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Post by noblesol on Nov 22, 2022 15:40:34 GMT -5
Trolling, done with the intent of making the fanbase look composed of highly biased repugnants/unknowledgable fools, is why I use the block feature. Typically the worst of them choose a user name that is 180 degrees out from what they are really about. Responding to the trolling just amplifies it.
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Post by wahinefan on Nov 22, 2022 15:52:48 GMT -5
True, but that is where the problems lay. These other BWC teams may have 1 or 2 talented players, just not enough of them, to challenge the Wahine for the top spot in the BWC. There are also, I would say 3, or 4 really good Head Coaches now in the BWC, hopefully they will stay with their respective teams for quite a while. Would love to see the BWC get 2 or 3 teams into the NCAA Tournament once again. That would mean, the Wahine Team is being challenged, in the BWC. by 2024 it will be a lot more competitive and even in my opinion. Hawaii loses almost their entire roaster and gaining a ton of new players. Amber is a HUGE part of the reason wahine win, without her it’s gonna take a while. Strictly my opinion but will be nice to see how it pans out. True, Hawaii will lose quite a lot of players, after the 2023 season, especially their GOTO player, Amber Igiede. But Robyn will not have to start rebuilding the Wahine Team all over again, she will have her 2 Setters back, 3 Outside Hitters/Opposite back, along with her Libero. Robyn will only have to replace her 3 Middles, that she will be losing. Robyn has 2 committed Middles for 2024, but 2024 will be their 1st competition at the D1 level. I am thinking, Robyn will bring in a 2024 transfer Middle with D1 experience, to offset that D1 inexperience. Not to worried about the Defensive Specialist positions, there are a ton of them around, especially in Hawaii. It will be interesting to see if Calyn, Stella, or Tali, can show signs, in 2023, that they can be that GOTO player, in 2024. Once Amber Igiede uses up her eligibility. Calyn has shown signs she can be that GOTO player, but she has to be a lot more consistent. That should come with more experience. If one of these 3 players does show that they can be that GOTO player, to replace Amber, as that player, then the Wahine Offense will just change from being Inside/Outside, to Outside/Inside. It will be interesting to see which of these 3 players steps up next season. Knowing 2 of them will be true Freshmen. |
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Post by wahinefan on Nov 22, 2022 15:59:48 GMT -5
True, but that is where the problems lay. These other BWC teams may have 1 or 2 talented players, just not enough of them, to challenge the Wahine for the top spot in the BWC. There are also, I would say 3, or 4 really good Head Coaches now in the BWC, hopefully they will stay with their respective teams for quite a while. Would love to see the BWC get 2 or 3 teams into the NCAA Tournament once again. That would mean, the Wahine Team is being challenged, in the BWC. by 2024 it will be a lot more competitive and even in my opinion. Hawaii loses almost their entire roaster and gaining a ton of new players. Amber is a HUGE part of the reason wahine win, without her it’s gonna take a while. Strictly my opinion but will be nice to see how it pans out. Hopefully, you are right. That would only help the Wahine Team and the BWC, as a whole. I am quite sure the Head Coaches of UCSB, LBSU, and Cal Poly, and maybe a couple of others, will be able to bring in the talent to upgrade, and make the BWC competitive. But that will have to be seen in the next couple of years, if they are able to do so. |
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Post by beachgrad on Nov 22, 2022 20:38:12 GMT -5
by 2024 it will be a lot more competitive and even in my opinion. Hawaii loses almost their entire roaster and gaining a ton of new players. Amber is a HUGE part of the reason wahine win, without her it’s gonna take a while. Strictly my opinion but will be nice to see how it pans out. Hopefully, you are right. That would only help the Wahine Team and the BWC, as a whole. I am quite sure the Head Coaches of UCSB, LBSU, and Cal Poly, and maybe a couple of others, will be able to bring in the talent to upgrade, and make the BWC competitive. But that will have to be seen in the next couple of years, if they are able to do so. There is no argument that Hawaii has been the best program in the conference for some time but the gap between the rainbows and the other three top teams is not as large as you believe. Next year will probably be the best in sometime for Hawaii so enjoy it while it lasts. Right now the conference needs to focus on getting more teams tournament eligible. I would also love to see a conference tournament. |
