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Post by stevehorn on Apr 21, 2022 10:53:39 GMT -5
Do wonder how much a factor (could easily be little to none, I don't know) it is that Black girls have historically been "funneled into" or preferred playing basketball over volleyball? And/or had an attitude of "that's a white girl's game, we don't play that"? I'm making that up out of thin air. Actually that is a real thing. I've heard a number of black players at Texas that are from this area make the comment of being made fun of or harassed by other black students when they started to play volleyball. Then add in the economic conditions for many blacks in the rural areas of the South (inability to pay for club) and it even more skews interest toward basketball. This is likely the reason why volleyball participation is low in New Orleans/Baton Rouge given the high % of minorities and relatively low economic conditions. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 10:58:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments.
Hope USA Vball and whomever can gradually fight back against that, and get as many Black, and POC in general, interested in the sport as possible.
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Post by nellynel on Apr 21, 2022 12:59:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments.
Hope USA Vball and whomever can gradually fight back against that, and get as many Black, and POC in general, interested in the sport as possible.
With respect to your comet about Texas not being in the south there is a significant part of Texas that has more things in common with Louisiana and or Alabama than Austin or El Paso. It’s a big state and I would not classify the entire state as south or deep south but a good chunk of it is. I’m not saying that as good or bad, more of a comment on geography. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 21, 2022 13:40:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments.
Hope USA Vball and whomever can gradually fight back against that, and get as many Black, and POC in general, interested in the sport as possible.
With respect to your comet about Texas not being in the south there is a significant part of Texas that has more things in common with Louisiana and or Alabama than Austin or El Paso. It’s a big state and I would not classify the entire state as south or deep south but a good chunk of it is. I’m not saying that as good or bad, more of a comment on geography. But that area is no longer a significant percentage of the population of Texas. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 21, 2022 13:45:11 GMT -5
Women basketball coaches are watching tremendous black student-athletes leave their sport to play volleyball at an alarming pace. This is fact. The trend of top talent choosing volleyball over basketball has been going on for a while on the women's side. Unlike on the men's side, there isn't an enormous potential earnings differential between basketball and volleyball, so players can opt for the sport they enjoy more with less financial considerations. I expect that this trend will only continue in the future as volleyball continues to increase in popularity and visibility. Edit: I should say less financial considerations in terms of earning potential. Volleyball does seem to be more expensive to participate in. |
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Post by nellynel on Apr 21, 2022 13:51:31 GMT -5
With respect to your comet about Texas not being in the south there is a significant part of Texas that has more things in common with Louisiana and or Alabama than Austin or El Paso. It’s a big state and I would not classify the entire state as south or deep south but a good chunk of it is. I’m not saying that as good or bad, more of a comment on geography. But that area is no longer a significant percentage of the population of Texas. Neither does West Texas which makes up most of the land mass. You are correct the majority of the population largely lives along the I-35 corridor from Dallas to San Antonio plus the Houston area but East Texas (Tyler, Lufkin, Nacogdoches, etc) have historically produced a disproportionate share of DI football players in the demographics you were discussing and I would say those area are the south. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 21, 2022 14:08:06 GMT -5
But that area is no longer a significant percentage of the population of Texas. Neither does West Texas which makes up most of the land mass. You are correct the majority of the population largely lives along the I-35 corridor from Dallas to San Antonio plus the Houston area but East Texas (Tyler, Lufkin, Nacogdoches, etc) have historically produced a disproportionate share of DI football players in the demographics you were discussing and I would say those area are the south. That is accurate, though now succeed or fail in football recruiting with how well you recruit the big metro areas. The discussion in the last few pages has been volleyball participation in high school vs. other girl's sports and in that discussion, Texas is significantly different from the deep South. |
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Post by nellynel on Apr 21, 2022 14:49:09 GMT -5
Neither does West Texas which makes up most of the land mass. You are correct the majority of the population largely lives along the I-35 corridor from Dallas to San Antonio plus the Houston area but East Texas (Tyler, Lufkin, Nacogdoches, etc) have historically produced a disproportionate share of DI football players in the demographics you were discussing and I would say those area are the south. That is accurate, though now succeed or fail in football recruiting with how well you recruit the big metro areas. The discussion in the last few pages has been volleyball participation in high school vs. other girl's sports and in that discussion, Texas is significantly different from the deep South. Argree, I don’t follow HS volleyball but looking at where recruits are from the metro areas defiantly dominate Texas HS volleyball and I’m just saying if these east Texas areas (that I wouldn’t hesitate to call south) had an increase/importance, emphasis, etc, in HS volleyball they could possibly have a disproportionate amount of D1 volleyball players per population just like they do in football. |
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Post by volleyaudience on Apr 21, 2022 15:22:34 GMT -5
How would you approach or organize this if you took this job now and the team does not compete until 2025?
