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Post by bbg95 on Apr 22, 2022 13:56:02 GMT -5
He is correct, the areas of Texas I’m referring to are very similar to Arkansas and Louisiana and just looking at where Texas volleyball recruits come from I would say those areas haven’t developed volleyball like the metro areas but I’m hoping they do. Football and track (basketball to some extent) track dominate those areas when you look at D1 athletes produced. Different sport but with much bigger teams but UT football has highly recruited players from Arp, Port Neches (2), Port Arthur (2), Carthage, Tyler, Lufkin, and Huntsville, sure A&M have more from those areas if I looked. And since females make up 50-51% of the population it seems reasonable to me that an investment in volleyball in those areas could produce more D1 volleyball players than they do now which would be great for the sport and allow schools like a new Vanderbilt program or Texas additional recruiting opportunities. In those areas you list, how many DI female athletes are recruited by UT, A&M, etc? And what are those sports largely, track and basketball?
Bball is winter and track is spring, I believe in most places. And vball is in the fall. Seems like a natural candidate to fill in the gap, and wouldn't necessarily overlap for gym space with bball. It would more than zero, but not sure how much the seasons would.
I would guess that softball may be fairly big in this part of Texas. I looked at the Texas roster, and they have some players from this area (two for sure and another from a small town that's about 30 miles east of Houston but also strikes me as the kind of place that is probably pretty rural). As noted, softball has more participants than volleyball in both Louisiana and Arkansas, so it would stand to reason that a part of Texas similar to those states might also. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 22, 2022 14:13:14 GMT -5
He is correct, the areas of Texas I’m referring to are very similar to Arkansas and Louisiana and just looking at where Texas volleyball recruits come from I would say those areas haven’t developed volleyball like the metro areas but I’m hoping they do. Football and track (basketball to some extent) track dominate those areas when you look at D1 athletes produced. Different sport but with much bigger teams but UT football has highly recruited players from Arp, Port Neches (2), Port Arthur (2), Carthage, Tyler, Lufkin, and Huntsville, sure A&M have more from those areas if I looked. And since females make up 50-51% of the population it seems reasonable to me that an investment in volleyball in those areas could produce more D1 volleyball players than they do now which would be great for the sport and allow schools like a new Vanderbilt program or Texas additional recruiting opportunities. In those areas you list, how many DI female athletes are recruited by UT, A&M, etc? And what are those sports largely, track and basketball?
Bball is winter and track is spring, I believe in most places. And vball is in the fall. Seems like a natural candidate to fill in the gap, and wouldn't necessarily overlap for gym space with bball. It would more than zero, but not sure how much the seasons would.
Most public high schools in these areas play volleyball. I would expect there are very few that play girl's basketball, but not volleyball. The big differentiator in volleyball is club. In these areas, many girls are a long ways from a major city, probably a higher % have family incomes that don't afford a high level club fee, and a higher % black population where volleyball is not as popular so they spend more time on other sports. Also many of these schools are smaller where most top athletes are playing multiple sports rather than specializing in one. |
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Post by nellynel on Apr 22, 2022 14:25:53 GMT -5
He is correct, the areas of Texas I’m referring to are very similar to Arkansas and Louisiana and just looking at where Texas volleyball recruits come from I would say those areas haven’t developed volleyball like the metro areas but I’m hoping they do. Football and track (basketball to some extent) track dominate those areas when you look at D1 athletes produced. Different sport but with much bigger teams but UT football has highly recruited players from Arp, Port Neches (2), Port Arthur (2), Carthage, Tyler, Lufkin, and Huntsville, sure A&M have more from those areas if I looked. And since females make up 50-51% of the population it seems reasonable to me that an investment in volleyball in those areas could produce more D1 volleyball players than they do now which would be great for the sport and allow schools like a new Vanderbilt program or Texas additional recruiting opportunities. In those areas you list, how many DI female athletes are recruited by UT, A&M, etc? And what are those sports largely, track and basketball?
Bball is winter and track is spring, I believe in most places. And vball is in the fall. Seems like a natural candidate to fill in the gap, and wouldn't necessarily overlap for gym space with bball. It would more than zero, but not sure how much the seasons would.
I’d have to check and bbg95 bring up a good point on softball which I’m not as familiar with. I know anecdotally just because I enjoy track, east/southeast Texas high schools usually have heavy male and female participation in the Texas Relays and would guess they see a disproportionate share of D1 track scholarships per population. It’s been a few years since I have been just due to schedules and I always enjoy it, in many respects it is like the Kentucky Derby for black people in Texas. It’s a huge event. My wife would always made fun of me when I was younger for being in the stands with a bunch of old guys from those cities I listed holding stop watches on every event. If a city like Port Arthur is capable of producing an all-American football player that made several NFL All-Pro teams, won the B12 100m sprint title his freshman year (Jamal Charles but you could go on) I can’t believe the same areas couldn’t produce an all-American OH, Libero, etc. if it developed its high-school and club volleyball. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 22, 2022 14:39:29 GMT -5
In those areas you list, how many DI female athletes are recruited by UT, A&M, etc? And what are those sports largely, track and basketball?