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Post by wahinefan on Nov 22, 2022 20:58:05 GMT -5
Hopefully, you are right. That would only help the Wahine Team and the BWC, as a whole. I am quite sure the Head Coaches of UCSB, LBSU, and Cal Poly, and maybe a couple of others, will be able to bring in the talent to upgrade, and make the BWC competitive. But that will have to be seen in the next couple of years, if they are able to do so. There is no argument that Hawaii has been the best program in the conference for some time but the gap between the rainbows and the other three top teams is not as large as you believe. Next year will probably be the best in sometime for Hawaii so enjoy it while it lasts. Right now the conference needs to focus on getting more teams tournament eligible. I would also love to see a conference tournament. I am not saying, the gap between Hawaii and the other 3 or 4 teams is a large on, but it is there. Like I mentioned, I do like the young Head Coaches that those 3 or 4 teams have. The 3 or 4 schools need to make sure they hold on to these Head Coaches. I am definite they will bring in the talent to challenge the Wahine Team. At least I hope so, cause if they do not, Hawaii running away with the BWC Title year after year, does not truly help them. Hawaii needs to be challenged in the BWC. Not only by those 3 or 4 teams, but those bottom level teams need to start improving BIG TIME. So that the BWC can get more then just 1 team into the Tournament. Right now, there is Hawaii, then those 3 or 4 teams, followed by those bottom feeding teams, which is bringing the Conference down and keeping it to a 1 Tournament team. |
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Post by DiggUH on Nov 22, 2022 23:00:08 GMT -5
UCSB playing without Farmer, Froley, Wilson, & McIntosh but still taking care of business vs. CSUN. I guess they're being rested for the Hawai'i match.
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Post by wahinefan on Nov 22, 2022 23:07:08 GMT -5
I am more interested to know where the UCSB fans are. The arena is nearly empty, like "by invitation only" people in the stands. Come Friday, thinking there may be more Hawaii fans, then UCSB fans in the arena. UCSB needs to do something with the attendance, cause this is quite embarrassing. What top notch player would want to play in a nearly empty arena.
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Post by wahinefan on Nov 22, 2022 23:15:33 GMT -5
Good God, you can put the UCSB and CSUN players and coaches together, and I am thinking they outnumber the people in the stands.
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Post by raian13 on Nov 22, 2022 23:15:49 GMT -5
Hopefully, you are right. That would only help the Wahine Team and the BWC, as a whole. I am quite sure the Head Coaches of UCSB, LBSU, and Cal Poly, and maybe a couple of others, will be able to bring in the talent to upgrade, and make the BWC competitive. But that will have to be seen in the next couple of years, if they are able to do so. There is no argument that Hawaii has been the best program in the conference for some time but the gap between the rainbows and the other three top teams is not as large as you believe. Next year will probably be the best in sometime for Hawaii so enjoy it while it lasts. Right now the conference needs to focus on getting more teams tournament eligible. I would also love to see a conference tournament. Definitely more competitive and nationally ranked teams will help our conference as a whole. It makes for more exciting seasons and gets the conference more respect. I miss the times when BW is 6th or 7th best in the country. I hope other programs up their recruiting because historically they can get those talented prospects esp. in the west coast. |
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Post by 2left on Nov 23, 2022 0:35:53 GMT -5
Hopefully, you are right. That would only help the Wahine Team and the BWC, as a whole. I am quite sure the Head Coaches of UCSB, LBSU, and Cal Poly, and maybe a couple of others, will be able to bring in the talent to upgrade, and make the BWC competitive. But that will have to be seen in the next couple of years, if they are able to do so. There is no argument that Hawaii has been the best program in the conference for some time but the gap between the rainbows and the other three top teams is not as large as you believe. Next year will probably be the best in sometime for Hawaii so enjoy it while it lasts. Right now the conference needs to focus on getting more teams tournament eligible. I would also love to see a conference tournament. Amber does throw off the calculus, but I’m not even sure Hawaii has the most talented team this season. Poly, Beach and UCSB all have a lot of talent. If you were doing a draft, think of how many OHs would come off the board before both Caylen and Riley are gone, how many middles before Tiff, how many opposites before Brae. I think the last “talent gap” was pre-injury 2016 when Hawaii (all arguably) had the best opposite and best player in Nikki Taylor, the two best middles in Emily Maglio and Annie Mitchum, the best libero in Savanna Kahakai, and a fantastic freshman setter in Norene Iosea. But then our seniors transferred, Torrey Van Winden graduated, and the balance of power in the conference quickly shifted. