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Post by Wiswell on Sept 29, 2022 12:48:36 GMT -5
I will take this moment to remind everyone how close to "creative" the Badgers have been with their lineups on the pins for most of the Sheffield era, so, while we might not love where the Badgers are now, having Demps/Wrobel/Gregorski available as bench players or starters taking over a spot is REALLY comforting, all quibbles aside. Until Wrobel transfers Yeah... |
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 29, 2022 13:17:48 GMT -5
I will take this moment to remind everyone how close to "creative" the Badgers have been with their lineups on the pins for most of the Sheffield era, so, while we might not love where the Badgers are now, having Demps/Wrobel/Gregorski available as bench players or starters taking over a spot is REALLY comforting, all quibbles aside. Until Wrobel transfers I mean if she demands a starting spot and she’s not earning it, then so be it. But why would she transfer if she took over a starting spot? |
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 29, 2022 13:20:39 GMT -5
Also, if I’m not mistaken, Robinson probably has to move to the middle next year. So a spot opens up on the right pin. Demps or Wrobel will have to take it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2022 13:34:16 GMT -5
A good way to get Wrobel on the court is at the expense of Caroline Crawford. Move Robinson back to middle and alternate Smrek and Wrobel every 3 rotations at RS.
Plus moving Robinson to middle boosts our thus far anemic middle attack sans the occasional slide to Hart.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 29, 2022 14:47:21 GMT -5
A good way to get Wrobel on the court is at the expense of Caroline Crawford. Move Robinson back to middle and alternate Smrek and Wrobel every 3 rotations at RS. Plus moving Robinson to middle boosts our thus far anemic middle attack sans the occasional slide to Hart. Honestly, I think the reduced amount of attacking from the middle may not be solved by moving Robinson there. At least, not unless we can pass and locate those quicks better. I feel like Robinson has been struggling with the latter even from the RS. She did really well recently getting set high out there, and that isn't going to happen in the middle. So I'm not sure the problem is the personnel. Also, CC brings a lot of other things that Robinson does not. Another thing, if Sheffield is really getting his setters to target the 8' line to keep his BR setters from running around too much, you won't be able to set quicks to the middle quicks easily on a pass to target. The BR attack becomes the middle attack. That's the thing about a 6-2, you might still have two or three options on a not so good pass. One reason Robison may have moved out to the pin was to make sure she was properly utilized as one of our most potent attackers. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Sept 29, 2022 14:57:18 GMT -5
I will take this moment to remind everyone how close to "creative" the Badgers have been with their lineups on the pins for most of the Sheffield era, so, while we might not love where the Badgers are now, having Demps/Wrobel/Gregorski available as bench players or starters taking over a spot is REALLY comforting, all quibbles aside. Until Wrobel transfers I feel like this subject is kind of a Volleytalk classic - people who want to stir the pot create a rumor that doesn't have a basis. Lots of people decided to go there in the Minnesota thread and now it's a rumor whose basis is the rumor itself. Could she transfer? Sure. Name anyone who's not starting and is a quality player, and that player could transfer - for that matter, starting doesn't prevent transferring. To the best I can tell, the only basis for this rumor is that possibility which happens to apply to everyone, and so I don't see a use for it (though during offseason when we don't have anything better to volleytalk about, sure, let's come back to this). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2022 15:40:25 GMT -5
A good way to get Wrobel on the court is at the expense of Caroline Crawford. Move Robinson back to middle and alternate Smrek and Wrobel every 3 rotations at RS. Plus moving Robinson to middle boosts our thus far anemic middle attack sans the occasional slide to Hart. Honestly, I think the reduced amount of attacking from the middle may not be solved by moving Robinson there. At least, not unless we can pass and locate those quicks better. I feel like Robinson has been struggling with the latter even from the RS. She did really well recently getting set high out there, and that isn't going to happen in the middle. So I'm not sure the problem is the personnel. Also, CC brings a lot of other things that Robinson does not. Another thing, if Sheffield is really getting his setters to target the 8' line to keep his BR setters from running around too much, you won't be able to set quicks to the middle quicks easily on a pass to target. The BR attack becomes the middle attack. That's the thing about a 6-2, you might still have two or three options on a not so good pass. One reason Robison may have moved out to the pin was to make sure she was properly utilized as one of our most potent attackers. Outside of being a decent server, (Robinson doesn't serve) and backup setter skills I'll take Robinson for blocking and quicks to the middle over Crawford. They have had how many matches so far and we still don't have an imposing presence in the middle?! In some early season matches Devyn would transition over to middle after Hart took a break but having a set here or there is nothing like building repetition that is needed with the new setters by playing significant minutes. In the middle. I believe that you dedicate those minutes to Robinson she rises the blocking and attacking to heights it just won't reach with C.C. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 29, 2022 15:55:14 GMT -5
