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Post by nellynel on Apr 26, 2022 12:48:21 GMT -5
Hold up on dat car wash gentleman. Texas has been down with bad coaching hires but A&M left the B12 because they were tired of being the #2 team in Texas. A&M did not want to see Texas in the SEC. And even in the SEC under their magical Manzel year they finished what 4th in the SEC west? Ok? None of this really refutes my last sentence. I'm not arguing that Texas A&M doesn't have a "little brother, something to prove" mentality with Texas. Or that they left the SEC to get out of UT's spotlight. Honestly, I don't even particularly like either school that much. But if you think Texas's football program is better than A&M's right now, you're just biased. "Bad coaching hires" (Mack Brown's declining years, Strong, Herman, likely Sark...) is just another way of saying that they haven't really been nationally relevant since like 2010. If A&M and Texas played Sep 3, 2022 I think Texas would beat A&M. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 26, 2022 12:49:01 GMT -5
A&M is definitely better than Texas right now (I mean, Texas lost to Kansas), but that could change if Texas gets the right coach (I don't really think Sark is the guy, but I guess we'll see). Also, A&M and Texas haven't played each other since A&M left for the SEC. When Texas joins, I imagine that rivalry will be renewed, and it will probably be played every season. I think A&M wants to make sure that they win that game more often than not. But I also think A&M has bigger fish to fry than just Texas. They haven't won a title since 1939, but they have a national championship coach and great recruiting classes.
The last 12 seasons ..... just seems like a very protracted period of utter mediocrity. There would seemingly be no possible reason for Texas to be anything other than an Alabama or Ohio State, in football.
But it's just ... worlds apart, during that period. They haven't hired the right coaches in that timespan. Even Alabama had a period of mediocrity between Gene Stallings and Nick Saban. |
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Post by donut on Apr 26, 2022 12:50:28 GMT -5
Ok? None of this really refutes my last sentence. I'm not arguing that Texas A&M doesn't have a "little brother, something to prove" mentality with Texas. Or that they left the SEC to get out of UT's spotlight. Honestly, I don't even particularly like either school that much. But if you think Texas's football program is better than A&M's right now, you're just biased. "Bad coaching hires" (Mack Brown's declining years, Strong, Herman, likely Sark...) is just another way of saying that they haven't really been nationally relevant since like 2010. If A&M and Texas played Sep 3, 2022 I think Texas would beat A&M. lol ok |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 26, 2022 12:53:46 GMT -5
The last 12 seasons ..... just seems like a very protracted period of utter mediocrity. There would seemingly be no possible reason for Texas to be anything other than an Alabama or Ohio State, in football.
But it's just ... worlds apart, during that period. They haven't hired the right coaches in that timespan. Even Alabama had a period of mediocrity between Gene Stallings and Nick Saban. And between Bear Bryant and Gene Stallings. |
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Post by nellynel on Apr 26, 2022 12:55:02 GMT -5
If A&M and Texas played Sep 3, 2022 I think Texas would beat A&M. lol ok A&M’s offense is garbage, Texas defense is garbage right now and that can be helped with the TCU transfer still deciding. |
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Post by trojansc on Apr 26, 2022 12:55:28 GMT -5
If A&M and Texas played Sep 3, 2022 I think Texas would beat A&M. In volleyball? Absolutely! |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 26, 2022 12:55:48 GMT -5
They haven't hired the right coaches in that timespan. Even Alabama had a period of mediocrity between Gene Stallings and Nick Saban. And between Bear Bryant and Gene Stallings. Yeah, that's a little before my time, so I don't remember that era personally, but looking at Alabama's yearly records, that checks out. |
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Post by donut on Apr 26, 2022 12:56:16 GMT -5
But you CAN buy coaches. And that is one of the fastest paths to success. If Vandy offers Dan Fisher $1.5 mil/year, I have to think he'd gladly move to Nashville. And be competing for national titles within a decade. Now, I'm not sure I trust SEC administrators to be savvy enough to know who the right targets are. But they could go get coaches if they wanted to. Within the baseball world, a lot of people believe Corbin is the top paid coach in the country. Private school, so not publicly released, but that would put him above ~$1.5 million. Honestly, the first name that came to mind for me, was DBK (but I know nothing about coaching hunts). |
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Post by donut on Apr 26, 2022 12:58:00 GMT -5
