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Post by uofaGRAD on Jul 13, 2022 18:33:36 GMT -5
Not to make this something it’s not, but as a country, we have GOT to start coaching passing seriously at the upper club level. And then those skills should be honed in on even MORE by college coaches, who we should get “in the know” of exactly how the USANT trains passing. Either that, or we need some seriously more in depth USAV trainings at all the age groups. Just tired of so many great players being held back by arguably the most fundamental skill:/
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 13, 2022 18:35:09 GMT -5
Not to make this something it’s not, but as a country, we have GOT to start coaching passing seriously at the upper club level. And then those skills should be honed in on even MORE by college coaches, who we should get “in the know” of exactly how the USANT trains passing. Either that, or we need some seriously more in depth USAV trainings at all the age groups. club/ncaa isnt designed to develop pro players. its not going to happen unless someone takes the initiative on their own. |
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Post by donut on Jul 13, 2022 18:41:39 GMT -5
I think it helped (for some reason) that Larson played so much in Russia (where her job was probably to pass everything while in Kazan). I’m not sure Russia contributed to Larson’s passing success significantly. It definitely contributed to her offensive growth though. Watching her and Gamova and their 1-2 punch around 2012 still brings me joy. |
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Jul 13, 2022 18:45:03 GMT -5
Not to make this something it’s not, but as a country, we have GOT to start coaching passing seriously at the upper club level. And then those skills should be honed in on even MORE by college coaches, who we should get “in the know” of exactly how the USANT trains passing. Either that, or we need some seriously more in depth USAV trainings at all the age groups. club/ncaa isnt designed to develop pro players. its not going to happen unless someone takes the initiative on their own. I think Hugh kinda does that at Minnesota. He has been known to like good 6 rotation outside hitters and have developed some great outsides through his years with the Gophers. I feel like if he can, he would totally play without DS subbing. He did that with the Stanford-MN NCAA tournament match this past year without using a single sub throughout the match. |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jul 13, 2022 18:48:42 GMT -5
Not to make this something it’s not, but as a country, we have GOT to start coaching passing seriously at the upper club level. And then those skills should be honed in on even MORE by college coaches, who we should get “in the know” of exactly how the USANT trains passing. Either that, or we need some seriously more in depth USAV trainings at all the age groups. Just tired of so many great players being held back by arguably the most fundamental skill:/ This is the wrong take. If you want to start developing international passers then USA needs to change the ball we compete with at the junior/collegiate level. There’s very few national team programs with better passing technique than USA, but other programs have seniors with infinitely better touch and read on the ball because they’ve competed with it for so much longer. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jul 13, 2022 18:49:53 GMT -5
Not to make this something it’s not, but as a country, we have GOT to start coaching passing seriously at the upper club level. And then those skills should be honed in on even MORE by college coaches, who we should get “in the know” of exactly how the USANT trains passing. Either that, or we need some seriously more in depth USAV trainings at all the age groups. club/ncaa isnt designed to develop pro players. its not going to happen unless someone takes the initiative on their own. that’s kind of what I’m suggesting needs to be the change🙃 it’s not gonna happen, but I 1000% think that the reason why Nebraska and some others recruit so well. They have proven results of developing pro/NT players in a way others just don’t. More teams have got to follow and I think they will when they realize that every coveted prospect is committing to the tip of the iceberg programs |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 13, 2022 18:52:46 GMT -5
In other changes that will never happen, it would be nice if they switched the ball
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jul 13, 2022 18:53:14 GMT -5
Not to make this something it’s not, but as a country, we have GOT to start coaching passing seriously at the upper club level. And then those skills should be honed in on even MORE by college coaches, who we should get “in the know” of exactly how the USANT trains passing. Either that, or we need some seriously more in depth USAV trainings at all the age groups. Just tired of so many great players being held back by arguably the most fundamental skill:/ This is the wrong take. If you want to start developing international passers then USA needs to change the ball we compete with at the junior/collegiate level. There’s very few national team programs with better passing technique than USA, but other programs have seniors with infinitely better touch and read on the ball because they’ve competed with it for so much longer. I’m saying we have to train that technique at the levels BELOW the NT. Less and less players are heading into college (and out of college) with the ability to pass at a pro level |
