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Post by bbg95 on Apr 28, 2022 19:07:48 GMT -5
Over under on number of NCAA tourney appearances for vandy in the first 10 years of the program. Bar is set at 3.5. I say…. Under. Initial excitement and transfers get them there but lack of support and turnover lead to their missing the cut. I will go under because that it is a formidable task for most schools that have an established program, and thus even tougher for a school building a program from scratch. Question for you - in this thread you've expressed the opinion in several posts that implies that you expect the new program to receive a lack of support. If that is accurate, what are the reasons for your opinion? Yeah, I think Vanderbilt has about as good a chance as any school that is building a program from scratch for exceeding that number. But as you said, it's a very difficult task, so it's hard for me to bet the over right now. Once I know who the coach and recruits are, I can reassess. |
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Post by haterade on Apr 28, 2022 20:11:23 GMT -5
Over under on number of NCAA tourney appearances for vandy in the first 10 years of the program. Bar is set at 3.5. I say…. Under. Initial excitement and transfers get them there but lack of support and turnover lead to their missing the cut. I will go under because that it is a formidable task for most schools that have an established program, and thus even tougher for a school building a program from scratch. Question for you - in this thread you've expressed the opinion in several posts that implies that you expect the new program to receive a lack of support. If that is accurate, what are the reasons for your opinion? No specific reason or axe to grind. Just dubious that never having one before shows a previous lack of interest and commitment. Haven’t seen or heard anything here to show why they’re adding one now. The athletic department is in a great conference for football tv money but so is Tennessee. Assuming the newness will wear off quickly. Now if they hire Erik Sullivan and throw a bunch of money at assistant coaches… I’ll be much more bullish. But only time will tell what assuming gets me. |
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Post by reader on Apr 28, 2022 20:29:24 GMT -5
If they get a good coach the portal can be a huge shortcut to relevance. But after a few years they'll be like anyone else and have to win the recruiting wars to build the program. The hire is the key.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 7:45:54 GMT -5
I just think the combination of Nashville + Vanderbilt education hits an incredible sweet spot in the demographics/culture for a lot of elite volleyball athletes and their parents (and it will only get sweeter as TX/GA/FL continue) that I don't think other high academic schools offer, and it particularly fits volleyball more than it does other sports. The potential is sky high here. I think Vandy'll support it because I think it has potential to be one of their best sports on campus. Duke volleyball? Northwestern volleyball? I mean it's one thing if an undergrad degree is universally recognized as elite, all over the country -- ie, Stanford. But isn't Vandy's main academic prowess in professional programs? Law and med? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 7:46:30 GMT -5
I will go under because that it is a formidable task for most schools that have an established program, and thus even tougher for a school building a program from scratch. Question for you - in this thread you've expressed the opinion in several posts that implies that you expect the new program to receive a lack of support. If that is accurate, what are the reasons for your opinion? Yeah, I think Vanderbilt has about as good a chance as any school that is building a program from scratch for exceeding that number. But as you said, it's a very difficult task, so it's hard for me to bet the over right now. Once I know who the coach and recruits are, I can reassess. They are in the right conference, though! Although I guess the Big XII will be getting easier to win. |
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Post by vbshrink on Apr 29, 2022 7:49:41 GMT -5
But isn't Vandy's main academic prowess in professional programs? Law and med? No, not really. It is widely seen as a first-rate, Ivy-caliber (or at least Ivy-adjacent) undergraduate institution. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 7:51:22 GMT -5
But isn't Vandy's main academic prowess in professional programs? Law and med? No, not really. It is widely seen as an first-rate, Ivy-caliber (or at least Ivy-adjacent) undergraduate institution. Really? What is its acceptance rate? I could just look this up. |
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Post by vbshrink on Apr 29, 2022 8:00:28 GMT -5
Really.
I am not well versed in Vandy's statistics regarding admission. I am speaking as a university professor. Vandy and Duke are widely acknowledged to be the most prestigious schools in "the South." Rival institutions will quibble with that, obviously, but that is the perception in academic circles (at least in my general area).
When I was considering my college choices (decades ago), my dad (also a professor, but much more of a snobby one lol) told me that the only schools I could apply to in the south were Duke and Vandy because all the other schools in the South were a joke. He was wrong about that, of course, but it goes to show what the perception was.
