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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 10:41:28 GMT -5
Duke volleyball? Northwestern volleyball? I mean it's one thing if an undergrad degree is universally recognized as elite, all over the country -- ie, Stanford. But isn't Vandy's main academic prowess in professional programs? Law and med? I definitely think Vanderbilt is widely perceived as elite academically, but as you said, Northwestern and Duke aren't dominant volleyball programs. Cal is also a great school, but their volleyball program isn't doing so well, and the only time they were elite at volleyball is when they had Cali Lloyd. Now, will Vanderbilt ultimately be better than Northwestern or Duke? Time will tell. They really need to make sure that they hire the right coach. And get the right players! Both are needed. Chicken and the egg. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 29, 2022 10:41:51 GMT -5
Duke and NW don't hit the same way in the upper-class-Southerner demographic. And also, neither is in Nashville. I said the combo of the two, and no other high-academic institution has a location like that. What's so great about Nashville, other than the downtown bar scene. Great for a bachelorette party, I'm sure. Get towed around in the back of tractor, go to some big honky tonk bar, whatever it is they do. Otherwise ... you're still in the south. It's still a hot, sticky mess of backwardsness. True though, on campus is probably much better in that regard. I don't think elite athletes are going to have too much time to party. Probably more than zero, which is fine. If I was going to base it on partying ... I'd take New Orleans any day of the week.
But unlike New Orleans, Vegas, or LA, it's a fun party town that doesn't scare off parents. Also, walk around a qualifier and see how many top recruits are blasting country music. Oh and from someone who hates heat, Nashville is by far the most tolerable city in the south. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 10:42:21 GMT -5
OK. Cool
I suppose depending on definition of "the south", Rice, American, and Washington are in there as well.
WashU and Rice (a bit more of a "niche" school) yeah. American? Not at all. I guess I assumed all Patriot League schools were close to Ivy League. Not sure which metrics/rankings you're using. But I will take your word for it.
And since I just mentioned New Orelans, I forgot about Tulane.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 29, 2022 10:42:26 GMT -5
I definitely think Vanderbilt is widely perceived as elite academically, but as you said, Northwestern and Duke aren't dominant volleyball programs. Cal is also a great school, but their volleyball program isn't doing so well, and the only time they were elite at volleyball is when they had Carli Lloyd. Now, will Vanderbilt ultimately be better than Northwestern or Duke? Time will tell. They really need to make sure that they hire the right coach. And get the right players! Both are needed. Chicken and the egg. The right coach will get the right players. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 10:43:30 GMT -5
What's so great about Nashville, other than the downtown bar scene. Great for a bachelorette party, I'm sure. Get towed around in the back of tractor, go to some big honky tonk bar, whatever it is they do. Otherwise ... you're still in the south. It's still a hot, sticky mess of backwardsness. True though, on campus is probably much better in that regard. I don't think elite athletes are going to have too much time to party. Probably more than zero, which is fine. If I was going to base it on partying ... I'd take New Orleans any day of the week.
But unlike New Orleans, Vegas, or LA, it's a fun party town that doesn't scare off parents. Also, walk around a qualifier and see how many top recruits are blasting country music. I will just have to take your word for it on these two points.
If being "close" to the "heart" of country music puts it over the top for a great volleyball player with top notch academics over NW, Duke, etc. , then you're exactly correct.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 10:43:52 GMT -5
And get the right players! Both are needed. Chicken and the egg. The right coach will get the right players. Funny how that works .....
($$$$$$ ??)
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 29, 2022 10:47:11 GMT -5
But unlike New Orleans, Vegas, or LA, it's a fun party town that doesn't scare off parents. Also, walk around a qualifier and see how many top recruits are blasting country music. I will just have to take your word for it on these two points. If being "close" to the "heart" of country music puts it over the top for a great volleyball player with top notch academics over NW, Duke, etc. , then you're exactly correct.
Club VB parents get a letter from Tulane: "Oh dear god, New Orleans is so dangerous. And is she just going to party?" Club VB parents get a letter from Vandy: "Sweet. We can go to Nashville like 15 times a year." And like you said, VB players don't party much (and not much at all during the season). What they do, however, is go to concerts. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 29, 2022 10:57:56 GMT -5
The right coach will get the right players. Funny how that works .....
($$$$$$ ??)
