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Post by stevehorn on Apr 21, 2022 9:05:49 GMT -5
Still lots of Texas alumni that would be happy if we never played the aggies (in football) again. LOL Fair enough. Hatred is not logical. But would seem like if Georgia refused to play Florida, Bama refused to play Auburn, etc.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 21, 2022 9:20:59 GMT -5
It looks like Oklahoma State actually did consider adding women's volleyball about two decades ago, but they opted for equestrian instead. The cited reasons at the time were "lack of gym space" (?--many volleyball teams play in the basketball arena) and volleyball not being very popular in Oklahoma. Does anyone from the area know if volleyball has become significantly more popular in the intervening time? I couldn't find much in a Google search. I have no facts concerning your question, but I suspect it's not significantly more popular. Outside of OKC and Tulsa areas, Oklahoma is small towns and rural areas. Likely not much club ball outside OKC and Tulsa. I suspect Equestrian is good for their athletic donations. Pretty expensive sport and I suspect OSU gets some good donations from wealthy fathers making sure their darling daughter has a place on the team. In my research on another topic, I actually came across at least a partial answer to this one. In the article that I originally cited, it said that there were only 94 out of 470 high schools in Oklahoma playing volleyball at the time (c. 1999) and around 1600 participants. In the NFHS survey for the 2018-2019 year (i.e. the last pre-Covid year), those numbers had increased to 126 schools and 3152 participants. I'm not sure exactly how many high schools there were in Oklahoma in that year, but the current number being reported is 624. So in terms of percentages, it's actually about the same number of high schools sponsoring volleyball at around 20 percent. It looks like Oklahoma's overall population increased by about 18% in that time while the number of volleyball players in the state roughly doubled. So I would surmise that volleyball is more popular now than it was then, but it's still not especially popular overall. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 21, 2022 9:32:30 GMT -5
Ok? Completely different situation. Lots of bad blood in that departure. Yep. Still lots of Texas alumni that would be happy if we never played the aggies (in football) again. I totally understand the sentiment. I have a minority viewpoint on this subject, but I don't care if BYU ever plays Utah in football again. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 21, 2022 9:53:39 GMT -5
I have no facts concerning your question, but I suspect it's not significantly more popular. Outside of OKC and Tulsa areas, Oklahoma is small towns and rural areas. Likely not much club ball outside OKC and Tulsa. I suspect Equestrian is good for their athletic donations. Pretty expensive sport and I suspect OSU gets some good donations from wealthy fathers making sure their darling daughter has a place on the team. In my research on another topic, I actually came across at least a partial answer to this one. In the article that I originally cited, it said that there were only 94 out of 470 high schools in Oklahoma playing softball at the time (c. 1999) and around 1600 participants. In the NFHS survey for the 2018-2019 year (i.e. the last pre-Covid year), those numbers had increased to 126 schools and 3152 participants. I'm not sure exactly how many high schools there were in Oklahoma in that year, but the current number being reported is 624. So in terms of percentages, it's actually about the same number of high schools sponsoring volleyball at around 20 percent. It looks like Oklahoma's overall population increased by about 18% in that time while the number of volleyball players in the state roughly doubled. So I would surmise that volleyball is more popular now than it was then, but it's still not especially popular overall. In the table that you posted on the last page, it showed 6500 as the number of softball participants in Oklahoma. Which is correct? I'm not surprised at a surge in softball in Oklahoma due to OU's recent dominance in college softball. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 21, 2022 10:07:12 GMT -5
