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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 15:35:21 GMT -5
Have they agreed to go to 9, though?
The "problem" with the SEC is that you have four teams locked into a year game with a team outside the conference: Geogia-Tech, Florida-State, SC-Clemson, and Kentucky-Lville. Those are like defacto +1 conf games.
Don't believe there has been any formal announcement on the number of conference games. Doubt there will be any announcements until the expansion year is finalized. If it nine, what is the problem of some schools having a fixed OOC game? Those series have been going on for decades. In fact, there likely will be two more. Texas has an agreement with Texas Tech for a 25 year series of games and I expect OU to make a similar agreement with Oklahoma State. That works fine for me. It's just a defacto 10 game (P5) "conf" schedule. Does Texas really care about playing Tech, that badly? Seems more like a politics induced lifetime to Tech, than anything. 😏
So the "problem" is some playing 9 while others play 10.
Alabama I think usually has scheduled another P5 in non-conf. Maybe all of the others could agree to do it. OU-Okla St is natural. So too would be Mizzou-KU, that should happen. Maybe Ole Miss-Memphis would "count". MSU or LSU vs Tulane. Etc.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 20, 2022 15:37:28 GMT -5
Hmm, Oklahoma actually has a really good men's gymnastics program with 12 national titles, including four straight from 2015 to 2018. Also, there are only 13 NCAA men's gymnastics programs. And men's volleyball thinks they have it bad. Anyway, I don't think they would drop men's wrestling either. If they were to drop a men's sport, I think something like tennis or indoor track would be more likely than either gymnastics or wrestling. I would think no chance at wrestling, even though that's probably the literally one sport that Okla St is currently superior at. (Probably was a time not too long ago when men's basketball was as well)
Did not know men's gym was that dominate at OU. In that case, probably not then.
But yes, dropping a men's sport as opposed to adding a women's is going to be their path of least resistance. Oklahoma State also has a really good cross country program, particularly on the men's side. I don't think Oklahoma has ever done much. |
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Post by donut on Apr 20, 2022 15:39:10 GMT -5
I would think no chance at wrestling, even though that's probably the literally one sport that Okla St is currently superior at. (Probably was a time not too long ago when men's basketball was as well)
Did not know men's gym was that dominate at OU. In that case, probably not then.
But yes, dropping a men's sport as opposed to adding a women's is going to be their path of least resistance. Oklahoma State also has a really good cross country program, particularly on the men's side. I don't think Oklahoma has ever done much. + as already pointed out, baseball. |
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Post by donut on Apr 20, 2022 15:39:31 GMT -5
Don't believe there has been any formal announcement on the number of conference games. Doubt there will be any announcements until the expansion year is finalized. If it nine, what is the problem of some schools having a fixed OOC game? Those series have been going on for decades. In fact, there likely will be two more. Texas has an agreement with Texas Tech for a 25 year series of games and I expect OU to make a similar agreement with Oklahoma State. Does Texas really care about playing Tech, that badly? Yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 15:40:55 GMT -5
I don't believe it for a second.
They didn't sign any such deals with A&M when they left.
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Post by donut on Apr 20, 2022 15:43:56 GMT -5
I don't believe it for a second. Ok? Completely different situation. Lots of bad blood in that departure. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 20, 2022 15:56:18 GMT -5
Don't believe there has been any formal announcement on the number of conference games. Doubt there will be any announcements until the expansion year is finalized. If it nine, what is the problem of some schools having a fixed OOC game? Those series have been going on for decades. In fact, there likely will be two more. Texas has an agreement with Texas Tech for a 25 year series of games and I expect OU to make a similar agreement with Oklahoma State. That works fine for me. It's just a defacto 10 game (P5) "conf" schedule. Does Texas really care about playing Tech, that badly? Seems more like a politics induced lifetime to Tech, than anything. 😏
So the "problem" is some playing 9 while others play 10.
Alabama I think usually has scheduled another P5 in non-conf. Maybe all of the others could agree to do it. OU-Okla St is natural. So too would be Mizzou-KU, that should happen. Maybe Ole Miss-Memphis would "count". MSU or LSU vs Tulane. Etc.
The OOC rivalry games are typically very favorable monetary games also - higher ticket prices, extra donations required for premium seat assignments, etc. When the college playoff is expanded, it is expected that there will be minimum scheduling requirements for P5 teams such as something like only one non-P5 opponent in OOC games. With the expected significant increases in at least the Big 10 and SEC TV contracts, I suspect the networks will want something like this. Most feel that the agreement with Tech was to help grease an earlier exit from the Big 12 and also politically helpful. It's not a bad series for us either. |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Apr 20, 2022 15:56:47 GMT -5
This could be huge. Vandy is an incredibly attractive academic option in a top conference and it looks like they plan to build it in a way that supports the sport. It will be interesting to see who they decide to hire. That's my initial reaction too, but then again I'm a Northwestern alum, and that program has never been able to really take advantage of the academic prestige. But, maybe Vandy will figure it out. Exciting to have another program in a major conference. Usually teams are being eliminated. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 20, 2022 15:58:07 GMT -5
I don't believe it for a second. Ok? Completely different situation. Lots of bad blood in that departure. Yep. Still lots of Texas alumni that would be happy if we never played the aggies (in football) again. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 20, 2022 16:08:41 GMT -5
That works fine for me. It's just a defacto 10 game (P5) "conf" schedule. Does Texas really care about playing Tech, that badly? Seems more like a politics induced lifetime to Tech, than anything. 😏
So the "problem" is some playing 9 while others play 10.