I feel like this subject is kind of a Volleytalk classic - people who want to stir the pot create a rumor that doesn't have a basis. Lots of people decided to go there in the Minnesota thread and now it's a rumor whose basis is the rumor itself. Could she transfer? Sure. Name anyone who's not starting and is a quality player, and that player could transfer - for that matter, starting doesn't prevent transferring. To the best I can tell, the only basis for this rumor is that possibility which happens to apply to everyone, and so I don't see a use for it (though during offseason when we don't have anything better to volleytalk about, sure, let's come back to this). Okay. While I have a crystal ball, no need for it here. Franklin, Orzol and Smrek are sophomores. Wrobel can't redshirt. If she wants to see the court she either beats out one of those players or she transfers. Heck, even Demps is finding the court ahead of her. I don't need any special insight to see that she's likely not finding the court anytime soon. No talented outside sits on the bench for three years waiting when transferring has become so easy and commonplace. |
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Post by buckyupbuttercup on Sept 29, 2022 16:16:39 GMT -5
I feel like this subject is kind of a Volleytalk classic - people who want to stir the pot create a rumor that doesn't have a basis. Lots of people decided to go there in the Minnesota thread and now it's a rumor whose basis is the rumor itself. Could she transfer? Sure. Name anyone who's not starting and is a quality player, and that player could transfer - for that matter, starting doesn't prevent transferring. To the best I can tell, the only basis for this rumor is that possibility which happens to apply to everyone, and so I don't see a use for it (though during offseason when we don't have anything better to volleytalk about, sure, let's come back to this). Okay. While I have a crystal ball, no need for it here. Franklin, Orzol and Smrek are sophomores. Wrobel can't redshirt. If she wants to see the court she either beats out one of those players or she transfers. Heck, even Demps is finding the court ahead of her. I don't need any special insight to see that she's likely not finding the court anytime soon. No talented outside sits on the bench for three years waiting when transferring has become so easy and commonplace. Not exactly. Hart graduates, opening a starting spot. Devyn or Smrek move to the open middle. Assuming we stay 6-2 that opens a pin spot for Wrobel or Demps. Will one of those two transfer out - quite possibly. Plus, who knows if someone else transfers out or in. That's life in the new world. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 29, 2022 16:26:42 GMT -5
Okay. While I have a crystal ball, no need for it here. Franklin, Orzol and Smrek are sophomores. Wrobel can't redshirt. If she wants to see the court she either beats out one of those players or she transfers. Heck, even Demps is finding the court ahead of her. I don't need any special insight to see that she's likely not finding the court anytime soon. No talented outside sits on the bench for three years waiting when transferring has become so easy and commonplace. Not exactly. Hart graduates, opening a starting spot. Devyn or Smrek move to the open middle. Assuming we stay 6-2 that opens a pin spot for Wrobel or Demps. Will one of those two transfer out - quite possibly. Plus, who knows if someone else transfers out or in. That's life in the new world. I didn't say that was the only scenario but to think it's a rumor and just that is silly. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 29, 2022 16:39:59 GMT -5
Not exactly. Hart graduates, opening a starting spot. Devyn or Smrek move to the open middle. Assuming we stay 6-2 that opens a pin spot for Wrobel or Demps. Will one of those two transfer out - quite possibly. Plus, who knows if someone else transfers out or in. That's life in the new world. I didn't say that was the only scenario but to think it's a rumor and just that is silly. Isn’t it the very definition of a rumor? Anyway. Bucky’s remark is that they are here now. Wrobel isn’t transferring until the season is over. It will be interesting to see what happen this year. Demps has had an impact off the bench. Wrobel eventually could too. When have the badgers had such depth at the hitting position? Also we have had situations where someone broke into the starting lineup later in the year. Loberg comes to mind. And next year the lineup changes, maybe the system changes, she gets a DS and Wrobel could get her chance. With Jardine, I think it was right for her to go. She would not start and I don’t think she’d do well in this offense. She’s doing ok at Utah. Wrobel has a real chance to play. |
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Post by buckyupbuttercup on Sept 29, 2022 16:41:39 GMT -5
Not exactly. Hart graduates, opening a starting spot. Devyn or Smrek move to the open middle. Assuming we stay 6-2 that opens a pin spot for Wrobel or Demps. Will one of those two transfer out - quite possibly. Plus, who knows if someone else transfers out or in. That's life in the new world. I didn't say that was the only scenario but to think it's a rumor and just that is silly. I wouldn't use "rumor", I'd call it "speculation". In some cases, connecting the dots is easier than others. For example, I don't think it was hard to predict Jardine might want to look elsewhere. I'd say though that jardine would feel more blocked than Wrobel is. There will most likely be a starting spot opening next year, and in a 6-2, she aruably projects into it better than demps. |
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Post by pull3 on Sept 29, 2022 16:53:12 GMT -5
Wrobel transerring or not depends on how Sheffield's decision on next year's MB is. Maybe Gabby is replacing Hart, who knows?
I think Demps will continue to be a sub in either way.
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Post by badgerguru on Sept 29, 2022 17:07:44 GMT -5
I really wish Wrobel would see some court time, especially with a struggling Franklin. It actually doesn’t make any sense that we keep Wrobel benched & Franklin is not being as efficient as we need her.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 29, 2022 20:07:37 GMT -5
I really wish Wrobel would see some court time, especially with a struggling Franklin. It actually doesn’t make any sense that we keep Wrobel benched & Franklin is not being as efficient as we need her. My guess is that it has to do with passing. Franklin passes well, for the most part. There is no one to sub in for Wrobel in the back row with Boyer and Bramschreiber out and the limit on subs with the 6-2. If she can get that part of her game going, maybe she gets a look. |
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