I'm not sure what you're referring to about money, but the right coach will be someone who is a good recruiter. And they don't necessarily need to go toe to toe with Nebraska and Texas. There are good coaches who can identify talented but overlooked athletes and develop them into great players. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 29, 2022 14:04:42 GMT -5
WashU and Rice (a bit more of a "niche" school) yeah. American? Not at all. I guess I assumed all Patriot League schools were close to Ivy League. Not sure which metrics/rankings you're using. But I will take your word for it.
And since I just mentioned New Orelans, I forgot about Tulane.
Army and Navy are kind of their own thing because they're service academies, but I wouldn't say the others are close to Ivy League. I think that's the way the Patriot League tries to market itself, but honestly, if I saw a resume featuring any of the other eight schools, I wouldn't give it a second thought. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 29, 2022 14:50:57 GMT -5
Duke and NW don't hit the same way in the upper-class-Southerner demographic. And also, neither is in Nashville. I said the combo of the two, and no other high-academic institution has a location like that. What's so great about Nashville, other than the downtown bar scene. Great for a bachelorette party, I'm sure. Get towed around in the back of tractor, go to some big honky tonk bar, whatever it is they do.
Otherwise ... you're still in the south. It's still a hot, sticky mess of backwardsness. True though, on campus is probably much better in that regard.
I don't think elite athletes are going to have too much time to party. Probably more than zero, which is fine.
If I was going to base it on partying ... I'd take New Orleans any day of the week.
That's about like me saying what's so great about Minneapolis where the only thing to do is ice fish 10 months a year and get eat up by the mosquitos the other two. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 15:54:47 GMT -5
What's so great about Nashville, other than the downtown bar scene. Great for a bachelorette party, I'm sure. Get towed around in the back of tractor, go to some big honky tonk bar, whatever it is they do.
Otherwise ... you're still in the south. It's still a hot, sticky mess of backwardsness. True though, on campus is probably much better in that regard.
I don't think elite athletes are going to have too much time to party. Probably more than zero, which is fine.
If I was going to base it on partying ... I'd take New Orleans any day of the week.
That's about like me saying what's so great about Minneapolis where the only thing to do is ice fish 10 months a year and get eat up by the mosquitos the other two. Believe me, there's nothing so great about Minneapolis. And I never claimed otherwise.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2022 11:06:57 GMT -5
Oh and from someone who hates heat, Nashville is by far the most tolerable city in the south. Again, will have to take your word for it. Humid heat is what's awful. Dry heat is fine. |
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Post by donut on Apr 30, 2022 12:31:55 GMT -5
Most students only experience the humidity in maybe September and May. Nashville fall (especially on Vandy's campus with all of the trees) and springs are lovely, and the winters are short and relatively mild.
Any recruit who is going to pass over Vandy for the summer weather is likely passing over all the schools in the SEC and the Texas schools. And for every recruit who doesn't want hot/humid summers, there's at least one who doesn't want midwest/northeast winters.
I absolutely don't think Nashville's summer weather is going to be a factor at all for recruiting.
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Post by donut on Apr 30, 2022 12:35:49 GMT -5
WashU and Rice (a bit more of a "niche" school) yeah. American? Not at all. I guess I assumed all Patriot League schools were close to Ivy League. Not sure which metrics/rankings you're using. But I will take your word for it.
And since I just mentioned New Orelans, I forgot about Tulane.
Using the metric you suggested -- acceptance rate -- American is at 40%. Vandy/NW/Duke are all 6-8% (Vandy actually being the lowest). Tulane is a great school, but is readily seen as a safety/back-up to schools like Vandy/NW/Duke. Plus, it also heavily pulls from the Northeast. There's a reason it has the moniker "Jewlane." |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 30, 2022 12:38:35 GMT -5
Oh and from someone who hates heat, Nashville is by far the most tolerable city in the south. Again, will have to take your word for it. Humid heat is what's awful. Dry heat is fine. I recently went to San Antonio, and the day I was there, it was 98 degrees and really humid. I used to live in Houston when I was a kid, but I've lived in the Mountain West ever since my sophomore year of high school. The one exception was for a few months when I was in Manhattan for an internship, but that was the spring, so it wasn't that hot yet. I had forgotten just how miserable it is to be in a place that is both hot and humid at the same time. Nebraska was still worse than Houston, though, because it's both hot and humid in the summer and cold and humid in the winter (that wind cuts right through you). Anyway, I've never been to Nashville, though I might soon, as my sister is seriously thinking about moving there from LA. |
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