Alabama I think usually has scheduled another P5 in non-conf. Maybe all of the others could agree to do it. OU-Okla St is natural. So too would be Mizzou-KU, that should happen. Maybe Ole Miss-Memphis would "count". MSU or LSU vs Tulane. Etc.
The OOC rivalry games are typically very favorable monetary games also - higher ticket prices, extra donations required for premium seat assignments, etc. When the college playoff is expanded, it is expected that there will be minimum scheduling requirements for P5 teams such as something like only one non-P5 opponent in OOC games. With the expected significant increases in at least the Big 10 and SEC TV contracts, I suspect the networks will want something like this. Most feel that the agreement with Tech was to help grease an earlier exit from the Big 12 and also politically helpful. It's not a bad series for us either. I haven't been paying that close attention to football since the season ended. Do you have a source on this? If that is the case, I understand it from the perspective of the TV partners, but I would feel bad for the G5s, as it would be even harder to prove themselves. If the P5 schools are limited to only one non-P5 OOC opponent, I think the big teams are likely to opt for a weak G5 or an FCS school rather than a strong G5. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 20, 2022 16:45:22 GMT -5
The OOC rivalry games are typically very favorable monetary games also - higher ticket prices, extra donations required for premium seat assignments, etc. When the college playoff is expanded, it is expected that there will be minimum scheduling requirements for P5 teams such as something like only one non-P5 opponent in OOC games. With the expected significant increases in at least the Big 10 and SEC TV contracts, I suspect the networks will want something like this. Most feel that the agreement with Tech was to help grease an earlier exit from the Big 12 and also politically helpful. It's not a bad series for us either. I haven't been paying that close attention to football since the season ended. Do you have a source on this? If that is the case, I understand it from the perspective of the TV partners, but I would feel bad for the G5s, as it would be even harder to prove themselves. If the P5 schools are limited to only one non-P5 OOC opponent, I think the big teams are likely to opt for a weak G5 or an FCS school rather than a strong G5. I may have written this a little too "absolute". During the discussions last year of expanding the playoffs, it was mentioned several times that part of the discussion involved scheduling requirements. IIRC this was the one that was mentioned most often. Of course, it wasn't the only one mentioned. I suspect it's part of the desire by the P5 conferences to move toward autonomy, whether that is ultimate separation from the NCAA or at minimum their own division for football within the NCAA. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 20, 2022 20:27:14 GMT -5
I haven't been paying that close attention to football since the season ended. Do you have a source on this? If that is the case, I understand it from the perspective of the TV partners, but I would feel bad for the G5s, as it would be even harder to prove themselves. If the P5 schools are limited to only one non-P5 OOC opponent, I think the big teams are likely to opt for a weak G5 or an FCS school rather than a strong G5. I may have written this a little too "absolute". During the discussions last year of expanding the playoffs, it was mentioned several times that part of the discussion involved scheduling requirements. IIRC this was the one that was mentioned most often. Of course, it wasn't the only one mentioned. I suspect it's part of the desire by the P5 conferences to move toward autonomy, whether that is ultimate separation from the NCAA or at minimum their own division for football within the NCAA. I see. Yeah, I think a P5 breakoff is almost inevitable. I also think one super league with all the big football brands in about 20 years is fairly likely. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 20, 2022 21:41:55 GMT -5
I may have written this a little too "absolute". During the discussions last year of expanding the playoffs, it was mentioned several times that part of the discussion involved scheduling requirements. IIRC this was the one that was mentioned most often. Of course, it wasn't the only one mentioned. I suspect it's part of the desire by the P5 conferences to move toward autonomy, whether that is ultimate separation from the NCAA or at minimum their own division for football within the NCAA. I see. Yeah, I think a P5 breakoff is almost inevitable. I also think one super league with all the big football brands in about 20 years is fairly likely. How would a P5 breakoff be better for those conferences than what they have now? |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 20, 2022 21:55:38 GMT -5
I looked into which P5 schools don't currently have NCAA teams in the major non-basketball women's team sports (volleyball, softball and soccer).
Volleyball: Oklahoma State, Vanderbilt (obviously, this is about to change)
Soccer: Georgia Tech
Softball: USC, Colorado, Washington State, Kansas State, TCU, West Virginia, Vanderbilt, Miami, Wake Forest, Cincinnati (not a P5 just yet but soon)
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Post by trojansc on Apr 20, 2022 22:28:32 GMT -5
I looked into which P5 schools don't currently have NCAA teams in the major non-basketball women's team sports (volleyball, softball and soccer). Softball: USC, Colorado, Washington State, Kansas State, TCU, West Virginia, Vanderbilt, Cincinnati (not a P5 just yet but soon) Wake Forest and Miami-FL are two ACC teams without softball as well. I would have probably guessed Vanderbilt to add softball before volleyball just guessing off the top of my head. But, that is no knoweldge about the geography/potential facility situation that would factor into that decision. |
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