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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 30, 2022 10:28:31 GMT -5
Problem is with LBSU is you are a mediocre academic school playing in the Big West! Hawaii is not the Hawaii of old and until you can get the bottom 5 teams in your conference to be remotely competitive Tyler might get this team to the tournament by finishing 1 or 2 in the Big West, but Elite 8's and Final Four's are going to be elusive. medicre academics hasn't been a big problem for Alabama in football or Gonzaga and others in basketball, and I'd disagree anyway they are mediocre, LB has programs that are well regarded for industry, and yes some areas better than others. winning will solve that problem. people can look at what detracts from a goal, or they can look at what LB has to sell. In terms of a location, and solid (and yes, it's not a research university) choices for academic majors, and great enviroment for Volleyball, LB will do just fine, and winning and being 1 or 2 in the Big West each year can be a plus, because it means recruits will be winning titles. The bottom five teams of the Big West will have nothing to do with Tyler's goals, any more than the bottom 2 of the Pac-12 or bottom 4 of the WCC detract. bottom line is when Tyler wins, those things will care of themselves. As it is, he's sold 4 solid transfers from BCS schools to come to Long Beach, despite the fact they knew they just finished 5th, that they don't rank in the top 50 of US News rankings, that they'll play UCR, blah blah blah. Why? Because they KNOW (or believe, and no reaason to doubt that) they'll get solid fan support, they'll get training and motivation at a level that is the BEST that they can get, they get a degree they can use (or a Master's that may supplement their undergrad) and that they're going to compete for championships and in the NCAAs. Now some people of course may not believe that, but apparently those that matter (his recruits) do.
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Post by volleyfan4321 on Jan 30, 2022 10:45:19 GMT -5
I like Tyler. I think LBSU will do well with Tyler as the coach. He knows the game well and will be a positive for the LBSU community and D1 volleyball.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 30, 2022 12:40:56 GMT -5
Problem is with LBSU is you are a mediocre academic school playing in the Big West! Hawaii is not the Hawaii of old and until you can get the bottom 5 teams in your conference to be remotely competitive Tyler might get this team to the tournament by finishing 1 or 2 in the Big West, but Elite 8's and Final Four's are going to be elusive. medicre academics hasn't been a big problem for Alabama in football or Gonzaga and others in basketball, and I'd disagree anyway they are mediocre, LB has programs that are well regarded for industry, and yes some areas better than others. winning will solve that problem. people can look at what detracts from a goal, or they can look at what LB has to sell. In terms of a location, and solid (and yes, it's not a research university) choices for academic majors, and great enviroment for Volleyball, LB will do just fine, and winning and being 1 or 2 in the Big West each year can be a plus, because it means recruits will be winning titles. The bottom five teams of the Big West will have nothing to do with Tyler's goals, any more than the bottom 2 of the Pac-12 or bottom 4 of the WCC detract. bottom line is when Tyler wins, those things will care of themselves. As it is, he's sold 4 solid transfers from BCS schools to come to Long Beach, despite the fact they knew they just finished 5th, that they don't rank in the top 50 of US News rankings, that they'll play UCR, blah blah blah. Why? Because they KNOW (or believe, and no reaason to doubt that) they'll get solid fan support, they'll get training and motivation at a level that is the BEST that they can get, they get a degree they can use (or a Master's that may supplement their undergrad) and that they're going to compete for championships and in the NCAAs. Now some people of course may not believe that, but apparently those that matter (his recruits) do. Gonzaga's academics are significantly better. And Alabama is, well, Alabama. And they play in the SEC. And both football and men's basketball are revenue sports with extremely lucrative professional leagues after college (Jalen Suggs is on a four-year $30 million contract as a rookie--he should make more on just this one contract than basically any volleyball player has ever made in their career), so academics isn't as important there anyway. And with NIL, players at those schools can make a lot of money while still in college, as evidenced by Bryce Young collecting nearly $1 million before even starting). I'm fairly optimistic about Long Beach's chances under Hildebrand (they have some plusses), but you just can't compare them to Alabama football or Gonzaga basketball (i.e. perennial national title contenders). At this point, Long Beach should just be trying to get into the tournament and compete for the Big West title.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 30, 2022 12:44:57 GMT -5
Not quite understanding the negativity. Nice video. Coach Hildebrand has a message. We have a history. We've got some great people coaching. We want to play ball. I did think it was a nice video. That is a seriously impressive trophy case that Long Beach has.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 30, 2022 13:02:15 GMT -5
Not quite understanding the negativity. Nice video. Coach Hildebrand has a message. We have a history. We've got some great people coaching. We want to play ball. I did think it was a nice video. That is a seriously impressive trophy case that Long Beach has. . I like where he’s headed. I think he learned a lot from Nebraska public relations. He knows that’s a big part of building a program these days. I wish them the best.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 30, 2022 13:09:18 GMT -5
