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Post by abcd098 on Aug 13, 2022 12:02:19 GMT -5
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vballfreak808
Hawaiian Ohana 
2020 All-VolleyTalk 1st Team, All-VolleyTalk 2nd Team (2023, 2022, 2017, 2016), All-VolleyTalk HM (2021, 2019, 2018), 2017 Fantasy League 1st Runner-up, 2016 Fantasy League Champion
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Post by vballfreak808 on Aug 13, 2022 13:52:51 GMT -5
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 13, 2022 14:30:32 GMT -5
A great deal off self-promotion coming out of MSU. I think this is necessary to some extent, but from my seat, I don’t see anything that makes me believe Sparty is climbing the B1G ladder any time soon. True. It's a hard ladder to climb.
But in this day and age, I think the self-promotion is necessary to even have a chance. MSU doesn't do it, they never climb the ladder. They do it, they might climb the ladder. Most Big 10 teams - even the 8th and 9th entries into the tournament - can make tournament runs, even if they finished .500 or slightly below in conference. We've seen it plenty of times. I'll be interested to see if Johnson can do more than that (though making the tourney and making a "run" is a great start) and every once in a while put a team in the Top 5-7 with a +.500 record, or who knows, a year where they do even more. I get it, it's early and she's unproven, but I generally root for MSU to do well.
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Post by abcd098 on Aug 13, 2022 15:14:39 GMT -5
A great deal off self-promotion coming out of MSU. I think this is necessary to some extent, but from my seat, I don’t see anything that makes me believe Sparty is climbing the B1G ladder any time soon. We get it- you have strong negative feelings towards the MSU volleyball program for some reason. 🙄 |
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Post by abcd098 on Aug 13, 2022 15:16:34 GMT -5
A great deal off self-promotion coming out of MSU. I think this is necessary to some extent, but from my seat, I don’t see anything that makes me believe Sparty is climbing the B1G ladder any time soon. True. It's a hard ladder to climb.
But in this day and age, I think the self-promotion is necessary to even have a chance. MSU doesn't do it, they never climb the ladder. They do it, they might climb the ladder. Most Big 10 teams - even the 8th and 9th entries into the tournament - can make tournament runs, even if they finished .500 or slightly below in conference. We've seen it plenty of times. I'll be interested to see if Johnson can do more than that (though making the tourney and making a "run" is a great start) and every once in a while put a team in the Top 5-7 with a +.500 record, or who knows, a year where they do even more. I get it, it's early and she's unproven, but I generally root for MSU to do well.
I think MSU making the tournament in the next three seasons will be success. Leah Johnson was left with a bare cupboard, and MSU has not had much success in the last four seasons or so. For this season, a few good wins in the conference will be a good start, although I hope they can surpass their expectations. |
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Post by eazy on Aug 13, 2022 17:25:13 GMT -5
We get it- you have strong negative feelings towards the MSU volleyball program for some reason. 🙄 Are you implying that you believe there are signs that Sparty is making the improvements to surpass what Cathy George built? I think the implication is that you have a clear bias against the current program (whether that's the new coaching staff of the school itself) and find every opportunity to make negative comments for no clear reason. They haven't even played their first match yet and you're already talking down about their lack of accomplishments. Just sit back and wait for it to unfold before making any judgements. Unless of course, you were passed up for the job and have a bone to pick.. |
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Post by potato518 on Aug 13, 2022 18:21:58 GMT -5
I won’t lie Cathy George definitely was on the decline last fews years after her 2017 senior class. She had a great impact but I think the program will see a better year than last
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Post by abcd098 on Aug 13, 2022 18:52:21 GMT -5
I won’t lie Cathy George definitely was on the decline last fews years after her 2017 senior class. She had a great impact but I think the program will see a better year than last I still don’t know how MSU did as badly as they did the last two seasons. Franklin, Gros, Poljan, Cullen, and Max-Brown had a lot of talent and that is a good lineup on paper. I think the lack of a strong libero was the missing link. |
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Post by potato518 on Aug 13, 2022 19:48:32 GMT -5
I won’t lie Cathy George definitely was on the decline last fews years after her 2017 senior class. She had a great impact but I think the program will see a better year than last I still don’t know how MSU did as badly as they did the last two seasons. Franklin, Gros, Poljan, Cullen, and Max-Brown had a lot of talent and that is a good lineup on paper. I think the lack of a strong libero was the missing link. precisely!! |
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Post by bprtbone on Aug 13, 2022 20:07:26 GMT -5
I think it’s very cool that Sparty is playing all of their home matches at Breslin this year.
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Post by abcd098 on Aug 23, 2022 17:38:03 GMT -5
Anyone attending the Green and White scrimmage tonight who can post an update on what they saw? 😘
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 23, 2022 17:51:33 GMT -5
I won’t lie Cathy George definitely was on the decline last fews years after her 2017 senior class. She had a great impact but I think the program will see a better year than last I still don’t know how MSU did as badly as they did the last two seasons. Franklin, Gros, Poljan, Cullen, and Max-Brown had a lot of talent and that is a good lineup on paper. I think the lack of a strong libero was the missing link. well, there were only two "Surprising" losses for MSU last year - Wright State in week 1, and against Indiana. I think it's unreasonable for the expectation for MSU to take out the top half of the Big 10 teams - as most were just too good last year. Their results among the bottom half of the conference were respectable. IMO they were a better team than some at-larges that made the tournament - *cough* Marquette, *cough* Kansas State. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Aug 23, 2022 17:57:39 GMT -5
I still don’t know how MSU did as badly as they did the last two seasons. Franklin, Gros, Poljan, Cullen, and Max-Brown had a lot of talent and that is a good lineup on paper. I think the lack of a strong libero was the missing link. well, there were only two "Surprising" losses for MSU last year - Wright State in week 1, and against Indiana. I think it's unreasonable for the expectation for MSU to take out the top half of the Big 10 teams - as most were just too good last year. Their results among the bottom half of the conference were respectable. IMO they were a better team than some at-larges that made the tournament - *cough* Marquette, *cough* Kansas State. The Marquette team that didnt lose to anyone other than Creighton, Kentucky, or Wisconsin? ok. |
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 23, 2022 18:04:25 GMT -5
well, there were only two "Surprising" losses for MSU last year - Wright State in week 1, and against Indiana. I think it's unreasonable for the expectation for MSU to take out the top half of the Big 10 teams - as most were just too good last year. Their results among the bottom half of the conference were respectable. IMO they were a better team than some at-larges that made the tournament - *cough* Marquette, *cough* Kansas State. The Marquette team that didnt lose to anyone other than Creighton, Kentucky, or Wisconsin? ok. And whom did they beat? a brand new Hawaii team in week 1?...Pablo had them at #50, just sayin. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Aug 23, 2022 18:11:50 GMT -5
The Marquette team that didnt lose to anyone other than Creighton, Kentucky, or Wisconsin? ok. And whom did they beat? a brand new Hawaii team in week 1?...Pablo had them at #50, just sayin. ok. but they also didnt lose to Wright State, Indiana, and Iowa lol |
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