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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 9, 2022 20:25:38 GMT -5
I've got an easy solution to placate the Hawaii mafia.
let's just put in the Big West charter Hawaii gets the auto-bid every year.
No matter what the conference does, it'll 'screw' Hawaii lol in the eyes of the Hawaii mafia.
putting the 'Waaahhh' in Wahine
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Post by noblesol on Dec 9, 2022 20:27:53 GMT -5
The Big West has been a mainly one bid conference for some time now. A tournament gives 5 teams something to hope for at the end of the season rather than certain knowledge that their season is over 2-3 weeks before that. At most, it will occasionally give the BW two teams in the tourney rather when one on those occasions where an upset occurs. But this does nothing to address the actual problem which is the weakness at the bottom half of the conference and the inability of the mid to upper tier of the conference to improve their play, scheduling, RPI and results. So, yay for participation ribbons, but what about a real plan for strengthening the Conference in a sport where it has real history and possibility for still being relevant. If anyone really needs to understand the impact, just look at all the BW sports that already have conference tournaments. It’s one bid for most of them, and particularly obvious in MBB despite the fact that the BW focused its efforts and priorities on basketball. There's about a four to five standard deviation in strength difference between the tippy top of BWC WVB and the bottom cellar dwellar. And it's been consistently that bad for decades. |
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Post by raian13 on Dec 9, 2022 20:28:07 GMT -5
I've got an easy solution to placate the Hawaii mafia. let's just put in the Big West charter Hawaii gets the auto-bid every year. No matter what the conference does, it'll 'screw' Hawaii lol in the eyes of the Hawaii mafia. putting the 'Waaahhh' in Wahine Hawaii has earned each and every automatic bid they have gotten in the past. You’re obviously salivating for a post-season run here. Tell coach Tyler to do better. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 9, 2022 20:36:00 GMT -5
I've got an easy solution to placate the Hawaii mafia. let's just put in the Big West charter Hawaii gets the auto-bid every year. No matter what the conference does, it'll 'screw' Hawaii lol in the eyes of the Hawaii mafia. putting the 'Waaahhh' in Wahine Hawaii has earned each and every automatic bid they have gotten in the past. You’re obviously salivating for a post-season run here. Tell coach Tyler to do better. lol, Tyler did do better. make huge improvements in Year 1 i find it funny Hawaii fans tell other schools to do better. like,why not run your program as if the other schools don't matter. I assume the bottom half (or more) of the Big West I simply assume does not have the wherewithal (Structural or otherwise) to 'improve'. does Fresno State and Boise beg on Hawaii to improve their football team constantly? lol 'Waaaahhh', a conference tournament is un-fair. it would be hilarious if next year Hawaii finishes 2nd or 3rd or whatever and then wins the BWCT. of course then there will be some other perceived 'slight' to moan about. |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 9, 2022 20:40:03 GMT -5
I've got an easy solution to placate the Hawaii mafia. let's just put in the Big West charter Hawaii gets the auto-bid every year. No matter what the conference does, it'll 'screw' Hawaii lol in the eyes of the Hawaii mafia. putting the 'Waaahhh' in Wahine I get your consternation. But group character assassination isn't even good through the net smack talk. Or rally much worthwhile support. More than a few Hawaii fans have already expressed acceptance or willingness to see the tournament work. There are still some devil in the detail issues with the 18 game reg. conf. season schedule, and as volleyguy expressed, the tournament doesn't solve the 1-bid conference issue if the bottom of the conference stays pathetically weak. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 9, 2022 20:51:56 GMT -5
I've got an easy solution to placate the Hawaii mafia. let's just put in the Big West charter Hawaii gets the auto-bid every year. No matter what the conference does, it'll 'screw' Hawaii lol in the eyes of the Hawaii mafia. putting the 'Waaahhh' in Wahine I get your consternation. But group character assassination isn't even good through the net smack talk. Or rally much worthwhile support. More than a few Hawaii fans have already expressed acceptance or willingness to see the tournament work. There are still some devil in the detail issues with the 18 game reg. conf. season schedule, and as volleyguy expressed, the tournament doesn't solve the 1-bid conference issue if the bottom of the conference stays pathetically weak. I do not understand the fixation with focusing on the bottom of the conference. There is NOTHING one can do about it, other than bolting for another conference. Wan't to join the WAC? The Mtn West? (where teams are trying to wink wink at the Big12 or Pac-10/11?), the WCC? hey turn Hawaii into