medicre academics hasn't been a big problem for Alabama in football or Gonzaga and others in basketball, and I'd disagree anyway they are mediocre, LB has programs that are well regarded for industry, and yes some areas better than others. winning will solve that problem. people can look at what detracts from a goal, or they can look at what LB has to sell. In terms of a location, and solid (and yes, it's not a research university) choices for academic majors, and great enviroment for Volleyball, LB will do just fine, and winning and being 1 or 2 in the Big West each year can be a plus, because it means recruits will be winning titles. The bottom five teams of the Big West will have nothing to do with Tyler's goals, any more than the bottom 2 of the Pac-12 or bottom 4 of the WCC detract. bottom line is when Tyler wins, those things will care of themselves. As it is, he's sold 4 solid transfers from BCS schools to come to Long Beach, despite the fact they knew they just finished 5th, that they don't rank in the top 50 of US News rankings, that they'll play UCR, blah blah blah. Why? Because they KNOW (or believe, and no reaason to doubt that) they'll get solid fan support, they'll get training and motivation at a level that is the BEST that they can get, they get a degree they can use (or a Master's that may supplement their undergrad) and that they're going to compete for championships and in the NCAAs. Now some people of course may not believe that, but apparently those that matter (his recruits) do. Gonzaga's academics are significantly better. And Alabama is, well, Alabama. And they play in the SEC. And both football and men's basketball are revenue sports with extremely lucrative professional leagues after college (Jalen Suggs is on a four-year $30 million contract as a rookie--he should make more on just this one contract than basically any volleyball player has ever made in their career), so academics isn't as important there anyway. And with NIL, players at those schools can make a lot of money while still in college, as evidenced by Bryce Young collecting nearly $1 million before even starting). I'm fairly optimistic about Long Beach's trajectory under Hildebrand (they have some plusses), but you just can't compare them to Alabama football or Gonzaga basketball (i.e. perennial national title contenders). At this point, Long Beach should just be trying to get into the tournament and compete for the Big West title. I was comparing academically. Gonzaga's acceptance rate is 73%, i.e. not very selective. And academic ratings are skewed by research dollars and not necessarily the specific quality and value of a an undergrad degree. Long Beach has a 42% acceptance rate, and yes I get anybody can pick a number of statistics, but the acceptance rate does provide o just one indication. just a quick look, Gonzaga rated #79 for national univeristies, LB rated #12 for regional Master's, a bit of apples and oranges. Point is neither Alabama or Gonzaga for undergrads are some academic 'powerhouses' which is going to give one some significantly better education than Long Beach will. For that matter, it's all degree dependent anyway, and all students have to beware of schools steering them to 'soft' degrees that will go nowhere after graduation. what matters is the student-athlete have guideance to an education that will lead to career they want. The 'prestige' factor of a university is becoming less and less a factor in hiring. Industry wants skills, and hires skills. And yeah, there's a prestige thing to with a school selection. Gonzaga is a 'destiination' school vs. Long Beach a 'commuter school'. Yeah, perceptions can be a challenge for a coach to overcome in recruiting a kid (actually a parent). Bryce YOung's 'salary' isn't relevent to anything in Volleyball, for the most part; at the same time, NIL will become interesting, and I'd agree if LB wants to parlay any new success with Tyler, they better get with it for providing sound and good guideance towards NIL, and I'm not convinced for the vast majority of Student-athletes that the time spent on NIL money generation (which will basically be a side job) is not better spent on just concentrating on the studies in the long run, when one already has a full-ride schollie. it's like really, we're gonna educate everybody to become 'an influencer' lol. THe NIL thing is bound to spawn a bunch of con artists/agents and for many chasing a pipe dream.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 30, 2022 13:18:15 GMT -5
Gonzaga's academics are significantly better. And Alabama is, well, Alabama. And they play in the SEC. And both football and men's basketball are revenue sports with extremely lucrative professional leagues after college (Jalen Suggs is on a four-year $30 million contract as a rookie--he should make more on just this one contract than basically any volleyball player has ever made in their career), so academics isn't as important there anyway. And with NIL, players at those schools can make a lot of money while still in college, as evidenced by Bryce Young collecting nearly $1 million before even starting). I'm fairly optimistic about Long Beach's trajectory under Hildebrand (they have some plusses), but you just can't compare them to Alabama football or Gonzaga basketball (i.e. perennial national title contenders). At this point, Long Beach should just be trying to get into the tournament and compete for the Big West title. I was comparing academically. Gonzaga's acceptance rate is 73%, i.e. not very selective. And academic ratings are skewed by research dollars and not necessarily the specific quality and value of a an undergrad degree. Long Beach has a 42% acceptance rate, and yes I get anybody can pick a number of statistics, but the acceptance rate does provide o just one indication. just a quick look, Gonzaga rated #79 for national univeristies, LB rated #12 for regional Master's, a bit of apples and oranges. Point is neither Alabama or Gonzaga for undergrads are some academic 'powerhouses' which is going to give one some significantly better education than Long Beach will. For that matter, it's all degree dependent anyway, and all students have to beware of schools steering them to 'soft' degrees that will go nowhere after graduation. what matters is the