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Post by bucky415 on Sept 28, 2022 4:31:59 GMT -5
Here's a question: Badgers are 7-3. Have they beaten anybody good? Kentucky isn't looking like much. Pretty sure the answer is no. Tealer was out for the LSU matches, which didn't help them. Kentucky and Marquette are good. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Sept 28, 2022 11:23:51 GMT -5
We gonna have this passing discussion again? Demps was able to save our butts against Florida despite the fact that her passing was suspect (remember, passing is specifically making first contact after the ball is served). Sheffield subbed her out in the back row during the fourth set purely because Franklin is a better passer and he wanted better passing in those three rotations where Demps wasn't helping out by playing front row. But I think that passing is actually not a problem long-term for us; at least, not for a team which runs a 6-2 (where you expect passing to suffer a bit for the lack of DS's). The passing can get patched up in a month or two, especially taking care of the seam between Franklin and GG (neither is a great passer but between the two of them they can be respectable and keep us in system the majority of the time). And if GG doesn't improve, then we will see Bramschrieber get a shot at Libero. I'm much more concerned about the fact that the setters don't seem to be able to run a good offense from good but not perfect passes/digs; that seems like something that may not be fixable, or could take years to develop. Jades current role in 6-2 isn't for the back row but she has held her own there overall I think. its funny how much shade Demps gets for as poor people say she is at passing, Orzol is a terrible server, and Gülce is a huge serving target ( has put up her share of poor 1st contacts). But you wouldn't know it reading this forum as a whole. After the Florida and Minnesota games I just don't think setting is good enough against the top teams and we will be left lacking the remainder of this season. It's not shade. Jade is not a good enough passer to be a starting OH on a top 16 team. The last time we had this argument, some guy came in with the stats from volleymetrics proving this. I don't subscribe to volleymetrics so can't do that. But every unbiased poster on here who has weighed in has said Orzol is a better passer than Franklin, and Franklin is a better passer than Demps. (I'm curious how Wrobel rates as a passer) I think Demps is great at what she does well. That happens to not include passing. Yet - she's young and didn't play that much club, maybe she comes back next year and passes 2.1 or something and breaks into the lineup. |
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Post by jackolantern on Sept 28, 2022 11:36:04 GMT -5
You're right, it's undoubtedly part of the normal rotation-substitution pattern, but that's my real point. The normal pattern involves Smrek standing on the sidelines too much so she's never able to get a rhythm going. So, do you want Smrek playing backrow? Or would you like the basic rules of volleyball changed for her? SMH... Why not try her in the back row? Smrek can certainly hit from the back row. Sheffield himself has also said that she has a great serve, but she never gets a chance to use it. What they're doing now isn't working, so why not change things up? |
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 28, 2022 11:40:39 GMT -5
We gonna have this passing discussion again? Demps was able to save our butts against Florida despite the fact that her passing was suspect (remember, passing is specifically making first contact after the ball is served). Sheffield subbed her out in the back row during the fourth set purely because Franklin is a better passer and he wanted better passing in those three rotations where Demps wasn't helping out by playing front row. But I think that passing is actually not a problem long-term for us; at least, not for a team which runs a 6-2 (where you expect passing to suffer a bit for the lack of DS's). The passing can get patched up in a month or two, especially taking care of the seam between Franklin and GG (neither is a great passer but between the two of them they can be respectable and keep us in system the majority of the time). And if GG doesn't improve, then we will see Bramschrieber get a shot at Libero. I'm much more concerned about the fact that the setters don't seem to be able to run a good offense from good but not perfect passes/digs; that seems like something that may not be fixable, or could take years to develop. Jades current role in 6-2 isn't for the back row but she has held her own there overall I think. its funny how much shade Demps gets for as poor people say she is at passing, Orzol is a terrible server, and Gülce is a huge serving target ( has put up her share of poor 1st contacts). But you wouldn't know it reading this forum as a whole. After the Florida and Minnesota games I just don't think setting is good enough against the top teams and we will be left lacking the remainder of this season. You sure have a viewpoint and like to make it known, over and over and over again. Demps cannot pass, hence Orzol passes. She cannot play libero, hence GG stays. Sha cannot block and tends not to hit as effectively in the front row, hence Franklin and Smrek. Not sure where you think she belongs, but by all means, keep advocating. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 28, 2022 14:47:04 GMT -5
So, do you want Smrek playing backrow? Or would you like the basic rules of volleyball changed for her? SMH... Why not try her in the back row? Smrek can certainly hit from the back row. Sheffield himself has also said that she has a great serve, but she never gets a chance to use it. What they're doing now isn't working, so why not change things up? I imagine because her defense back there isn't that good. That's what Demps brings to the BR. |
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 28, 2022 16:44:38 GMT -5
I will take this moment to remind everyone how close to "creative" the Badgers have been with their lineups on the pins for most of the Sheffield era, so, while we might not love where the Badgers are now, having Demps/Wrobel/Gregorski available as bench players or starters taking over a spot is REALLY comforting, all quibbles aside.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2022 17:05:09 GMT -5