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Jul 13, 2022 18:59:22 GMT -5
I think it helped (for some reason) that Larson played so much in Russia (where her job was probably to pass everything while in Kazan). I’m not sure Russia contributed to Larson’s passing success significantly. It definitely contributed to her offensive growth though. Watching her and Gamova and their 1-2 punch around 2012 still brings me joy. Kind of off topic but does anyone else remember when Larson played with Kazan, and it was in playoff match (I think) in the 5th set where she absolutely ROOFED her opponent and screamed her head off at the opposing team and the announcer was like "that's too much" or something? I've been trying to find that video for ages and I think of it often lol |
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Post by donut on Jul 13, 2022 19:05:01 GMT -5
I’m not sure Russia contributed to Larson’s passing success significantly. It definitely contributed to her offensive growth though. Watching her and Gamova and their 1-2 punch around 2012 still brings me joy. Kind of off topic but does anyone else remember when Larson played with Kazan, and it was in playoff match (I think) in the 5th set where she absolutely ROOFED her opponent and screamed her head off at the opposing team and the announcer was like "that's too much" or something? I've been trying to find that video for ages and I think of it often lol I can’t look up the exact video, but if you search “Larson screams Volero Zurich” I’m sure you’ll find it. It was the semis match against Volero Zurich, at the FIVB Club World Championships in 2014. IIRC, Larson and Gamova were pissed about some ref calls. Wasn’t in the fifth because it was just a 4-set match. |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jul 13, 2022 19:09:06 GMT -5
This is the wrong take. If you want to start developing international passers then USA needs to change the ball we compete with at the junior/collegiate level. There’s very few national team programs with better passing technique than USA, but other programs have seniors with infinitely better touch and read on the ball because they’ve competed with it for so much longer. I’m saying we have to train that technique at the levels BELOW the NT. Less and less players are heading into college (and out of college) with the ability to pass at a pro level I don’t believe that’s true either. Since when have we been blessed with more than 2 truly elite passing talents a quad? I don’t think our juniors are coming into college any less SKILLED than their international counterparts at 18, the problem is they’re vastly more inexperienced by the time they’re 22. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jul 13, 2022 19:20:47 GMT -5
I’m saying we have to train that technique at the levels BELOW the NT. Less and less players are heading into college (and out of college) with the ability to pass at a pro level I don’t believe that’s true either. Since when have we been blessed with more than 2 truly elite passing talents a quad? I don’t think our juniors are coming into college any less SKILLED than their international counterparts at 18, the problem is they’re vastly more inexperienced by the time they’re 22. i personally think they are (at arizona at least, our pins from Turkey and The Netherlands were MUCH better passers coming in than our American ones). either way we’re in agreement that by the time they reach 22, they’re behind their international counterparts. we need SOMETHING to try and balance that out. I’d be ecstatic with some more in depth USAV trainings with the most promising college athletes every summer |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jul 13, 2022 19:32:07 GMT -5
I don’t believe that’s true either. Since when have we been blessed with more than 2 truly elite passing talents a quad? I don’t think our juniors are coming into college any less SKILLED than their international counterparts at 18, the problem is they’re vastly more inexperienced by the time they’re 22. i personally think they are (at arizona at least, our pins from Turkey and The Netherlands were MUCH better passers coming in than our American ones). either way we’re in agreement that by the time they reach 22, they’re behind their international counterparts. we need SOMETHING to try and balance that out. I’d be ecstatic with some more in depth USAV trainings with the most promising college athletes every summer Yes, it does appear we’re in agreement there! I think the USAV NTDP quarterly camps are a good step in the right direction. |
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Jul 13, 2022 19:44:41 GMT -5
I just wish the NCAA would just use the same ball as the pros do internationally.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 13, 2022 19:52:56 GMT -5
Italy uses Molten too
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