In my research on another topic, I actually came across at least a partial answer to this one. In the article that I originally cited, it said that there were only 94 out of 470 high schools in Oklahoma playing volleyball at the time (c. 1999) and around 1600 participants. In the NFHS survey for the 2018-2019 year (i.e. the last pre-Covid year), those numbers had increased to 126 schools and 3152 participants. I'm not sure exactly how many high schools there were in Oklahoma in that year, but the current number being reported is 624. So in terms of percentages, it's actually about the same number of high schools sponsoring volleyball at around 20 percent. It looks like Oklahoma's overall population increased by about 18% in that time while the number of volleyball players in the state roughly doubled. So I would surmise that volleyball is more popular now than it was then, but it's still not especially popular overall. In the table that you posted on the last page, it showed 6500 as the number of softball participants in Oklahoma. Which is correct? I'm not surprised at a surge in softball in Oklahoma due to OU's recent dominance in college softball. I'm not sure I understand the question. Roughly 6500 for softball, 3150 for volleyball. I posted the table in response to a question about the popularity of volleyball versus softball in the South. The post you quoted was about the increase in popularity of volleyball in Oklahoma specifically. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 21, 2022 10:09:14 GMT -5
In the table that you posted on the last page, it showed 6500 as the number of softball participants in Oklahoma. Which is correct? I'm not surprised at a surge in softball in Oklahoma due to OU's recent dominance in college softball. I'm not sure I understand the question. Roughly 6500 for softball, 3150 for volleyball or at least that's how I read it. If I am reading the post correctly that I quoted, you stated that high school softball participation was 3152. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 21, 2022 10:10:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand the question. Roughly 6500 for softball, 3150 for volleyball or at least that's how I read it. If I am reading the post correctly that I quoted, you stated that high school softball participation was 3152. Argh. That should say volleyball, not softball. I'll fix it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 10:22:15 GMT -5
I'm curious what girls volleyball (club and/or high school) participation is like in the deep south? I'm pretty sure Florida has good numbers. What about the rest of the deep south states? Does softball participation (vastly) outweigh vball participation? The NFHS does a survey about this each year. Here's the one from 2018-2019 (i.e. the last pre-Covid year). In SEC states (rounded to the nearest 10): State Softball Volleyball Difference
AL 9750 10310 VB +560
AK 4390 2920 SB +1470
FL 12670 20050 VB +7380
GA 7820 8700 VB +880
KY 5630 6260 VB +630
LA 6300 5070 SB +1230
MO 9310 10450 VB +1140
MS 4940 2810 SB +2130
OK 6500 3150 SB +3350
SC 4880 4970 VB +90
TN 6140 6810 VB +670
TX 35480 50500 VB +15020
Overall, if we exclude Texas, where volleyball has an enormous edge, there were about 3000 more volleyball players than softball players in those states. Thanks!
I personally wouldn't include MO, KY, OK, or TX formally in the "deep south", but how you framed it of "SEC states" is very reasonable.
Interesting that the big softball leaders, other than Okla which you supposed in another post was due to OU's fantastic program and that makes sense, are Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana. I wonder why it doesn't hold in Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, and South Carolina.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 21, 2022 10:25:02 GMT -5
If I am reading the post correctly that I quoted, you stated that high school softball participation was 3152. Argh. That should say volleyball, not softball. I'll fix it. Frankly I'm shocked that only about 20% of the high schools in Oklahoma have volleyball teams. I would expect that most of the increase in high schools in Oklahoma between 1999 and the latest numbers are in private schools and most likely smaller church-related schools. However the % of schools having a team has stayed roughly the same. Seems to indicate that volleyball is not popular (relatively) in the state and likely still the same. With not a lot of schools adding teams in that period, I'm guessing the doubling in participation has mostly occurred in the urban/suburban schools that were already playing volleyball (also the areas where you find the vast majority of volleyball clubs). |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 21, 2022 10:26:51 GMT -5
The NFHS does a survey about this each year. Here's the one from 2018-2019 (i.e. the last pre-Covid year). In SEC states (rounded to the nearest 10): State Softball Volleyball Difference
AL 9750 10310 VB +560
AK 4390 2920 SB +1470
FL 12670 20050 VB +7380
GA 7820 8700 VB +880
KY 5630 6260 VB +630
LA 6300 5070 SB +1230
MO 9310 10450 VB +1140
MS 4940 2810 SB +2130
OK 6500 3150 SB +3350
SC 4880 4970 VB +90
TN 6140 6810 VB +670
TX 35480 50500 VB +15020
Overall, if we exclude Texas, where volleyball has an enormous edge, there were about 3000 more volleyball players than softball players in those states. Thanks!
