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Post by HawaiiVB on Dec 9, 2022 19:36:56 GMT -5
Dumb. “Let’s give other teams another chance to beat Hawaii and make the tournament.” Hawaii has only missed 2 NCAA tournaments in its history- in 1992 during an injury plagued season and in 2020 when the Big West canceled its season. Hawaii would have made the tournament as an at-large this season if they didn’t get the auto bid so what is every other team’s excuse? And if the tournament is not in Hawaii, it’s even more stupid. We don’t need a tourney to know which Big West team is the best. ok, so let's get rid of the MVB and Beach VB tournaments, since we don't need those to determine who the best team is!! which means last year in MVB, Long Beach was the best team!! right?! oh, but then we had a conf tournament oh, that's right, they held a Big West conference tournament and Hawaii got that auto-bid! I just love these types of arguments about who is the best team the point in a regular season is to determine a conference champ (the best team). teh point in a conf tournament is to determine an auto-bid (like Hawaii did last year in the MVB tournament). Imagine last year (after Hawaii had lost twice to Ball State, + other losses) if there was no Big West tournament, and Hawaii didn't make the NCAAs because in the BWCT Hawaii got to get the auto-bid (which may have gone to Penn State otherwise). then the 'best team' at the end of year, which was Hawaii would NOT have had the opportunity to get in and play for a NC this is so fun reading all the reasons a BWCT is no good for WVB, yet apparently is good for MVB and Beach VB, lol funny as heck!!! I know, to satisfy the Hawaii 'mafia'. we can have a BWCT, but it has to be in Hawaii every year, if Hawaii wins the regular season & #1 seed, Hawaii gets the auto-bid, and if by some fat chance, Hawaii finishes lower than 6th, they get a bye in the tournament anyway and that other 6th seed, doesn't get to play. that should satisfy the mafia!! Apples to oranges. For MVB, there is not enough teams to go around. Playing a tournament makes sense. As for BVB, a new sport emerging into a major one for Women. Same as the MVB. Not enough participation all around. There's even a push for collegiate MBVB to become a thing. If the BW was smart, they may want to pounce on that too. With WVB, you have to much participation so you have less opportunity to reach the national tournament. The BW should bring everybody up instead of pushing some down. Hawai'i or Cal Poly, or UCSB could tank the regular season to preserve the players and go all out during the tournament. That would save on injuries and fatigue. |
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Post by Timeless on Dec 9, 2022 19:38:47 GMT -5
Might need a poll for this one. Lots of mixed feelings on this. Reading some of these comments made me realize that this doesn't help or hurt Hawaii so I'm pretty neutral on it right now. I do still prefer the older format though.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 9, 2022 19:39:35 GMT -5
ok, so let's get rid of the MVB and Beach VB tournaments, since we don't need those to determine who the best team is!! which means last year in MVB, Long Beach was the best team!! right?! oh, but then we had a conf tournament oh, that's right, they held a Big West conference tournament and Hawaii got that auto-bid! I just love these types of arguments about who is the best team the point in a regular season is to determine a conference champ (the best team). teh point in a conf tournament is to determine an auto-bid (like Hawaii did last year in the MVB tournament). Imagine last year (after Hawaii had lost twice to Ball State, + other losses) if there was no Big West tournament, and Hawaii didn't make the NCAAs because in the BWCT Hawaii got to get the auto-bid (which may have gone to Penn State otherwise). then the 'best team' at the end of year, which was Hawaii would NOT have had the opportunity to get in and play for a NC this is so fun reading all the reasons a BWCT is no good for WVB, yet apparently is good for MVB and Beach VB, lol funny as heck!!! I know, to satisfy the Hawaii 'mafia'. we can have a BWCT, but it has to be in Hawaii every year, if Hawaii wins the regular season & #1 seed, Hawaii gets the auto-bid, and if by some fat chance, Hawaii finishes lower than 6th, they get a bye in the tournament anyway and that other 6th seed, doesn't get to play. that should satisfy the mafia!! Apples to oranges. For MVB, there is not enough teams to go around. Playing a tournament makes sense. As for BVB, a new sport emerging into a major one for Women. Same as the MVB. Not enough participation all around. There's even a push for collegiate MBVB to become a thing. If the BW was smart, they may want to pounce on that too. With WVB, you have to much participation so you have less opportunity to reach the national tournament. The BW should bring everybody up instead of pushing some down. Hawai'i or Cal Poly, or UCSB could tank the regular season to preserve the players and go all out during the tournament. That would save on injuries and fatigue. lmfao, for teams 'tanking' the regular season to go all out during teh tournament unbelievable!!!! |
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Post by beachgrad on Dec 9, 2022 19:45:59 GMT -5