student-athlete have guideance to an education that will lead to career they want. The 'prestige' factor of a university is becoming less and less a factor in hiring. Industry wants skills, and hires skills. And yeah, there's a prestige thing to with a school selection. Gonzaga is a 'destiination' school vs. Long Beach a 'commuter school'. Yeah, perceptions can be a challenge for a coach to overcome in recruiting a kid (actually a parent). Bryce YOung's 'salary' isn't relevent to anything in Volleyball, for the most part; at the same time, NIL will become interesting, and I'd agree if LB wants to parlay any new success with Tyler, they better get with it for providing sound and good guideance towards NIL, and I'm not convinced for the vast majority of Student-athletes that the time spent on NIL money generation (which will basically be a side job) is not better spent on just concentrating on the studies in the long run, when one already has a full-ride schollie. it's like really, we're gonna educate everybody to become 'an influencer' lol. THe NIL thing is bound to spawn a bunch of con artists/agents and for many chasing a pipe dream. I agree with a lot of this. As someone who hires writers, the last thing I care about is if they went to a research university or not. I care if they know how to write. There are some schools (e.g. Northwestern) that have particularly good writing programs. But really, writing samples are the best gauge (I did once hire a freelance writer because they had a degree from Yale, but I was actually a little disappointed by the quality of their work and didn't renew the contract). Like I said, I'm pretty optimistic about Long Beach. I just don't think we should be comparing them to perennial contenders in revenue sports at this stage. Realistically, their short-term goal should just be to get into the tournament on a semi-regular basis. If they want to get to the Sweet 16 and beyond, that probably means that they'll have to find a way to win road matches against Stanford or UCLA or USC, but they can cross that bridge when they get there.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 30, 2022 13:31:49 GMT -5
I was comparing academically. Gonzaga's acceptance rate is 73%, i.e. not very selective. And academic ratings are skewed by research dollars and not necessarily the specific quality and value of a an undergrad degree. Long Beach has a 42% acceptance rate, and yes I get anybody can pick a number of statistics, but the acceptance rate does provide o just one indication. just a quick look, Gonzaga rated #79 for national univeristies, LB rated #12 for regional Master's, a bit of apples and oranges. Point is neither Alabama or Gonzaga for undergrads are some academic 'powerhouses' which is going to give one some significantly better education than Long Beach will. For that matter, it's all degree dependent anyway, and all students have to beware of schools steering them to 'soft' degrees that will go nowhere after graduation. what matters is the student-athlete have guideance to an education that will lead to career they want. The 'prestige' factor of a university is becoming less and less a factor in hiring. Industry wants skills, and hires skills. And yeah, there's a prestige thing to with a school selection. Gonzaga is a 'destiination' school vs. Long Beach a 'commuter school'. Yeah, perceptions can be a challenge for a coach to overcome in recruiting a kid (actually a parent). Bryce YOung's 'salary' isn't relevent to anything in Volleyball, for the most part; at the same time, NIL will become interesting, and I'd agree if LB wants to parlay any new success with Tyler, they better get with it for providing sound and good guideance towards NIL, and I'm not convinced for the vast majority of Student-athletes that the time spent on NIL money generation (which will basically be a side job) is not better spent on just concentrating on the studies in the long run, when one already has a full-ride schollie. it's like really, we're gonna educate everybody to become 'an influencer' lol. THe NIL thing is bound to spawn a bunch of con artists/agents and for many chasing a pipe dream. I agree with a lot of this. As someone who hires writers, the last thing I care about is if they went to a research university or not. I care if they know how to write. There are some schools (e.g. Northwestern) that have particularly good writing programs. But really, writing samples are the best gauge (I did once hire a freelance writer because they had a degree from Yale, but I was actually a little disappointed by the quality of their work and didn't renew the contract). Like I said, I'm pretty optimistic about Long Beach. I just don't think we should be comparing them to perennial contenders in revenue sports at this stage. Realistically, their short-term goal should just be to get into the tournament on a semi-regular basis. If they want to get to the Sweet 16 and beyond, that probably means that they'll have to find a way to win road matches against Stanford or UCLA or USC, but they can cross that bridge when they get there. totally agree, it's ok to have ambitious goals, and the immediate is to make a distinct improvement in consistency from last year and there's no question the goal is to win teh Big West and get to the NCAAs, next year, there's no bones about it. The conventional wisdom is NIL should benefit the big boys, and it might and the top football/basketball athletes will get some dollars. However, for a school like LB, it's also an opportunity to have it's own NIL niche. Now, the obsticle is the AD having enough sophistication to leverage NIL for the school's best athletes, s so a 4 or 5 star athlete can be induced to go and stay at LB where they'll be a big fish in a small pond in a huge market area, but also stand out in that niche. LB can't be a USC or UCLA, but there is a brand that can sell. I think in part it's why LB made an attractive offer for Tyler. They are at least trying to establish, build upon & improve that identity in VOlleyball, where they have something that can compete better and less uphill than say Basketball. how well they do that remains to be seen.
