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Post by bbg95 on Jan 3, 2022 0:47:56 GMT -5
Perhaps (certainly) you are unable to keep up. She played against top international competition at VNL and her stats were pretty comparable to experienced middles. Her stats were lackluster at best. She was slower than molasses to the pins and basically non existent as a blocker. Plus, like Avid mentioned, the intl game is light years faster than NCAA play. She should have gone pro already. She made her choice. Ya'll just don't get all shocked and shaken IF she doesn't break onto the A team until she improves in all the areas Avid mentioned. The team are Olympic Champions now. The bar has been raised. There are great college athletes in all sports who can't make the transition to the faster professional game (at least at the highest level). If Rettke just doesn't have the athleticism to make it at the next level, then her decision to stay in college another year is even more justified. I'm not saying Rettke can't make it, but if that turns out to be the case, then going pro a year earlier wouldn't have made the difference. Now, if she is good enough to make the transition, than maybe the extra year causes her to miss out on Paris. But she's only 22. She can try again for Los Angeles. And she still has her title and NPOY award. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 0:50:13 GMT -5
You clearly don't know me very well if you feel the need to come at me like that. But you do you honey. I'll do me with a generous sprinkling of facts. Still waiting for yours. đ And I really don't care to know you but thanks. There is no arguing competition ramps up when all teams send A squads, but VNL had many. Also no arguing 442 isn't great. I never mentioned specifically her hitting stats. I merely was backing up Avid's view point that her serve, speed to the pins and overall level of play seems to have regressed slightly from what I have watched of her in the past two seasons. I love the kid and hope she does great in the pro scene. I also think that she and Butler will compliment Chi and Haleigh well. I just think she has more of a learning curve and room to grow than some seem to think on this forum. |
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Post by basil on Jan 3, 2022 0:52:13 GMT -5
Her stats were lackluster at best. She was slower than molasses to the pins and basically non existent as a blocker. Plus, like Avid mentioned, the intl game is light years faster than NCAA play. She should have gone pro already. She made her choice. Ya'll just don't get all shocked and shaken IF she doesn't break onto the A team until she improves in all the areas Avid mentioned. The team are Olympic Champions now. The bar has been raised. She had sixth most points on the team...as a middle sharing time. She hit 442. Stop talking sh*t, particularly if you know literally nothing a quick Google search could have provided. middle âblockerâ. offense is great, especially when teams havent seen you, but her blocking was just not great. Dana herself said that she felt too slow to the pins and found the game hard to read. the stats reflected that. spending an extra year in college wonât help that. I have confidence sheâll get there though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 1:03:43 GMT -5
I will be shocked if ANY current/recent NCAA grads make the A team this shortened quad tbh. The core of the team has never been stronger and that's IF Larson and Akinradewo do indeed retire from the NT. With them I think the team is quite formidable and will be tough to beat. We could see this same core group of Olympians dominate all the way to Paris 2024. No one new is breaking through except for maybe in the middle. Rettke and Butler have some adjusting to do before they are even in the same conversation as Ogbogu and Washington. Hell, even Tapp and Dixon are still probably in the picture. Adams is still playing pro too. I would love to see more of these young players at the 2022 VNL but with the WCH's later in the season, it's probably not happening until 2023, which gives everyone a few pro seasons to iron out the kinks. The future certainly looks bright for the USAWNT.
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Post by Disc808 on Jan 3, 2022 1:54:30 GMT -5
Is Lanier as an opposite off the table? Sheâs good, but I donât see her moving ahead of Thompson or Drewâs and samedy coming in will make that tougher Fwiw, the question wasnât about her cracking the top 2 or even 3 spots. Theyâll need players to fill out rosters⌠|
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 3, 2022 2:09:07 GMT -5
Sheâs good, but I donât see her moving ahead of Thompson or Drewâs and samedy coming in will make that tougher Fwiw, the question wasnât about her cracking the top 2 or even 3 spots. Theyâll need players to fill out rosters⌠Oh I thought u meant as a starter. Iâm sure sheâll be invited with how sheâs playing and we donât really have a 3rd opp at the moment do we? I donât think cuttino is gonna cut it lol, Iâd bet Lanier will be in the gym this summer in some capacity |
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Post by sleepy on Jan 3, 2022 2:10:55 GMT -5
Samedy needs to improve her serve this is my most pressing âconcernâ with her game. she doesnât miss it a ton but itâs probably a free ball at the next level. her technique is good tho, so it wouldnât be that huge of adjustment to just serve it harder lol |
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Post by Hisbots on Jan 3, 2022 2:16:00 GMT -5
JWO was also exception setting OOS. Is Fleck as talented in this department? I haven't watched enough of her. Pretty much every libero on a top international team is extremely good out of system setting. You can only be so good at it ya know? At that level they are all very good at putting up more than hittable balls to the pins. While jwo is very good at out of system setting, itâs hard to not be really good at that when ur at that level bc itâs really not a very difficult skill Delete your account. |
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Post by taxidea on Jan 3, 2022 2:18:33 GMT -5
This is interesting dialogue re: Dana. As a fan, I still refuse to accept the vitriol that the mere mention of her name and prospects generate on VT. Itz a shame that she doesnât fit the paradigm some envision. In the end, it wonât matter. What will matter is what Karch believes can help the NT achieve itz goals. Karch has been effusive about her level of play in the past, including VNL as a 19 year old. Though clearly, Danaâs skills and performance may not be enough to impress Karch going forward, as many prognosticators are suggesting. But Iâm not going to pretend that such a young, powerful and singular talent does not have a chance, and invite the embarrassment, if she ends up getting invited and makes the roster. Peace.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 3, 2022 2:21:15 GMT -5