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Post by Friday on Apr 21, 2022 20:52:59 GMT -5
Volleyball is the most popular sport right now and still going up. Basketball and softball are on the way down. Getting in on volleyball is a smarter move. And they have a gym that they could make work which would be much more economical than building a softball stadium.
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Post by volleyballer8992 on Apr 21, 2022 22:22:00 GMT -5
How would you approach or organize this if you took this job now and the team does not compete until 2025? I think it all depends. Are any type of competitions allowed prior to 25’? Can they compete in Spring and sell the Vandy education to some 24’ prospects to train for a full year and prep? Obviously focusing on the 25’ class will be the number one priority for the coaching staff once hired, along with utilizing the transfer portal. The location is great and a huge draw for athletes interested in that environment, could be a huge NIL opportunity for that school as well. Exciting to see regardless, each year I had to remind myself they didn’t have a program, because like why wouldn’t they. |
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Post by USC✌🏼 on Apr 22, 2022 2:18:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 8:31:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments.
Hope USA Vball and whomever can gradually fight back against that, and get as many Black, and POC in general, interested in the sport as possible.
With respect to your comet about Texas not being in the south there is a significant part of Texas that has more things in common with Louisiana and or Alabama than Austin or El Paso. It’s a big state and I would not classify the entire state as south or deep south but a good chunk of it is. I’m not saying that as good or bad, more of a comment on geography. It is a huge state and fair enough. Thanks for your comments.
It was just interesting to me how much states like Arkansas, Mississippi, and Louisiana are "behind" in volleyball relative to softball, when other deep south states are even or leading in vball. Stevehorn brought up the idea of vball being focused in urban/suburban areas, which could well be true, and also an idea about why that doesn't work as well for New Orleans.
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Post by nellynel on Apr 22, 2022 8:48:32 GMT -5
With respect to your comet about Texas not being in the south there is a significant part of Texas that has more things in common with Louisiana and or Alabama than Austin or El Paso. It’s a big state and I would not classify the entire state as south or deep south but a good chunk of it is. I’m not saying that as good or bad, more of a comment on geography. It is a huge state and fair enough. Thanks for your comments.
It was just interesting to me how much states like Arkansas, Mississippi, and Louisiana are "behind" in volleyball relative to softball, when other deep south states are even or leading in vball. Stevehorn brought up the idea of vball being focused in urban/suburban areas, which could well be true, and also an idea about why that doesn't work as well for New Orleans.
He is correct, the areas of Texas I’m referring to are very similar to Arkansas and Louisiana and just looking at where Texas volleyball recruits come from I would say those areas haven’t developed volleyball like the metro areas but I’m hoping they do. Football and track (basketball to some extent) track dominate those areas when you look at D1 athletes produced. Different sport but with much bigger teams but UT football has highly recruited players from Arp, Port Neches (2), Port Arthur (2), Carthage, Tyler, Lufkin, and Huntsville, sure A&M have more from those areas if I looked. And since females make up 50-51% of the population it seems reasonable to me that an investment in volleyball in those areas could produce more D1 volleyball players than they do now which would be great for the sport and allow schools like a new Vanderbilt program or Texas additional recruiting opportunities. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 12:29:14 GMT -5
It is a huge state and fair enough. Thanks for your comments.
It was just interesting to me how much states like Arkansas, Mississippi, and Louisiana are "behind" in volleyball relative to softball, when other deep south states are even or leading in vball. Stevehorn brought up the idea of vball being focused in urban/suburban areas, which could well be true, and also an idea about why that doesn't work as well for New Orleans.
He is correct, the areas of Texas I’m referring to are very similar to Arkansas and Louisiana and just looking at where Texas volleyball recruits come from I would say those areas haven’t developed volleyball like the metro areas but I’m hoping they do. Football and track (basketball to some extent) track dominate those areas when you look at D1 athletes produced. Different sport but with much bigger teams but UT football has highly recruited players from Arp, Port Neches (2), Port Arthur (2), Carthage, Tyler, Lufkin, and Huntsville, sure A&M have more from those areas if I looked. And since females make up 50-51% of the population it seems reasonable to me that an investment in volleyball in those areas could produce more D1 volleyball players than they do now which would be great for the sport and allow schools like a new Vanderbilt program or Texas additional recruiting opportunities. In those areas you list, how many DI female athletes are recruited by UT, A&M, etc? And what are those sports largely, track and basketball?
Bball is winter and track is spring, I believe in most places. And vball is in the fall. Seems like a natural candidate to fill in the gap, and wouldn't necessarily overlap for gym space with bball. It would more than zero, but not sure how much the seasons would.
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