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Post by vbcoltrane on Feb 9, 2022 11:29:30 GMT -5
Well, looks like ISU will be losing a few players. So ISU lets her out of her contract, congratulates her in social media; and she has the gumption to take players from the school with her? She's offering them the chance to go with her to MSU. That's on them. They're not being forced/"taken". I don't see what's wrong with it. People leave their current situation - jobs, relationships, place of residence, etc. - all the time. What makes college sports any different that there should be an expectation that everyone stays put for the duration? |
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Post by Hisbots on Feb 9, 2022 11:32:11 GMT -5
So ISU lets her out of her contract, congratulates her in social media; and she has the gumption to take players from the school with her? She's offering them the chance to go with her to MSU. That's on them. They're not being forced/"taken". I don't see what's wrong with it. People leave their current situation - jobs, relationships, place of residence, etc. - all the time. What makes college sports any different that there should be an expectation that everyone stays put for the duration? Self-important creepy control freak fans (who think their thoughts on anyone else's lives matter) are so upset by this statement. |
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Post by Hisbots on Feb 9, 2022 11:36:26 GMT -5
LOL imagine thinking so little of college athletes that you think their coach should be free to transfer schools but that she should be telling them, "sorry, you're not allowed to come here, only me! you're forced to stay at ISU. Sorry!"
You people are something else.
Imagine if someone started posting online about where you should move for your education or your job. People who have never met you, talking about what you should be doing with your life. You, the one who is good enough to earn a college scholarship in a sport you're fantastic at - being told by some dude who is bored with life, miserably typing away at his corporate accounting job, what you should be doing with your life. LOL
Seriously, come on. It's creepy and you're creepy and the "but it's a volleyball message board" doesn't work because you're just obsessed with having control over where athletes attend school and it has nothing to do with volleyball and you know it.
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Post by Boom! on Feb 9, 2022 11:39:38 GMT -5
That was an impressive performance by Leah Johnson. She's articulate, poised, organized and disciplined. Without knowing much about her previous coaching stints or coaching abilities, what was most striking to me was that apart from the predictable references to the Big 10 as the premiere volleyball conference and chasing national championships, there was almost nothing about her volleyball coaching philosophy.
Michigan St has had some impressive talent on their rosters at times, but was unable to translate that talent/potential into consistent enough performance to break through to the top ranks. Johnson seems like a steady hand, but I'm not sure that's still enough to take them to the next level.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Feb 9, 2022 11:46:16 GMT -5
That was an impressive performance by Leah Johnson. She's articulate, poised, organized and disciplined. Without knowing much about her previous coaching stints or coaching abilities, what was most striking to me was that apart from the predictable references to the Big 10 as the premiere volleyball conference and chasing national championships, there was almost nothing about her volleyball coaching philosophy. Michigan St has had some impressive talent on their rosters at times, but was unable to translate that talent/potential into consistent enough performance to break through to the top ranks. Johnson seems like a steady hand, but I'm not sure that's still enough to take them to the next level. I do think she can get MSU back to it's previous level though - consistent tournament team, top half of the conference, Regional semis or better run every few years. Someone outlined that really good seven-year stretch of Cathy George. I think getting MSU back to that would be a really nice achievement. But, yeah, the "next level" will be tough. |
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Post by jumboshrimp on Feb 9, 2022 11:49:33 GMT -5
Otene can definitely score in the B!G. She's not Samedy, but she'll score score at an efficient level.
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Post by Friday on Feb 9, 2022 11:54:31 GMT -5
Otene can definitely score in the B!G. She's not Samedy, but she'll score score at an efficient level. Pretty sure she is not one of the ones following her to MSU |
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Post by curly on Feb 9, 2022 12:01:39 GMT -5
In 2005, Ashley Schatzle came with Cathy George from Western Michigan and was a valuable addition to the Spartan lineup. Megan Schoen, Andrea Hansen, and Maggie Griffin transferred away from the Spartans with that coaching change.
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Post by timmyt on Feb 9, 2022 12:01:53 GMT -5
Leah will build a winning organization!! The question is why would a coach/school/team want someone back that entered the portal for greener pastures? For one thing, she only has 8 players on the roster. Also, everyone in the portal entered for greener pastures so as far as that goes a Michigan State player would be on equal footing with the others. 8 on the roster plus how many recruits? |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Feb 9, 2022 12:12:13 GMT -5
Any early word on the ISU vacancy? Maybe not as glamorous as discussing a Power 5 opening, but it seems to be a real solid job. Good school that just goes about its business without a lot of flash and Bloomington-Normal is a nice enough city.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 13:22:07 GMT -5
She's offering them the chance to go with her to MSU. That's on them. They're not being forced/"taken". I don't see what's wrong with it. People leave their current situation - jobs, relationships, place of residence, etc. - all the time. What makes college sports any different that there should be an expectation that everyone stays put for the duration? Self-important creepy control freak fans (who think their thoughts on anyone else's lives matter) are so upset by this statement. My concern is with the control the Coach has on his/her athletes and the ability to persuade those students who she mentors. I also wonder how the NCAA looks at this. |
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Post by Hisbots on Feb 9, 2022 13:30:08 GMT -5
Self-important creepy control freak fans (who think their thoughts on anyone else's lives matter) are so upset by this statement. My concern is with the control the Coach has on his/her athletes and the ability to persuade those students who she mentors. I also wonder how the NCAA looks at this. The NCAA isn't in the business of human trafficking, so they don't look at it. Athletes are students and the NCAA recently purposely made it *easier* for athletes to transfer.Your concern isn't an actual concern if you're posting about it on VolleyTalk instead of messaging the NCAA or whatever -- it's just a gripe. A gripe because you don't enjoy when women can make their own decisions. I mean seriously -- you are ACTUALLY claiming to be concerned that this is happening?  ? Coaches and athletes transfer all the time. If you think Leah Johnson is holding her ISU players hostage and forcing them to do anything at all -- you're beyond delusional... like literally to the point of needing immediate help/triage with your mental health. I can't believe what I'm reading. You can't be serious??? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 13:30:43 GMT -5
In 2005, Ashley Schatzle came with Cathy George from Western Michigan and was a valuable addition to the Spartan lineup. Megan Schoen, Andrea Hansen, and Maggie Griffin transferred away from the Spartans with that coaching change. Earlier, I read George won .439 of her Big Ten matches. Does anybody believe Johnson wins at a higher percentage - or less? |
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Post by Hisbots on Feb 9, 2022 13:31:21 GMT -5
In 2005, Ashley Schatzle came with Cathy George from Western Michigan and was a valuable addition to the Spartan lineup. Megan Schoen, Andrea Hansen, and Maggie Griffin transferred away from the Spartans with that coaching change. Earlier, I read George won .439 of her Big Ten matches. Does anybody believe Johnson wins at a higher percentage - or less? I think we probably *all* believe she wins at a higher or lower percentage. I don't see anyone predicting that she will go exactly .439. Clearly, though, we all know she won't have any wins or losses, because she's going to be imprisoned for kidnapping by the time this is all over with! |
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Post by bkedane on Feb 9, 2022 14:21:04 GMT -5
My favorite part of the coverage has been reading the claim that she was not looking to move. For someone not looking to move she applied for a rather large number of positions and was receptive to many approaches too.
I have no problem at all with her looking to move and for interviewing for several attractive positions and for putting the word out that she was available to several who are regularly asked to make recommendations. I do not know what's gained by the pretense that she wasn't looking to move.
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