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Post by Boom! on Jan 30, 2022 14:51:12 GMT -5
I was comparing academically. Gonzaga's acceptance rate is 73%, i.e. not very selective. And academic ratings are skewed by research dollars and not necessarily the specific quality and value of a an undergrad degree. Long Beach has a 42% acceptance rate, and yes I get anybody can pick a number of statistics, but the acceptance rate does provide o just one indication. just a quick look, Gonzaga rated #79 for national univeristies, LB rated #12 for regional Master's, a bit of apples and oranges. Point is neither Alabama or Gonzaga for undergrads are some academic 'powerhouses' which is going to give one some significantly better education than Long Beach will. For that matter, it's all degree dependent anyway, and all students have to beware of schools steering them to 'soft' degrees that will go nowhere after graduation. what matters is the student-athlete have guideance to an education that will lead to career they want. The 'prestige' factor of a university is becoming less and less a factor in hiring. Industry wants skills, and hires skills. And yeah, there's a prestige thing to with a school selection. Gonzaga is a 'destiination' school vs. Long Beach a 'commuter school'. Yeah, perceptions can be a challenge for a coach to overcome in recruiting a kid (actually a parent). Bryce YOung's 'salary' isn't relevent to anything in Volleyball, for the most part; at the same time, NIL will become interesting, and I'd agree if LB wants to parlay any new success with Tyler, they better get with it for providing sound and good guideance towards NIL, and I'm not convinced for the vast majority of Student-athletes that the time spent on NIL money generation (which will basically be a side job) is not better spent on just concentrating on the studies in the long run, when one already has a full-ride schollie. it's like really, we're gonna educate everybody to become 'an influencer' lol. THe NIL thing is bound to spawn a bunch of con artists/agents and for many chasing a pipe dream. I agree with a lot of this. As someone who hires writers, the last thing I care about is if they went to a research university or not. I care if they know how to write. There are some schools (e.g. Northwestern) that have particularly good writing programs. But really, writing samples are the best gauge (I did once hire a freelance writer because they had a degree from Yale, but I was actually a little disappointed by the quality of their work and didn't renew the contract). Like I said, I'm pretty optimistic about Long Beach. I just don't think we should be comparing them to perennial contenders in revenue sports at this stage. Realistically, their short-term goal should just be to get into the tournament on a semi-regular basis. If they want to get to the Sweet 16 and beyond, that probably means that they'll have to find a way to win road matches against Stanford or UCLA or USC, but they can cross that bridge when they get there. Long Beach is a much better school than you perceive, then. It usually receives more applications than any other California State University system campus. And, despite the system-wide rules regulating and/or mandating admissions requirements (which were designed to provide California residents with access to good quality, public education), it has leveraged it's popularity to implement creative ways to both strengthen it's admissions criteria and ensure access. For example, it has designated many majors as "impacted" which allow it to increase admissions requirements for those specific majors. At the same time, it has agreements with school districts in its immediate vicinity to ensure that high school students within its designated service area can attend and not be excluded by enhanced criteria. Long Beach will never appear in the US News top rankings because it is by law and design not a Tier 1 research University, and therefore, doesn't compete in that category. That doesn't prevent it from providing excellent research opportunities and experience in research, and it ranks quite highly in fact in the number of students it graduates who pursue and obtain graduate degrees. On the volleyball side, there is no reason to believe that it can't be a perennial recipient of a tournament bid, at least theoretically. Hawai'i is doing just that, and there is room for another Big West team to consistently receive a bid, or it can achieve it simply by beating Hawai'i. As far as the volleyball legacy issues goes, unfortunately, that ship has sailed or that train has left the station. But a better metaphor for the legacy is that of a old sports car whose tires are flat, paint is chipped, and engine is rusty. It's in need of a complete restoration. The issue with how the restoration is going isn't about Tyler per se, but how the restoration is going to take place going forward. We all know he hasn't been a head coach, but more importantly, the hires that have been announced may sound great on paper individually, but the final unit seems to be lacking some significant experience(s).