She had sixth most points on the team...as a middle sharing time. She hit 442. Stop talking sh*t, particularly if you know literally nothing a quick Google search could have provided. middle âblockerâ. offense is great, especially when teams havent seen you, but her blocking was just not great. Dana herself said that she felt too slow to the pins and found the game hard to read. the stats reflected that. spending an extra year in college wonât help that. I have confidence sheâll get there though. This! I remember Dana saying that too about how the biggest adjustment she had to make in 2019 was getting outside to the pins for blocking. People forget that itâs also harder not only because balls are set faster, but also because sets are more deceptive. I remember Dana saying how impressed she was watching Wolosz from the bench because of how neutral of a setter she was. The fact Washington is always talking about and working on new technique for reading and blocking footwork shows how difficult and time consuming such a skill is. So I agree with all the posters who have been saying Rettke would have benefited more in terms of her game if she went pro earlier. Nevertheless, I donât think she mad a wrong decision for getting her NCAA championship. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 3, 2022 2:43:37 GMT -5
Pretty much every libero on a top international team is extremely good out of system setting. You can only be so good at it ya know? At that level they are all very good at putting up more than hittable balls to the pins. While jwo is very good at out of system setting, itâs hard to not be really good at that when ur at that level bc itâs really not a very difficult skill Delete your account. Iâm donât care no one will convince me that bump setting out of system balls is a hard skill to be good at itâs one of the most basic skills you learn as a libero. Sure some may be slightly better than others but in my opinion that is not a wow factor for me and should be a given if youâre starting on a national team. Iâm sorry if itâs difficult for you but please explain to me what is so hard about it |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 3:32:08 GMT -5
This is interesting dialogue re: Dana. As a fan, I still refuse to accept the vitriol that the mere mention of her name and prospects generate on VT. Itz a shame that she doesnât fit the paradigm some envision. In the end, it wonât matter. What will matter is what Karch believes can help the NT achieve itz goals. Karch has been effusive about her level of play in the past, including VNL as a 19 year old. Though clearly, Danaâs skills and performance may not be enough to impress Karch going forward, as many prognosticators are suggesting. But Iâm not going to pretend that such a young, powerful and singular talent does not have a chance, and invite the embarrassment, if she ends up getting invited and makes the roster. Peace. I don't think what your reading is vitriol. People posting on here do cheer for her and are fans. I think people are just giving an honest assessment of what she needs to work on at the next level. There is just no alternative to playing in the best professional leagues around the world. Girls who are in the pros develop faster than what the NCAA offers... by a large margin, so it pays to start early. |
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Post by newbeach on Jan 3, 2022 4:19:05 GMT -5
I'll do me with a generous sprinkling of facts. Still waiting for yours. đ And I really don't care to know you but thanks. There is no arguing competition ramps up when all teams send A squads, but VNL had many. Also no arguing 442 isn't great. I never mentioned specifically her hitting stats. I merely was backing up Avid's view point that her serve, speed to the pins and overall level of play seems to have regressed slightly from what I have watched of her in the past two seasons. I love the kid and hope she does great in the pro scene. I also think that she and Butler will compliment Chi and Haleigh well. I just think she has more of a learning curve and room to grow than some seem to think on this forum. I think the point was that she could have benefited from playing a year of pro versus playing NCAA. There is little doubt that she would have progressed further playing pro. This is not to say that she wonât be successful at the next level but rather she didnât progress as she might have had she played pro. It would seem that winning a National Championship was her priority and if so, mission accomplished. Haleigh and Chi are continuing to progress on the international stage and are likely the front runners for Paris at this time. Weâll have to see how the NCAA players fare and what kind of progress they make in this shortened âquadâ. |
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Post by newbeach on Jan 3, 2022 4:30:52 GMT -5
This is interesting dialogue re: Dana. As a fan, I still refuse to accept the vitriol that the mere mention of her name and prospects generate on VT. Itz a shame that she doesnât fit the paradigm some envision. In the end, it wonât matter. What will matter is what Karch believes can help the NT achieve itz goals. Karch has been effusive about her level of play in the past, including VNL as a 19 year old. Though clearly, Danaâs skills and performance may not be enough to impress Karch going forward, as many prognosticators are suggesting. But Iâm not going to pretend that such a young, powerful and singular talent does not have a chance, and invite the embarrassment, if she ends up getting invited and makes the roster. Peace. I don't think what your reading is vitriol. People posting on here do cheer for her and are fans. I think people are just giving an honest assessment of what she needs to work on at the next level. There is just no alternative to playing in the best professional leagues around the world. Girls who are in the pros develop faster than what the NCAA offers... by a large margin, so it pays to start early. Am I the only one who had to Google vitriol? đ Thanks for that! đ |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 3, 2022 11:29:56 GMT -5
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