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Post by donut on Apr 29, 2022 9:43:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 10:14:48 GMT -5
Really. I am not well versed in Vandy's statistics regarding admission. I am speaking as a university professor. Vandy and Duke are widely acknowledged to be the most prestigious schools in "the South." Rival institutions will quibble with that, obviously, but that is the perception in academic circles (at least in my general area). When I was considering my college choices (decades ago), my dad (also a professor, but much more of a snobby one lol) told me that the only schools I could apply to in the south were Duke and Vandy because all the other schools in the South were a joke. He was wrong about that, of course, but it goes to show what the perception was. OK. Cool
I suppose depending on definition of "the south", Rice, American, and Washington are in there as well.
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Post by donut on Apr 29, 2022 10:30:10 GMT -5
Really. I am not well versed in Vandy's statistics regarding admission. I am speaking as a university professor. Vandy and Duke are widely acknowledged to be the most prestigious schools in "the South." Rival institutions will quibble with that, obviously, but that is the perception in academic circles (at least in my general area). When I was considering my college choices (decades ago), my dad (also a professor, but much more of a snobby one lol) told me that the only schools I could apply to in the south were Duke and Vandy because all the other schools in the South were a joke. He was wrong about that, of course, but it goes to show what the perception was. OK. Cool
I suppose depending on definition of "the south", Rice, American, and Washington are in there as well.
WashU and Rice (a bit more of a "niche" school) yeah. American? Not at all. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 29, 2022 10:30:15 GMT -5
I just think the combination of Nashville + Vanderbilt education hits an incredible sweet spot in the demographics/culture for a lot of elite volleyball athletes and their parents (and it will only get sweeter as TX/GA/FL continue) that I don't think other high academic schools offer, and it particularly fits volleyball more than it does other sports. The potential is sky high here. I think Vandy'll support it because I think it has potential to be one of their best sports on campus. Duke volleyball? Northwestern volleyball? I mean it's one thing if an undergrad degree is universally recognized as elite, all over the country -- ie, Stanford. But isn't Vandy's main academic prowess in professional programs? Law and med? Duke and NW don't hit the same way in the upper-class-Southerner demographic. And also, neither is in Nashville. I said the combo of the two, and no other high-academic institution has a location like that. |
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Post by donut on Apr 29, 2022 10:31:52 GMT -5
Duke volleyball? Northwestern volleyball? I mean it's one thing if an undergrad degree is universally recognized as elite, all over the country -- ie, Stanford. But isn't Vandy's main academic prowess in professional programs? Law and med? Duke and NW don't hit the same way in the upper-class-Southerner demographic. And also, neither is in Nashville. Fact: every Duke student is from Long Island |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 29, 2022 10:32:10 GMT -5
I just think the combination of Nashville + Vanderbilt education hits an incredible sweet spot in the demographics/culture for a lot of elite volleyball athletes and their parents (and it will only get sweeter as TX/GA/FL continue) that I don't think other high academic schools offer, and it particularly fits volleyball more than it does other sports. The potential is sky high here. I think Vandy'll support it because I think it has potential to be one of their best sports on campus. Duke volleyball? Northwestern volleyball? I mean it's one thing if an undergrad degree is universally recognized as elite, all over the country -- ie, Stanford. But isn't Vandy's main academic prowess in professional programs? Law and med? I definitely think Vanderbilt is widely perceived as elite academically, but as you said, Northwestern and Duke aren't dominant volleyball programs. Cal is also a great school, but their volleyball program isn't doing so well, and the only time they were elite at volleyball is when they had Carli Lloyd. Now, will Vanderbilt ultimately be better than Northwestern or Duke? Time will tell. They really need to make sure that they hire the right coach. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 10:39:38 GMT -5
Duke volleyball? Northwestern volleyball? I mean it's one thing if an undergrad degree is universally recognized as elite, all over the country -- ie, Stanford. But isn't Vandy's main academic prowess in professional programs? Law and med? Duke and NW don't hit the same way in the upper-class-Southerner demographic. And also, neither is in Nashville. I said the combo of the two, and no other high-academic institution has a location like that. What's so great about Nashville, other than the downtown bar scene. Great for a bachelorette party, I'm sure. Get towed around in the back of tractor, go to some big honky tonk bar, whatever it is they do.
Otherwise ... you're still in the south. It's still a hot, sticky mess of backwardsness. True though, on campus is probably much better in that regard.
I don't think elite athletes are going to have too much time to party. Probably more than zero, which is fine.
If I was going to base it on partying ... I'd take New Orleans any day of the week.
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