A&M’s offense is garbage, Texas defense is garbage right now and that can be helped with the TCU transfer still deciding. I have zero interest in debating who would win a football game between Texas A&M and Texas, with a Texas fan, in a thread about Vandy volleyball lol. Not to mention, what a single win means re: "who has a better program right now." So have at it! |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 26, 2022 13:02:30 GMT -5
But you CAN buy coaches. And that is one of the fastest paths to success. If Vandy offers Dan Fisher $1.5 mil/year, I have to think he'd gladly move to Nashville. And be competing for national titles within a decade. Now, I'm not sure I trust SEC administrators to be savvy enough to know who the right targets are. But they could go get coaches if they wanted to. Within the baseball world, a lot of people believe Corbin is the top paid coach in the country. Private school, so not publically released, but that would put him above ~$1.2 million. Honestly, the first name that came to mind for me, was DBK (but I know nothing about coaching hunts). I think they'd really have to pay a lot to get DBK out of Louisville. She can win a national championship right where she is, so there's no real reason to leave. She'd probably just use interest from Vanderbilt (or anyone else not named Nebraska) to get a raise from Louisville. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 26, 2022 14:49:31 GMT -5
Within the baseball world, a lot of people believe Corbin is the top paid coach in the country. Private school, so not publically released, but that would put him above ~$1.2 million. Honestly, the first name that came to mind for me, was DBK (but I know nothing about coaching hunts). I think they'd really have to pay a lot to get DBK out of Louisville. She can win a national championship right where she is, so there's no real reason to leave. She'd probably just use interest from Vanderbilt (or anyone else not named Nebraska) to get a raise from Louisville. Right. That’s the conversation we’re having. SEC tv money could by itself allow programs to be national championship contenders because they could (if they really wanted) get DBK by tripling her current salary. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 26, 2022 14:53:35 GMT -5
But you CAN buy coaches. And that is one of the fastest paths to success. If Vandy offers Dan Fisher $1.5 mil/year, I have to think he'd gladly move to Nashville. And be competing for national titles within a decade. Now, I'm not sure I trust SEC administrators to be savvy enough to know who the right targets are. But they could go get coaches if they wanted to. Within the baseball world, a lot of people believe Corbin is the top paid coach in the country. Private school, so not publicly released, but that would put him above ~$1.5 million. Honestly, the first name that came to mind for me, was DBK (but I know nothing about coaching hunts). Yep. DBK would be great as well. I only appreciate what Fisher has done a little more because (1) the program was in terrible shape when he took over and (2) Pitt isn’t located in a volleyball hotbed like Louisville is. He’s convincing kids from California, Texas and Hawaii to move to frickin PITTSBURGH for four years. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 26, 2022 22:39:39 GMT -5
I think they'd really have to pay a lot to get DBK out of Louisville. She can win a national championship right where she is, so there's no real reason to leave. She'd probably just use interest from Vanderbilt (or anyone else not named Nebraska) to get a raise from Louisville. Right. That’s the conversation we’re having. SEC tv money could by itself allow programs to be national championship contenders because they could (if they really wanted) get DBK by tripling her current salary. So, sure. In theory, that could happen. But I don't think there's an SEC team (or possibly any D1 team) that would spend that much on a volleyball coach right now. Vanderbilt doesn't even have a team yet. Florida and Kentucky take volleyball seriously, but I'm not sure much of the rest of the SEC does, or at least not as seriously as, say, the Big Ten. I'm trying to think of which of the other schools would be willing to spend that much. I don't think Alabama or Georgia or LSU would. The one school that I think possibly might would be Texas A&M, but only if they're just bound and determined to beat Texas at every sport. But really, I think they're just more focused on trying to win their first national championship in football since the Great Depression, so I think there's no one. |
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Post by donut on Apr 27, 2022 0:31:51 GMT -5