Apples to oranges. For MVB, there is not enough teams to go around. Playing a tournament makes sense. As for BVB, a new sport emerging into a major one for Women. Same as the MVB. Not enough participation all around. There's even a push for collegiate MBVB to become a thing. If the BW was smart, they may want to pounce on that too. With WVB, you have to much participation so you have less opportunity to reach the national tournament. The BW should bring everybody up instead of pushing some down. Hawai'i or Cal Poly, or UCSB could tank the regular season to preserve the players and go all out during the tournament. That would save on injuries and fatigue. lmfao, for teams 'tanking' the regular season to go all out during teh tournament unbelievable!!!! Let them tank the regular season as they might miss the tourney all together lol Some Hawaii fans claim that their WVB program is head and shoulders above everyone else but then complain about the injustice on every thing. This will not hurt Hawaii and will benefit the conference. Sorry something was enacted that may help the overall conference and should be immaterial to the vastly superior rainbows. Man, I usually do not post this junk but some of the posts are something else. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Dec 9, 2022 19:49:17 GMT -5
Dumb. “Let’s give other teams another chance to beat Hawaii and make the tournament.” Hawaii has only missed 2 NCAA tournaments in its history- in 1992 during an injury plagued season and in 2020 when the Big West canceled its season. Hawaii would have made the tournament as an at-large this season if they didn’t get the auto bid so what is every other team’s excuse? And if the tournament is not in Hawaii, it’s even more stupid. We don’t need a tourney to know which Big West team is the best. ok, so let's get rid of the MVB and Beach VB tournaments, since we don't need those to determine who the best team is!! which means last year in MVB, Long Beach was the best team!! right?! oh, but then we had a conf tournament oh, that's right, they held a Big West conference tournament and Hawaii got that auto-bid! I just love these types of arguments about who is the best team the point in a regular season is to determine a conference champ (the best team). teh point in a conf tournament is to determine an auto-bid (like Hawaii did last year in the MVB tournament). Imagine last year (after Hawaii had lost twice to Ball State, + other losses) if there was no Big West tournament, and Hawaii didn't make the NCAAs because in the BWCT Hawaii got to get the auto-bid (which may have gone to Penn State otherwise). then the 'best team' at the end of year, which was Hawaii would NOT have had the opportunity to get in and play for a NC this is so fun reading all the reasons a BWCT is no good for WVB, yet apparently is good for MVB and Beach VB, lol funny as heck!!! I know, to satisfy the Hawaii 'mafia'. we can have a BWCT, but it has to be in Hawaii every year, if Hawaii wins the regular season & #1 seed, Hawaii gets the auto-bid, and if by some fat chance, Hawaii finishes lower than 6th, they get a bye in the tournament anyway and that other 6th seed, doesn't get to play. that should satisfy the mafia!! We’re not talking about Mens Volleyball or Beach Volleyball. |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 9, 2022 19:50:25 GMT -5
ok, so let's get rid of the MVB and Beach VB tournaments, since we don't need those to determine who the best team is!! which means last year in MVB, Long Beach was the best team!! right?! oh, but then we had a conf tournament oh, that's right, they held a Big West conference tournament and Hawaii got that auto-bid! I just love these types of arguments about who is the best team the point in a regular season is to determine a conference champ (the best team). teh point in a conf tournament is to determine an auto-bid (like Hawaii did last year in the MVB tournament). Imagine last year (after Hawaii had lost twice to Ball State, + other losses) if there was no Big West tournament, and Hawaii didn't make the NCAAs because in the BWCT Hawaii got to get the auto-bid (which may have gone to Penn State otherwise). then the 'best team' at the end of year, which was Hawaii would NOT have had the opportunity to get in and play for a NC this is so fun reading all the reasons a BWCT is no good for WVB, yet apparently is good for MVB and Beach VB, lol funny as heck!!! I know, to satisfy the Hawaii 'mafia'. we can have a BWCT, but it has to be in Hawaii every year, if Hawaii wins the regular season & #1 seed, Hawaii gets the auto-bid, and if by some fat chance, Hawaii finishes lower than 6th, they get a bye in the tournament anyway and that other 6th seed, doesn't get to play. that should satisfy the mafia!! Apples to oranges. For MVB, there is not enough teams to go around. Playing a tournament makes sense. As for BVB, a new sport emerging into a major one for Women. Same as the MVB. Not enough participation all around. There's even a push for collegiate MBVB to become a thing. If the BW was smart, they may want to pounce on that too. With WVB, you have to much participation so you have less opportunity to reach the national tournament. The BW should bring everybody up instead of pushing some down. Hawai'i or Cal Poly, or UCSB could tank the regular season to preserve the players and go all out during the tournament. That would save on injuries and fatigue. 'Laying low' until the tournament isn't a viable strategy until the #1 and #2 seeds have been determined, and #3 through #6 are confident they'll make the tournament. Most years, that type of certainty won't exist, or until maybe the last week. If it were obvious and 'effective', it would probably lead to rule changes and program tarnishment. Not good for school reputation or future recruiting. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Dec 9, 2022 19:52:14 GMT -5
lmfao, for teams 'tanking' the regular season to go all out during teh tournament unbelievable!!!! Let them tank the regular season as they might miss the tourney all together lol Some Hawaii fans claim that their WVB program is head and shoulders above everyone else but then complain about the injustice on every thing. This will not hurt Hawaii and will benefit the conference. Sorry something was enacted that may help the overall conference and should be immaterial to the vastly superior rainbows. Man, I usually do not post this junk but some of the posts are something else. Hawaii has missed only 2 NCAA tournaments in its history, an injury plagued year and in 2020 when the Big West cancelled the season. They have been able to make the NCAA tournament whether they won the automatic bid or not so what is everyone else’s excuse.? A Big West tournament doesn’t benefit Hawaii at all. The people supporting it are those who can’t break Hawaii’s grip on the conference during the conference season. |