a Jesuit school and maybe the WCC will take Hawaii!!! Of course the tournament doesn't solve a 1 bid issue. It's designed to INCREASE competition and generate interest for the top schools!! that's good!! It DOES INCREASE the chances of multi-bid, whatever probability you want to give it. HOW IS THAT BAD!!! oh, it's bad because of some segment of Hawaii paranoia that xxyyzz is always 'out to get them' with every decision lol. yeah, it's fun poking fun, sorry, but it is funny at the knee-jerk reactions! solving the 1 bid issues has NOTHING to do with the bottom of the conference, it will be bad 1, 3, 5, 7 years from now like it has been. Solving the 1 bid issue rests pretty much on Beach, Cal Poly, SB making some incremental improvements to get over the hump. As it is, Cal Poly may really struggle next year. what I find interesting is that Hawaii pretty much takes care of itself, so why get all agitated. I'd be more concerned why Hawaii is straddling the 40/50 line vs. the 20/30 line of always getting in. That's Robyn and Hawaii's issue to solve just like it's Beach's issue to solve the Beach issues, etc. the tournament increases interest, bids (slightly), RPI (slightly).. It's a positive!! it's all pretty funny |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 9, 2022 21:06:28 GMT -5
Solving the bid issue has a lot to do with the bottom of the conference because of the negative effect those teams have on the RPI of the teams right outside of the RPI cut-off, usually Long Beach, Cal Poly and Santa Barbara.
It's true that the Big West brought a lot of this on themselves. Adding Bakersfield (and UCR longer ago) was a choice. It's also true that the Big West conference can also make choices that strengthen the conference. There's not too much evidence that the Presidents/Chancellors or the Big West Commissioner are exerting any real leadership in this regard, however.
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Post by kamikaze49 on Dec 9, 2022 21:14:03 GMT -5
I get your consternation. But group character assassination isn't even good through the net smack talk. Or rally much worthwhile support. More than a few Hawaii fans have already expressed acceptance or willingness to see the tournament work. There are still some devil in the detail issues with the 18 game reg. conf. season schedule, and as volleyguy expressed, the tournament doesn't solve the 1-bid conference issue if the bottom of the conference stays pathetically weak. I do not understand the fixation with focusing on the bottom of the conference. There is NOTHING one can do about it, other than bolting for another conference. Wan't to join the WAC? The Mtn West? (where teams are trying to wink wink at the Big12 or Pac-10/11?), the WCC? hey turn Hawaii into a Jesuit school and maybe the WCC will take Hawaii!!! Of course the tournament doesn't solve a 1 bid issue. It's designed to INCREASE competition and generate interest for the top schools!! that's good!! It DOES INCREASE the chances of multi-bid, whatever probability you want to give it. HOW IS THAT BAD!!! oh, it's bad because of some segment of Hawaii paranoia that xxyyzz is always 'out to get them' with every decision lol. yeah, it's fun poking fun, sorry, but it is funny at the knee-jerk reactions! solving the 1 bid issues has NOTHING to do with the bottom of the conference, it will be bad 1, 3, 5, 7 years from now like it has been. Solving the 1 bid issue rests pretty much on Beach, Cal Poly, SB making some incremental improvements to get over the hump. As it is, Cal Poly may really struggle next year. what I find interesting is that Hawaii pretty much takes care of itself, so why get all agitated. I'd be more concerned why Hawaii is straddling the 40/50 line vs. the 20/30 line of always getting in. That's Robyn and Hawaii's issue to solve just like it's Beach's issue to solve the Beach issues, etc. the tournament increases interest, bids (slightly), RPI (slightly).. It's a positive!! it's all pretty funny Don’t agree, but the conference has decided. Thinking an end of season tournament will help the BWC to become more than a 1 bid conference is misguided, given the current state of the conference. Is the BWC had 2 - 3 teams ranked in the top 30, plus ROIs in the top 40, as in the past, then the tournament would be beneficial. As it now stands, this simply relegates the regular season to be for seeding to win the AQ. IMO. |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 9, 2022 21:16:28 GMT -5