Jades current role in 6-2 isn't for the back row but she has held her own there overall I think. its funny how much shade Demps gets for as poor people say she is at passing, Orzol is a terrible server, and Gülce is a huge serving target ( has put up her share of poor 1st contacts). But you wouldn't know it reading this forum as a whole. After the Florida and Minnesota games I just don't think setting is good enough against the top teams and we will be left lacking the remainder of this season. You sure have a viewpoint and like to make it known, over and over and over again. Demps cannot pass, hence Orzol passes. She cannot play libero, hence GG stays. Sha cannot block and tends not to hit as effectively in the front row, hence Franklin and Smrek. Not sure where you think she belongs, but by all means, keep advocating. And you like to provide your snarky take over and over and over again. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Sept 28, 2022 17:10:47 GMT -5
Why not try her in the back row? Smrek can certainly hit from the back row. Sheffield himself has also said that she has a great serve, but she never gets a chance to use it. What they're doing now isn't working, so why not change things up? I imagine because her defense back there isn't that good. That's what Demps brings to the BR. If Smrek makes a pro roster I think it is at opposite, and she would have to play 6 rotations. But with 15 subs available in the NCAA Women's college game, there is just zero reason not to sub her out for a better defensive option back there ... well, there would be one, that being that she could thump it from the back row so well that you keep her on for offense ... but right now she's barely even thumping it from the front row. Of course, in the 6-2 it's a moot point anyway because opposites get subbed off for setters when they head towards the back row anyway, but even in a 5-1 I just don't see her playing back row at Wisconsin. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 28, 2022 18:08:33 GMT -5
I imagine because her defense back there isn't that good. That's what Demps brings to the BR. If Smrek makes a pro roster I think it is at opposite, and she would have to play 6 rotations. But with 15 subs available in the NCAA Women's college game, there is just zero reason not to sub her out for a better defensive option back there ... well, there would be one, that being that she could thump it from the back row so well that you keep her on for offense ... but right now she's barely even thumping it from the front row. Of course, in the 6-2 it's a moot point anyway because opposites get subbed off for setters when they head towards the back row anyway, but even in a 5-1 I just don't see her playing back row at Wisconsin. The only time she would be left in the backrow is if she were playing middle and they left her in to serve. I vaguely remember her taking one or two swings out of the back row in that situation when they have let her serve. Vaguely. I may have dreamt it. |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 28, 2022 19:34:36 GMT -5
If Smrek makes a pro roster I think it is at opposite, and she would have to play 6 rotations. But with 15 subs available in the NCAA Women's college game, there is just zero reason not to sub her out for a better defensive option back there ... well, there would be one, that being that she could thump it from the back row so well that you keep her on for offense ... but right now she's barely even thumping it from the front row. Of course, in the 6-2 it's a moot point anyway because opposites get subbed off for setters when they head towards the back row anyway, but even in a 5-1 I just don't see her playing back row at Wisconsin. The only time she would be left in the backrow is if she were playing middle and they left her in to serve. I vaguely remember her taking one or two swings out of the back row in that situation when they have let her serve. Vaguely. I may have dreamt it. Boy, the number of sets she's played as a middle might be little more than single digits. Non-conference 2021, it would have been Rettke and Hart, and then after Hart was injured, there were maybe four matches before Smrek herself missed a couple weeks. And by then Robinson was a fixture in the middle. Once or twice non-conference they and each pair of the three play middle. And then the weekend at Northen Illinois and Maryland and Rutgers. Those would the only ones even possible for her to serve. The stat sheets show zero aces and zero errors for both years. Adding... and of course, for pretty much all of that, Izzy was the serving sub for Dana. Meaning Dana/Izzy was the serving middle. Maybe one of the spring matches? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2022 21:13:16 GMT -5
CapTimes volleyball podcast with Punzel, Sheffield, Hilley and Arias.
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Post by volleyball90 on Sept 29, 2022 10:41:40 GMT -5
Didn’t all the COVID seniors do a double lake jump? That depends on what you mean by "COVID senior". Hart and Bramschreiber jumped; Bramschreiber clearly is out of eligibility after 2022, Hart could actually apply for the "Kayla Caffey" seventh year, but will likely not do do. Boyer and Gregorski jumped. Both were 2019 freshmen, as were Ashburn and AnnaMac. All would have 2023 eligibility; Gregorski more, if she were to apply for medical hardship. Ashburn and AnnaMac did not jump. I was referring to the OG group of Rettke, Hilley, loberg etc. |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 29, 2022 11:23:52 GMT -5
That depends on what you mean by "COVID senior". Hart and Bramschreiber jumped; Bramschreiber clearly is out of eligibility after 2022, Hart could actually apply for the "Kayla Caffey" seventh year, but will likely not do do. Boyer and Gregorski jumped. Both were 2019 freshmen, as were Ashburn and AnnaMac. All would have 2023 eligibility; Gregorski more, if she were to apply for medical hardship. Ashburn and AnnaMac did not jump. I was referring to the OG group of Rettke, Hilley, loberg etc. You mean in the fall of 2020 and then again in 2021? I don't think anybody did a fall 2020 jump. (What's "OG"?) |
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Post by volleyball90 on Sept 29, 2022 11:59:27 GMT -5
I was referring to the OG group of Rettke, Hilley, loberg etc. You mean in the fall of 2020 and then again in 2021? I don't think anybody did a fall 2020 jump. (What's "OG"?) That's what I was wondering, wasn't sure if they did or didn't. OG is internet slang, refers to "original gangster" in this case, just meaning the first covid senior class. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 29, 2022 12:02:12 GMT -5
I will take this moment to remind everyone how close to "creative" the Badgers have been with their lineups on the pins for most of the Sheffield era, so, while we might not love where the Badgers are now, having Demps/Wrobel/Gregorski available as bench players or starters taking over a spot is REALLY comforting, all quibbles aside. Until Wrobel transfers |
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