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Post by vb on Apr 20, 2022 22:40:47 GMT -5
So who are the front runners for head coach?
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 20, 2022 22:50:24 GMT -5
I looked into which P5 schools don't currently have NCAA teams in the major non-basketball women's team sports (volleyball, softball and soccer). Softball: USC, Colorado, Washington State, Kansas State, TCU, West Virginia, Vanderbilt, Cincinnati (not a P5 just yet but soon) Wake Forest and Miami-FL are two ACC teams without softball as well. I would have probably guessed Vanderbilt to add softball before volleyball just guessing off the top of my head. But, that is no knoweldge about the geography/potential facility situation that would factor into that decision. I see. Wikipedia led me astray. There's even a note saying that Clemson was the "last" ACC team that didn't sponsor softball. Thanks for the correction. |
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Post by donut on Apr 20, 2022 23:02:41 GMT -5
I looked into which P5 schools don't currently have NCAA teams in the major non-basketball women's team sports (volleyball, softball and soccer). Softball: USC, Colorado, Washington State, Kansas State, TCU, West Virginia, Vanderbilt, Cincinnati (not a P5 just yet but soon) Wake Forest and Miami-FL are two ACC teams without softball as well. I would have probably guessed Vanderbilt to add softball before volleyball just guessing off the top of my head. But, that is no knoweldge about the geography/potential facility situation that would factor into that decision. Vandy is an urban campus with little extra room. IIRC, most of the available land is technically under the control of the Med Center. Pretty sure Vandy has even stated in the past they lack space for a softball facility, making it unlikely. Concurrently with this, Vandy is building a brand new basketball facility, with new basketball office spaces and locker rooms. So it makes sense there’s a little extra room in Memorial for volleyball. |
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Post by ned3vball on Apr 21, 2022 5:59:26 GMT -5
Wow! I think that would be super attractive for alot of girls. Although I'm always a little surprised Northwestern doesn't have more success - big city, gorgeous facilities, outstanding acedemics and in a recruiting hotbed. Vandy would seem to be very similar. Outstanding academics can be a double edged sword. 2025 feels like a long way away. Is there a typical rule of thumb for a new program? Yes facilities would be a factor, but in this case theirs's will be ready before that I would think. Is the main reason to give the recruiting pipeline a chance to populate? I am assuming the coach will be hired early 2023(for club season) with a "fall" search announced? |
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Post by whatup on Apr 21, 2022 6:55:35 GMT -5
So who are the front runners for head coach? They will probably hire a okay head coach with head coaching experience but what they should do is hire someone that has a ton of experience and success recruiting and has been apart of staffs where they have had a lot of success training players and a lot of NCAA tournament success. |
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Apr 21, 2022 6:57:45 GMT -5
So who are the front runners for head coach? How attractive is it to build a program from scratch? Would think this would be a gig that would need quite a bit of runway to take off but could be fun to build. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 7:49:21 GMT -5
That works fine for me. It's just a defacto 10 game (P5) "conf" schedule. Does Texas really care about playing Tech, that badly? Seems more like a politics induced lifetime to Tech, than anything. 😏
So the "problem" is some playing 9 while others play 10.
Alabama I think usually has scheduled another P5 in non-conf. Maybe all of the others could agree to do it. OU-Okla St is natural. So too would be Mizzou-KU, that should happen. Maybe Ole Miss-Memphis would "count". MSU or LSU vs Tulane. Etc.
The OOC rivalry games are typically very favorable monetary games also - higher ticket prices, extra donations required for premium seat assignments, etc. When the college playoff is expanded, it is expected that there will be minimum scheduling requirements for P5 teams such as something like only one non-P5 opponent in OOC games. With the expected significant increases in at least the Big 10 and SEC TV contracts, I suspect the networks will want something like this. Most feel that the agreement with Tech was to help grease an earlier exit from the Big 12 and also politically helpful. It's not a bad series for us either. Thanks, good points. Makes sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 7:50:18 GMT -5
Still lots of Texas alumni that would be happy if we never played the aggies (in football) again. LOL Fair enough. Hatred is not logical. But would seem like if Georgia refused to play Florida, Bama refused to play Auburn, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 7:52:47 GMT -5
The OOC rivalry games are typically very favorable monetary games also - higher ticket prices, extra donations required for premium seat assignments, etc. When the college playoff is expanded, it is expected that there will be minimum scheduling requirements for P5 teams such as something like only one non-P5 opponent in OOC games. With the expected significant increases in at least the Big 10 and SEC TV contracts, I suspect the networks will want something like this. Most feel that the agreement with Tech was to help grease an earlier exit from the Big 12 and also politically helpful. It's not a bad series for us either. I haven't been paying that close attention to football since the season ended. Do you have a source on this? If that is the case, I understand it from the perspective of the TV partners, but I would feel bad for the G5s, as it would be even harder to prove themselves. If the P5 schools are limited to only one non-P5 OOC opponent, I think the big teams are likely to opt for a weak G5 or an FCS school rather than a strong G5. There could well be a reorganization coming, where the top NIL programs are put in or put themselves in a new division entirely. This could well be a subset of the P5.