I get your consternation. But group character assassination isn't even good through the net smack talk. Or rally much worthwhile support. More than a few Hawaii fans have already expressed acceptance or willingness to see the tournament work. There are still some devil in the detail issues with the 18 game reg. conf. season schedule, and as volleyguy expressed, the tournament doesn't solve the 1-bid conference issue if the bottom of the conference stays pathetically weak. I do not understand the fixation with focusing on the bottom of the conference. There is NOTHING one can do about it, other than bolting for another conference. Wan't to join the WAC? The Mtn West? (where teams are trying to wink wink at the Big12 or Pac-10/11?), the WCC? hey turn Hawaii into a Jesuit school and maybe the WCC will take Hawaii!!! Of course the tournament doesn't solve a 1 bid issue. It's designed to INCREASE competition and generate interest for the top schools!! that's good!! It DOES INCREASE the chances of multi-bid, whatever probability you want to give it. HOW IS THAT BAD!!! oh, it's bad because of some segment of Hawaii paranoia that xxyyzz is always 'out to get them' with every decision lol. yeah, it's fun poking fun, sorry, but it is funny at the knee-jerk reactions! solving the 1 bid issues has NOTHING to do with the bottom of the conference, it will be bad 1, 3, 5, 7 years from now like it has been. Solving the 1 bid issue rests pretty much on Beach, Cal Poly, SB making some incremental improvements to get over the hump. As it is, Cal Poly may really struggle next year. what I find interesting is that Hawaii pretty much takes care of itself, so why get all agitated. I'd be more concerned why Hawaii is straddling the 40/50 line vs. the 20/30 line of always getting in. That's Robyn and Hawaii's issue to solve just like it's Beach's issue to solve the Beach issues, etc. the tournament increases interest, bids (slightly), RPI (slightly).. It's a positive!! it's all pretty funny I'm a Hawai'i fan. Many years of season tickets, men and women volleyball. I've conversed with many other season ticket holders. None are 'mafia' like, none are 'paranoid'. Zealous yes, but not in a bad way. On VT, many who post here are the 1% of the 1%. It's just not a good assumption they're representative of the whole. And, as mentioned, I'm convinced some who post as Hawai'i fans are primarily trolls, reveling in the emotional froth they can create. But they pick on the Hawai'i threads, because, well, that's where the views are. I have hope a BWC WVB tournament will prove overall a benefit to the conference. But, next season it's likely to be more of a benefit to Beach than Hawaii, so there's that 'negative' from the Hawaii perspective. But, should Beach fail to pick up a bid next year, despite having a tournament chance on their home court, that could be 'funny'. |
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Post by kamikaze49 on Dec 9, 2022 21:17:26 GMT -5
I get your consternation. But group character assassination isn't even good through the net smack talk. Or rally much worthwhile support. More than a few Hawaii fans have already expressed acceptance or willingness to see the tournament work. There are still some devil in the detail issues with the 18 game reg. conf. season schedule, and as volleyguy expressed, the tournament doesn't solve the 1-bid conference issue if the bottom of the conference stays pathetically weak. I do not understand the fixation with focusing on the bottom of the conference. There is NOTHING one can do about it, other than bolting for another conference. Wan't to join the WAC? The Mtn West? (where teams are trying to wink wink at the Big12 or Pac-10/11?), the WCC? hey turn Hawaii into a Jesuit school and maybe the WCC will take Hawaii!!! Of course the tournament doesn't solve a 1 bid issue. It's designed to INCREASE competition and generate interest for the top schools!! that's good!! It DOES INCREASE the chances of multi-bid, whatever probability you want to give it. HOW IS THAT BAD!!! oh, it's bad because of some segment of Hawaii paranoia that xxyyzz is always 'out to get them' with every decision lol. yeah, it's fun poking fun, sorry, but it is funny at the knee-jerk reactions! solving the 1 bid issues has NOTHING to do with the bottom of the conference, it will be bad 1, 3, 5, 7 years from now like it has been. Solving the 1 bid issue rests pretty much on Beach, Cal Poly, SB making some incremental improvements to get over the hump. As it is, Cal Poly may really struggle next year. what I find interesting is that Hawaii pretty much takes care of itself, so why get all agitated. I'd be more concerned why Hawaii is straddling the 40/50 line vs. the 20/30 line of always getting in. That's Robyn and Hawaii's issue to solve just like it's Beach's issue to solve the Beach issues, etc. the tournament increases interest, bids (slightly), RPI (slightly).. It's a positive!! it's all pretty funny Don’t agree, but the conference has decided. Thinking an end of season tournament will help the BWC to become more than a 1 bid conference is misguided, given the current state of the conference. If the BWC had 2 - 3 teams ranked in the top 30, plus RPIs in the top 40, as in the past, then the tournament would be beneficial. As it now stands, this simply relegates the regular season to be for seeding to win the AQ. IMO. |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Dec 9, 2022 21:19:11 GMT -5