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 23, 2022 1:13:25 GMT -5
There is no argument that Hawaii has been the best program in the conference for some time but the gap between the rainbows and the other three top teams is not as large as you believe. Next year will probably be the best in sometime for Hawaii so enjoy it while it lasts. Right now the conference needs to focus on getting more teams tournament eligible. I would also love to see a conference tournament. Amber does throw off the calculus, but I’m not even sure Hawaii has the most talented team this season. Poly, Beach and UCSB all have a lot of talent. If you were doing a draft, think of how many OHs would come off the board before both Caylen and Riley are gone, how many middles before Tiff, how many opposites before Brae. I think the last “talent gap” was pre-injury 2016 when Hawaii (all arguably) had the best opposite and best player in Nikki Taylor, the two best middles in Emily Maglio and Annie Mitchum, the best libero in Savanna Kahakai, and a fantastic freshman setter in Norene Iosea. But then our seniors transferred, Torrey Van Winden graduated, and the balance of power in the conference quickly shifted. Hawaii has the best team. This is a cohesive unit that plays well together. It’s not always about talent. Although next season, they’ll have the most talented team based on who’s returning and who they’re bringing in. That said, there’s a lot of talent in the Big West. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 23, 2022 1:15:49 GMT -5
Good God, you can put the UCSB and CSUN players and coaches together, and I am thinking they outnumber the people in the stands. Can you shut up? Your incessant babbling is annoying. Stop disrespecting the other teams in the conference! |
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Post by 2left on Nov 23, 2022 3:00:14 GMT -5
Amber does throw off the calculus, but I’m not even sure Hawaii has the most talented team this season. Poly, Beach and UCSB all have a lot of talent. If you were doing a draft, think of how many OHs would come off the board before both Caylen and Riley are gone, how many middles before Tiff, how many opposites before Brae. I think the last “talent gap” was pre-injury 2016 when Hawaii (all arguably) had the best opposite and best player in Nikki Taylor, the two best middles in Emily Maglio and Annie Mitchum, the best libero in Savanna Kahakai, and a fantastic freshman setter in Norene Iosea. But then our seniors transferred, Torrey Van Winden graduated, and the balance of power in the conference quickly shifted. Hawaii has the best team. This is a cohesive unit that plays well together. It’s not always about talent. Although next season, they’ll have the most talented team based on who’s returning and who they’re bringing in. That said, there’s a lot of talent in the Big West. I agree with you and beachgrad. I was actually responding to the person several quotes back who was saying how big a talent gap there is. One key player transfers out of Hawaii, and one first team all P5 player transfers into another BW team, and that gap would be gone. I had a typo in my original post - it should have said “Torrey Van Winden transferred in.” The TVW transfer really shook things up. |
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Post by hwnstunner on Nov 23, 2022 3:36:03 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to the BWC next year. Hawaii, UCSB, Long Beach, UC Irvine and UC Davis return a lot of talent. I'm hoping Cal Poly can replace Maia and Meredith, but they lose the most talent from the top BWC teams. Hopefully Cal Poly will be good next year too.
What it'll come down to for all these teams is schedule tough in the preseason and WIN. A few more wins for UCSB, LBSU, and Cal Poly this year could have vastly changed their RPI and resume. Hawaii as well, altho their RPI is pretty solid as of this week.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Nov 23, 2022 13:10:38 GMT -5
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