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 30, 2022 15:31:42 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of this. As someone who hires writers, the last thing I care about is if they went to a research university or not. I care if they know how to write. There are some schools (e.g. Northwestern) that have particularly good writing programs. But really, writing samples are the best gauge (I did once hire a freelance writer because they had a degree from Yale, but I was actually a little disappointed by the quality of their work and didn't renew the contract). Like I said, I'm pretty optimistic about Long Beach. I just don't think we should be comparing them to perennial contenders in revenue sports at this stage. Realistically, their short-term goal should just be to get into the tournament on a semi-regular basis. If they want to get to the Sweet 16 and beyond, that probably means that they'll have to find a way to win road matches against Stanford or UCLA or USC, but they can cross that bridge when they get there. Long Beach is a much better school than you perceive, then. It usually receives more applications than any other California State University system campus. And, despite the system-wide rules regulating and/or mandating admissions requirements (which were designed to provide California residents with access to good quality, public education), it has leveraged it's popularity to implement creative ways to both strengthen it's admissions criteria and ensure access. For example, it has designated many majors as "impacted" which allow it to increase admissions requirements for those specific majors. At the same time, it has agreements with school districts in its immediate vicinity to ensure that high school students within its designated service area can attend and not be excluded by enhanced criteria. Long Beach will never appear in the US News top rankings because it is by law and design not a Tier 1 research University, and therefore, doesn't compete in that category. That doesn't prevent it from providing excellent research opportunities and experience in research, and it ranks quite highly in fact in the number of students it graduates who pursue and obtain graduate degrees. On the volleyball side, there is no reason to believe that it can't be a perennial recipient of a tournament bid, at least theoretically. Hawai'i is doing just that, and there is room for another Big West team to consistently receive a bid, or it can achieve it simply by beating Hawai'i. As far as the volleyball legacy issues goes, unfortunately, that ship has sailed or that train has left the station. But a better metaphor for the legacy is that of a old sports car whose tires are flat, paint is chipped, and engine is rusty. It's in need of a complete restoration. The issue with how the restoration is going isn't about Tyler per se, but how the restoration is going to take place going forward. We all know he hasn't been a head coach, but more importantly, the hires that have been announced may sound great on paper individually, but the final unit seems to be lacking some significant experience(s). A large number of applications is not necessarily indicative of a school's academic quality. Cost of attendance is a major factor that affects application numbers (and acceptance rates). And you don't necessarily have to be a tier-1 research university to show up in the top 100 of the USNWR rankings. Anyway, I don't want to get sidetracked too much on the academics. I agree that Long Beach should be able to compete in the Big West.
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Post by thebaytocsulb on Jan 30, 2022 19:30:56 GMT -5
Yeah San Diego St and Long Beach are really tough to get into these days. Many of my students have not been accepted with GPA's over 3.5. Back when I went there all you needed was a pulse to get in.
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Post by 2021mdneb on Feb 2, 2022 18:04:04 GMT -5
Late to the party here but congrats Tyler. Had the pleasure of meeting him once and was a class act. I'd rather be dead in California than alive in Nebraska. With the crime rate in many California cities, you may get your wish.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 2, 2022 18:33:08 GMT -5
Late to the party here but congrats Tyler. Had the pleasure of meeting him once and was a class act. I'd rather be dead in California than alive in Nebraska. With the crime rate in many California cities, you may get your wish. don't know, ever watch the movie Nebraska, some questionable characters they have in those parts
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 2, 2022 19:36:46 GMT -5
With the crime rate in many California cities, you may get your wish. don't know, ever watch the movie Nebraska, some questionable characters they have in those parts wasn’t there a movie called Californication?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Feb 2, 2022 20:17:48 GMT -5
don't know, ever watch the movie Nebraska, some questionable characters they have in those parts wasn’t there a movie called Californication? TV series with David Duchovny. But this does beg the existential question: if one is in Nebraska, are they truly alive? (I kid).
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