The Big West has been a mainly one bid conference for some time now. A tournament gives 5 teams something to hope for at the end of the season rather than certain knowledge that their season is over 2-3 weeks before that. At most, it will occasionally give the BW two teams in the tourney rather when one on those occasions where an upset occurs. But this does nothing to address the actual problem which is the weakness at the bottom half of the conference and the inability of the mid to upper tier of the conference to improve their play, scheduling, RPI and results. So, yay for participation ribbons, but what about a real plan for strengthening the Conference in a sport where it has real history and possibility for still being relevant. If anyone really needs to understand the impact, just look at all the BW sports that already have conference tournaments. It’s one bid for most of them, and particularly obvious in MBB despite the fact that the BW focused its efforts and priorities on basketball. not true there has been three teams that made it a couple of seasons ago. |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 9, 2022 21:21:50 GMT -5
The Big West has been a mainly one bid conference for some time now. A tournament gives 5 teams something to hope for at the end of the season rather than certain knowledge that their season is over 2-3 weeks before that. At most, it will occasionally give the BW two teams in the tourney rather when one on those occasions where an upset occurs. But this does nothing to address the actual problem which is the weakness at the bottom half of the conference and the inability of the mid to upper tier of the conference to improve their play, scheduling, RPI and results. So, yay for participation ribbons, but what about a real plan for strengthening the Conference in a sport where it has real history and possibility for still being relevant. If anyone really needs to understand the impact, just look at all the BW sports that already have conference tournaments. It’s one bid for most of them, and particularly obvious in MBB despite the fact that the BW focused its efforts and priorities on basketball. not true there has been three teams that made it a couple of seasons ago. I'm aware of that, which is why I said "mainly" and "for most of them". |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Dec 9, 2022 21:23:25 GMT -5
The Big West has been a mainly one bid conference for some time now. A tournament gives 5 teams something to hope for at the end of the season rather than certain knowledge that their season is over 2-3 weeks before that. At most, it will occasionally give the BW two teams in the tourney rather when one on those occasions where an upset occurs. But this does nothing to address the actual problem which is the weakness at the bottom half of the conference and the inability of the mid to upper tier of the conference to improve their play, scheduling, RPI and results. So, yay for participation ribbons, but what about a real plan for strengthening the Conference in a sport where it has real history and possibility for still being relevant. If anyone really needs to understand the impact, just look at all the BW sports that already have conference tournaments. It’s one bid for most of them, and particularly obvious in MBB despite the fact that the BW focused its efforts and priorities on basketball. not true there has been three teams that made it a couple of seasons ago. I have seen how good the rest of the teams are. Cal Poly and UCSB of late with the Beach historically. The BW has had at least two make it on recent memory. So I donʻt buy that Hawaiʻi is the only one capable. Its about having consistent seasons that will keep the conference relevant. |
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Post by raian13 on Dec 9, 2022 21:37:50 GMT -5
Hawaii has earned each and every automatic bid they have gotten in the past. You’re obviously salivating for a post-season run here. Tell coach Tyler to do better. lol, Tyler did do better. make huge improvements in Year 1 i find it funny Hawaii fans tell other schools to do better. like,why not run your program as if the other schools don't matter. I assume the bottom half (or more) of the Big West I simply assume does not have the wherewithal (Structural or otherwise) to 'improve'. does Fresno State and Boise beg on Hawaii to improve their football team constantly? lol 'Waaaahhh', a conference tournament is un-fair. it would be hilarious if next year Hawaii finishes 2nd or 3rd or whatever and then wins the BWCT. of course then there will be some other perceived 'slight' to moan about. But we are talking about volleyball not football. Besides, there is no proposed conference tournament in football isn’t it? This is Big West that historically sends just one team to the post-season. If Hawaii ends at 2nd or 3rd spot next year who knows? But we’ll talk about it when we get there. So far, Hawaii has won a three peat. And I don’t see them getting a downgrade next year. You’re just giving a reason for other teams to perform mediocre during conference play and hope to catch the top team on their bad day in the tournament. |
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Post by beachgrad on Dec 9, 2022 21:40:09 GMT -5
I believe someone posted the last 5 years of tournament bids and if I remember correctly it averaged out about 2 per year, not including this season.
I sure hope that all the BW teams can upgrade their rosters through the portal for immediate impact. Without considering potential graduate transfers out of the BW, the top teams were a player or so away from really making a jump up the RPI ladder.
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