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Post by beachgrad on Dec 9, 2022 19:54:40 GMT -5
Let them tank the regular season as they might miss the tourney all together lol Some Hawaii fans claim that their WVB program is head and shoulders above everyone else but then complain about the injustice on every thing. This will not hurt Hawaii and will benefit the conference. Sorry something was enacted that may help the overall conference and should be immaterial to the vastly superior rainbows. Man, I usually do not post this junk but some of the posts are something else. Hawaii has missed only 2 NCAA tournaments in its history, an injury plagued year and in 2020 when the Big West cancelled the season. They have been able to make the NCAA tournament whether they won the automatic bid or not so what is everyone else’s excuse.? A Big West tournament doesn’t benefit Hawaii at all. I stated it benefits the overall conference with little effect on Hawaii, as your data indicates. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Dec 9, 2022 19:56:47 GMT -5
Hawaii has missed only 2 NCAA tournaments in its history, an injury plagued year and in 2020 when the Big West cancelled the season. They have been able to make the NCAA tournament whether they won the automatic bid or not so what is everyone else’s excuse.? A Big West tournament doesn’t benefit Hawaii at all. I stated it benefited the overall conference with little effect on Hawaii, as your data indicates. Yeah, at Hawaii’s expense having to play additional conference matches just to get the automatic bid. That’s not a little effect to Hawaii thing. |
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Post by beachgrad on Dec 9, 2022 19:59:10 GMT -5
I stated it benefited the overall conference with little effect on Hawaii, as your data indicates. Yeah, at Hawaii’s expense having to play additional matches just to get the automatic birth That they earned by being the best team over the long run. I believe it was clearly posted that the regular season would be reduced by two to accommodate the top seeded teams two additional matches if they made the final. No more wear and tear based on additional matches. Your are really drilling down to try and find a negative. |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 9, 2022 20:02:05 GMT -5
I stated it benefited the overall conference with little effect on Hawaii, as your data indicates. Yeah, at Hawaii’s expense having to play additional conference matches just to get the automatic bid. That’s not a little effect to Hawaii thing. We go from 20 reg. season conf. matches, to 18 reg. conf. season matches, with two more tournament matches if #1 or #2 seed, or three more if the #3-#6. So, at most, one more conf. match with the tournament. Overall, if we make the tournament, most years it should have benefical effect on team RPI. And the majority of the conference playing fewer conference matches, with more opportunity for NC matches, should benefit conf. RPI and top team resumes. |
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Post by gr8lakes on Dec 9, 2022 20:06:14 GMT -5
The only year Hawaii doesn't make the NCAA without winning a conference tournament is probably 2021. They got at large bids in 2017 and 2018 and would have gotten an at large this year without winning the tournament.
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Post by soljah808 on Dec 9, 2022 20:06:21 GMT -5
My issue isn't so much the tournament but if they will still make Hawaii play back to back matches??? I seen multiple teams during conference season get a day off or even play one match during the week and one during the weekend. Why is it scheduled like that for Hawaii?
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 9, 2022 20:12:32 GMT -5
The Big West has been a mainly one bid conference for some time now. A tournament gives 5 teams something to hope for at the end of the season rather than certain knowledge that their season is over 2-3 weeks before that. At most, it will occasionally give the BW two teams in the tourney rather when one on those occasions where an upset occurs. But this does nothing to address the actual problem which is the weakness at the bottom half of the conference and the inability of the mid to upper tier of the conference to improve their play, scheduling, RPI and results. So, yay for participation ribbons, but what about a real plan for strengthening the Conference in a sport where it has real history and possibility for still being relevant. If anyone really needs to understand the impact, just look at all the BW sports that already have conference tournaments. It’s one bid for most of them, and particularly obvious in MBB despite the fact that the BW focused its efforts and priorities on basketball.
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Post by raian13 on Dec 9, 2022 20:13:18 GMT -5
Yeah, at Hawaii’s expense having to play additional matches just to get the automatic birth That they earned by being the best team over the long run. I believe it was clearly posted that the regular season would be reduced by two to accommodate the top seeded teams two additional matches if they made the final. No more wear and tear based on additional matches. Your are really drilling down to try and find a negative. The top team should get an automatic bid to the conference championship then.. Let the second down to sixth battle it out to face the leader. |
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