Right. That’s the conversation we’re having. SEC tv money could by itself allow programs to be national championship contenders because they could (if they really wanted) get DBK by tripling her current salary. So, sure. In theory, that could happen. But I don't think there's an SEC team (or possibly any D1 team) that would spend that much on a volleyball coach right now. Vanderbilt doesn't even have a team yet. Florida and Kentucky take volleyball seriously, but I'm not sure much of the rest of the SEC does, or at least not as seriously as, say, the Big Ten. Tripling is unlikely, IMO, but I think you're underestimating the momentum P5 volleyball, especially SEC volleyball, has right now. Even in the B1G, coaches like McCutcheon and Sheff have seen their salaries double/triple since 2015-2017 (based on what I can find). DBK just signed a contract for $400K (which I found surprising, given Lousiville's athletics money situation), which is closing in on the top B1G coaches. Given Vandy's rebrand of their athletics (and university in general), the heavy public investment (Vandy United), the school's deep pockets, and the introduction of volleyball, I don't think it's unreasonable to think they're prepared to offer a very competitive salary to most D1 coaches, even if it's not DBK or Fisher (I can't find Fisher's salary). Plus, they have one of the only women ADs in the P5 -- I just can't see why they'd half-a$$ it. You seem very fixated on when A&M last won the National Championship lol. I don't think $500k (or whatever) is the difference (say they wanted to give their volleyball head coach a raise), in their athletic department's eyes, between their football team winning a National Championship and not. If Texas A&M were to gain some volleyball momentum, I think they would capitalize on it. I think Vandy has that momentum right now -- by introducing volleyball, during a time when the sport is exploding, and when the school is focusing heavily on rebrand/athletics. If baseball is an apt example, they'll easily put the money behind the program if they think its worth it. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 27, 2022 1:17:14 GMT -5
So, sure. In theory, that could happen. But I don't think there's an SEC team (or possibly any D1 team) that would spend that much on a volleyball coach right now. Vanderbilt doesn't even have a team yet. Florida and Kentucky take volleyball seriously, but I'm not sure much of the rest of the SEC does, or at least not as seriously as, say, the Big Ten. Tripling is unlikely, IMO, but I think you're underestimating the momentum P5 volleyball, especially SEC volleyball, has right now. Even in the B1G, coaches like McCutcheon and Sheff have seen their salaries double/triple since 2015-2017 (based on what I can find). DBK just signed a contract for $400K (which I found surprising, given Lousiville's athletics money situation), which is closing in on the top B1G coaches. Given Vandy's rebrand of their athletics (and university in general), the heavy public investment (Vandy United), the school's deep pockets, and the introduction of volleyball, I don't think it's unreasonable to think they're prepared to offer a very competitive salary to most D1 coaches, even if it's not DBK or Fisher (I can't find Fisher's salary). Plus, they have one of the only women ADs in the P5 -- I just can't see why they'd half-a$$ it. You seem very fixated on when A&M last won the National Championship lol. I don't think $500k (or whatever) is the difference (say they wanted to give their volleyball head coach a raise), in their athletic department's eyes, between their football team winning a National Championship and not. If Texas A&M were to gain some volleyball momentum, I think they would capitalize on it. I think Vandy has that momentum right now -- by introducing volleyball, during a time when the sport is exploding, and when the school is focusing heavily on rebrand/athletics. If baseball is an apt example, they'll easily put the money behind the program if they think its worth it. I really don't think I'm underestimating volleyball or the SEC. I am a big proponent of the potential of women's volleyball as well as SEC volleyball. I think women's volleyball has more spectator potential than any other women's sport, and I think that at some point in my lifetime (I'm in my 30s), women's volleyball will be more popular than women's basketball. I also think the SEC has more untapped potential than any other conference. I have said this many times. That said, the results aren't quite there for the SEC yet. I think it's only a matter of time before the SEC is a top conference the way they are in many other sports, but it's still a work in progress. Yes, if Texas A&M wanted to make a big splash in volleyball, they could. But I haven't seen evidence of that yet. And I'm not really "fixated" on A&M football. I don't really care about them, but I do think football dwarfs every other sport in importance for them. As for Vanderbilt, I agree that they'll try to make a good hire, and I believe they'll commit significant resources to that. I just don't think they're going to spend a million dollars per year on a coach if they think they can get a good candidate for 30-40% of that price. And they probably can. There are a lot of attractive things about volleyball at Vanderbilt, though there are also some unique challenges, since it's literally building a program from the ground up. So I think the top coaches that are already in great situations at major programs are unlikely to leave unless it's a lot of extra money. But there are still top assistants out there who may find the opportunity to be attractive. After all, that's what Vanderbilt did with their baseball program, hiring a top assistant from Clemson. |
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