Schools like Minnesota, Indiana, Miss St, NC State (just randomly grabbing some) are never going to be able to generate the NIL opportunities as the Ohio States, Bamas, and other elites.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 7:54:40 GMT -5
I haven't been paying that close attention to football since the season ended. Do you have a source on this? If that is the case, I understand it from the perspective of the TV partners, but I would feel bad for the G5s, as it would be even harder to prove themselves. If the P5 schools are limited to only one non-P5 OOC opponent, I think the big teams are likely to opt for a weak G5 or an FCS school rather than a strong G5. I may have written this a little too "absolute". During the discussions last year of expanding the playoffs, it was mentioned several times that part of the discussion involved scheduling requirements. IIRC this was the one that was mentioned most often. Of course, it wasn't the only one mentioned. I suspect it's part of the desire by the P5 conferences to move toward autonomy, whether that is ultimate separation from the NCAA or at minimum their own division for football within the NCAA. My personal opinion is, I think it would be great if football was its completely own thing.
All existing DI conference would simply persist as is .... except that none would sponsor football. Most of the realignment is based on football.
So let those elite X number of programs (30? 40? 50? whatever) form a new CFA, with a new multi-billion dollar TV contract with multiple partners. Similar to the NFL. And have that just be for football.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 7:58:10 GMT -5
I looked into which P5 schools don't currently have NCAA teams in the major non-basketball women's team sports (volleyball, softball and soccer). Softball: USC, Colorado, Washington State, Kansas State, TCU, West Virginia, Vanderbilt, Cincinnati (not a P5 just yet but soon) Wake Forest and Miami-FL are two ACC teams without softball as well. I would have probably guessed Vanderbilt to add softball before volleyball just guessing off the top of my head. But, that is no knoweldge about the geography/potential facility situation that would factor into that decision. I'm curious what girls volleyball (club and/or high school) participation is like in the deep south? I'm pretty sure Florida has good numbers. What about the rest of the deep south states? Does softball participation (vastly) outweigh vball participation? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 8:03:00 GMT -5
Vandy could build a softball field on "Lot 75" and then, for example, build a parking ramp at "Lot 74". It's just money, at the end of the day. Do they (or donors) want to spend it, or not.  |
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Post by donut on Apr 21, 2022 8:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 21, 2022 9:00:59 GMT -5
I may have written this a little too "absolute". During the discussions last year of expanding the playoffs, it was mentioned several times that part of the discussion involved scheduling requirements. IIRC this was the one that was mentioned most often. Of course, it wasn't the only one mentioned. I suspect it's part of the desire by the P5 conferences to move toward autonomy, whether that is ultimate separation from the NCAA or at minimum their own division for football within the NCAA. My personal opinion is, I think it would be great if football was its completely own thing.
All existing DI conference would simply persist as is .... except that none would sponsor football. Most of the realignment is based on football.
So let those elite X number of programs (30? 40? 50? whatever) form a new CFA, with a new multi-billion dollar TV contract with multiple partners. Similar to the NFL. And have that just be for football.
I wouldn't be surprised if something similar to this was eventually established. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 21, 2022 9:05:49 GMT -5
Wake Forest and Miami-FL are two ACC teams without softball as well. I would have probably guessed Vanderbilt to add softball before volleyball just guessing off the top of my head. But, that is no knoweldge about the geography/potential facility situation that would factor into that decision. I'm curious what girls volleyball (club and/or high school) participation is like in the deep south? I'm pretty sure Florida has good numbers. What about the rest of the deep south states? Does softball participation (vastly) outweigh vball participation? The NFHS does a survey about this each year. Here's the one from 2018-2019 (i.e. the last pre-Covid year). In SEC states (rounded to the nearest 10): State Softball Volleyball Difference
AL 9750 10310 VB +560
AK 4390 2920 SB +1470
FL 12670 20050 VB +7380
GA 7820 8700 VB +880
KY 5630 6260 VB +630
LA 6300 5070 SB +1230
MO 9310 10450 VB +1140
MS 4940 2810 SB +2130
OK 6500 3150 SB +3350
SC 4880 4970 VB +90
TN 6140 6810 VB +670
TX 35480 50500 VB +15020
Overall, if we exclude Texas, where volleyball has an enormous edge, there were about 3000 more volleyball players than softball players in those states. |
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