I personally wouldn't include MO, KY, OK, or TX formally in the "deep south", but how you framed it of "SEC states" is very reasonable.
Interesting that the big softball leaders, other than Okla which you supposed in another post was due to OU's fantastic program and that makes sense, are Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana. I wonder why it doesn't hold in Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, and South Carolina.
Yeah, I didn't know where to make that distinction. Like I don't even really consider Florida to be "deep South" either, so I just went SEC. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 21, 2022 10:28:05 GMT -5
The NFHS does a survey about this each year. Here's the one from 2018-2019 (i.e. the last pre-Covid year). In SEC states (rounded to the nearest 10): State Softball Volleyball Difference
AL 9750 10310 VB +560
AK 4390 2920 SB +1470
FL 12670 20050 VB +7380
GA 7820 8700 VB +880
KY 5630 6260 VB +630
LA 6300 5070 SB +1230
MO 9310 10450 VB +1140
MS 4940 2810 SB +2130
OK 6500 3150 SB +3350
SC 4880 4970 VB +90
TN 6140 6810 VB +670
TX 35480 50500 VB +15020
Overall, if we exclude Texas, where volleyball has an enormous edge, there were about 3000 more volleyball players than softball players in those states. Thanks!
I personally wouldn't include MO, KY, OK, or TX formally in the "deep south", but how you framed it of "SEC states" is very reasonable.
Interesting that the big softball leaders, other than Okla which you supposed in another post was due to OU's fantastic program and that makes sense, are Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana. I wonder why it doesn't hold in Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, and South Carolina.
My guess would be somewhat related to the percentage of population in larger urban/suburban areas. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 10:29:11 GMT -5
Argh. That should say volleyball, not softball. I'll fix it. Frankly I'm shocked that only about 20% of the high schools in Oklahoma have volleyball teams. I would expect that most of the increase in high schools in Oklahoma between 1999 and the latest numbers are in private schools and most likely smaller church-related schools. However the % of schools having a team has stayed roughly the same. Seems to indicate that volleyball is not popular (relatively) in the state and likely still the same. With not a lot of schools adding teams in that period, I'm guessing the doubling in participation has mostly occurred in the urban/suburban schools that were already playing volleyball (also the areas where you find the vast majority of volleyball clubs). Would be interesting for someone to look into why volleyball is not (has never been?) popular in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, when it is (relatively or absolutely) in Kentucky, Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 21, 2022 10:30:31 GMT -5
Argh. That should say volleyball, not softball. I'll fix it. Frankly I'm shocked that only about 20% of the high schools in Oklahoma have volleyball teams. I would expect that most of the increase in high schools in Oklahoma between 1999 and the latest numbers are in private schools and most likely smaller church-related schools. However the % of schools having a team has stayed roughly the same. Seems to indicate that volleyball is not popular (relatively) in the state and likely still the same. With not a lot of schools adding teams in that period, I'm guessing the doubling in participation has mostly occurred in the urban/suburban schools that were already playing volleyball (also the areas where you find the vast majority of volleyball clubs). Yeah, I think those are very reasonable conclusions based on the data. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 10:31:57 GMT -5
Thanks!
I personally wouldn't include MO, KY, OK, or TX formally in the "deep south", but how you framed it of "SEC states" is very reasonable.
Interesting that the big softball leaders, other than Okla which you supposed in another post was due to OU's fantastic program and that makes sense, are Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana. I wonder why it doesn't hold in Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, and South Carolina.
My guess would be somewhat related to the percentage of population in larger urban/suburban areas. Makes some sense for OK and particularly Ark and Miss. But LA has New Orleans and Baton Rouge? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 10:34:19 GMT -5
Do wonder how much a factor (could easily be little to none, I don't know) it is that Black girls have historically been "funneled into" or preferred playing basketball over volleyball? And/or had an attitude of "that's a white girl's game, we don't play that"?
I'm making that up out of thin air.
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