it will be. Good point! I did not realize that, but I never went to a football game (ducks to avoid rotten fruit). EDIT: Come to think of it, that might rule me out of one of these seats, if I were trying buying season tickets. |
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Post by JT on Jun 8, 2022 23:52:52 GMT -5
I like the idea of seatbacks. But just raise the price of those tickets. I hate the chair fee. It won't go away, so you are paying the capital costs for that seat for ever, and repeatedly. The advantage of a seat fee separate from the ticket price is that it is 80% deductible as a charitable contribution. Of course, that's only useful if you itemize, and the odds are that you won't benefit from itemizing any more.  |
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Post by dhpapke on Jun 9, 2022 8:02:59 GMT -5
I think we need to look at ticket prices in the context of general US inflation. My advice is to fill your home heating oil tank for next winter and then see if you can still afford volleyball tickets.
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Post by badgerbreath on Jun 9, 2022 9:55:01 GMT -5
I think we need to look at ticket prices in the context of general US inflation. My advice is to fill your home heating oil tank for next winter and then see if you can still afford volleyball tickets. Off topic of volleyball, but this is terrible advice. It's never a good idea to stock up on oil for long term use when the price is high. You are almost gauranteeing that you will take a loss. Fuel (oil, natural gas) prices are notoriously volatile and subject to the whim of geopolitics and weather over which no one has much control. That is why they are not included in base measures of inflation - because they don't respond primarily to typical supply and demand forces in the short term. And that's why oil companies are not increasing production right now - they don't want to risk reinvesting in production now and then be stuck with large reserves of petroleum worth little down the line, so they are taking advantage of the high prices now until they can see the market stabilize. You'd be better served in the long run taking that money and electifying your heating options to take account of long term reduction and stabilization of electricity prices as the grid moves to renewables. That shift will keep happening, there is no doubt since solar and wind are now cheaper to install than using installed fossil fuel infrastructure. There have been a lot of breakthroughs in heat pump technology in the last 5 years. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Jun 9, 2022 10:24:08 GMT -5
What do we think the effect of halving the number of fans immediately next to the benches will be on the atmosphere in matches?
Also, I wonder what the visual impact will be on television. The cameras are always situated opposite the benches, if I remember right, so that section would be the more prominent. Even if full it might look relatively empty? Or maybe it's not typically full anyway so it would not be noticeable?
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Post by robtearle on Jun 9, 2022 10:38:11 GMT -5
What do we think the effect of halving the number of fans immediately next to the benches will be on the atmosphere in matches? Also, I wonder what the visual impact will be on television. The cameras are always situated opposite the benches, if I remember right, so that section would be the more prominent. Even if full it might look relatively empty? Or maybe it's not typically full anyway so it would not be noticeable? The sections where the seatbacks are being added, the $250 "donation" being charged and some ticket holders being "displaced" are definitely the ones 'on camera' during play. They are/were as full as any in the building; not shoulder-to-shoulder necessarily for Iowa etc, but at-capacity for Minn and Nebraska etc. I can't begin to predict what effect the $250 fees and seatbacks will have on the visuals of those sections. But the fans in those section up til now knew their volleyball quite well. I can think of two occasions when people in section E and F called out to the bench to challenge plays, got Sheffield's attention, and UW ended up winning the challenge: a match in 2019 vs Penn State, maybe, where a number of us in section E saw a long serve be called in - it was likely that Sheffield believed Loberg's brother more than the others of us; and then this past season vs Michigan State, people in section F saw the MSU server foot-fault on a set point, and got the point reversed (though UW ended up losing the set.) So if those sections become populated by big-donors who show up for big matches and sell their seats on StubHub otherwise, the effect will be detrimental. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 13:37:00 GMT -5
Assuming Danielle is fully healthy leading into this summer"s practices and into the regular season do we rotate MB/ OPP positions or settle on the best performers and a couple gals end up on the sidelines a lot.
3 elite at MB in Crawford, Hart, and Robinson
2 elite at OPP Robinson (3rd team All American her freshman year), and Smrek.
Some huge talent on the sidelines this season.
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Post by robtearle on Jun 9, 2022 13:55:00 GMT -5
Assuming Danielle is fully healthy leading into this summer"s practices and into the regular season do we rotate MB/ OPP positions or settle on the best performers and a couple gals end up on the sidelines a lot. 3 elite at MB in Crawford, Hart, and Robinson 2 elite at OPP Robinson (3rd team All American her freshman year), and Smrek. Some huge talent on the sidelines this season. The thing we learned last season - pretty much weekly - is that the lineup you start with is probably not going to be the lineup you end with. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Jun 9, 2022 15:20:58 GMT -5
Assuming Danielle is fully healthy leading into this summer"s practices and into the regular season do we rotate MB/ OPP positions or settle on the best performers and a couple gals end up on the sidelines a lot. 3 elite at MB in Crawford, Hart, and Robinson 2 elite at OPP Robinson (3rd team All American her freshman year), and Smrek. Some huge talent on the sidelines this season. First assumption is a big if. Her knee not only has to heal, but she also has to rebuild her strength, jumping ability and timing after a long time off. I'm guessing that she may be in and out at the beginning of the season. I'm really really glad to have Crawford (and McCaa) on board. Second, we are dealing with two new setters, and that throws a whole other kettle of wax into the dough (I might be mixing 3 or four metaphors there). We'll have to see what combinations develop the best connections. The obvious lineup would keep Smrek and Demps in a rotation at opposite, Robinson and Hart or Crawford at Middle, Franklin and Orzol at OH. Whether Demps subs in the backrow depends on how the passing works out. GG will be great, but Civita leaves big shoes to fill. I'm not sure if they will need another passer for Smrek in the backrow, and use Franklin as the BR attacker instead of Demps. |
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