Bball is winter and track is spring, I believe in most places. And vball is in the fall. Seems like a natural candidate to fill in the gap, and wouldn't necessarily overlap for gym space with bball. It would more than zero, but not sure how much the seasons would.
I’d have to check and bbg95 bring up a good point on softball which I’m not as familiar with. I know anecdotally just because I enjoy track, east/southeast Texas high schools usually have heavy male and female participation in the Texas Relays and would guess they see a disproportionate share of D1 track scholarships per population. It’s been a few years since I have been just due to schedules and I always enjoy it, in many respects it is like the Kentucky Derby for black people in Texas. It’s a huge event. My wife would always made fun of me when I was younger for being in the stands with a bunch of old guys from those cities I listed holding stop watches on every event. If a city like Port Arthur is capable of producing an all-American football player that made several NFL All-Pro teams, won the B12 100m sprint title his freshman year (Jamal Charles but you could go on) I can’t believe the same areas couldn’t produce an all-American OH, Libero, etc. if it developed its high-school and club volleyball. I really enjoy track also. I think it's probably the most pure sport in philosophy. Just how fast can you run, how high can you jump, how far can you throw an object, etc. I don't think I've seen you over on the track thread on Off the Net, but I'd always like to see more people commenting over there. Outdoor nationals is less than two months away, and that's always one of my favorite sporting events of the entire calendar. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 22, 2022 14:46:25 GMT -5
In those areas you list, how many DI female athletes are recruited by UT, A&M, etc? And what are those sports largely, track and basketball?
Bball is winter and track is spring, I believe in most places. And vball is in the fall. Seems like a natural candidate to fill in the gap, and wouldn't necessarily overlap for gym space with bball. It would more than zero, but not sure how much the seasons would.
I’d have to check and bbg95 bring up a good point on softball which I’m not as familiar with. Softball is bigger in East Texas than Southeast Texas. |
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Post by nellynel on Apr 22, 2022 14:49:29 GMT -5
I’d have to check and bbg95 bring up a good point on softball which I’m not as familiar with. I know anecdotally just because I enjoy track, east/southeast Texas high schools usually have heavy male and female participation in the Texas Relays and would guess they see a disproportionate share of D1 track scholarships per population. It’s been a few years since I have been just due to schedules and I always enjoy it, in many respects it is like the Kentucky Derby for black people in Texas. It’s a huge event. My wife would always made fun of me when I was younger for being in the stands with a bunch of old guys from those cities I listed holding stop watches on every event. If a city like Port Arthur is capable of producing an all-American football player that made several NFL All-Pro teams, won the B12 100m sprint title his freshman year (Jamal Charles but you could go on) I can’t believe the same areas couldn’t produce an all-American OH, Libero, etc. if it developed its high-school and club volleyball. I really enjoy track also. I think it's probably the most pure sport in philosophy. Just how fast can you run, how high can you jump, how far can you throw an object, etc. I don't think I've seen you over on the track thread on Off the Net, but I'd always like to see more people commenting over there. Outdoor nationals is less than two months away, and that's always one of my favorite sporting events of the entire calendar. 100% agree on the pure sport factor. I didn’t know there was a track thread. I peaked at the off the net side quickly once and thought I don’t want any part of that. Guess I’ll give it another peak. Lol |
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Post by nellynel on Apr 22, 2022 15:24:15 GMT -5
Anyways I digress. Good on Vanderbilt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 15:41:11 GMT -5
I’d have to check and bbg95 bring up a good point on softball which I’m not as familiar with. I know anecdotally just because I enjoy track, east/southeast Texas high schools usually have heavy male and female participation in the Texas Relays and would guess they see a disproportionate share of D1 track scholarships per population. It’s been a few years since I have been just due to schedules and I always enjoy it, in many respects it is like the Kentucky Derby for black people in Texas. It’s a huge event. My wife would always made fun of me when I was younger for being in the stands with a bunch of old guys from those cities I listed holding stop watches on every event. If a city like Port Arthur is capable of producing an all-American football player that made several NFL All-Pro teams, won the B12 100m sprint title his freshman year (Jamal Charles but you could go on) I can’t believe the same areas couldn’t produce an all-American OH, Libero, etc. if it developed its high-school and club volleyball. I really enjoy track also. I think it's probably the most pure sport in philosophy. Just how fast can you run, how high can you jump, how far can you throw an object, etc. I don't think I've seen you over on the track thread on Off the Net, but I'd always like to see more people commenting over there. Outdoor nationals is less than two months away, and that's always one of my favorite sporting events of the entire calendar. I'll be visiting with old (literally) track buddies in a week at the Penn Relays. Still the best (in my totally biased opinion). Certainly the best for meeting amazingly knowledgeable and nice Jamaican former track athletes and current coaches! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 17:07:45 GMT -5
Thanks for all the great comments!
If anyone wants to restart the Vanderbilt discussion, go ahead. No one is stopping anyone, there. Usually when people aren't discussing the thread topic, it's because there's nothing new/interesting to talk about on it at the moment.
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Post by paloalto on Apr 25, 2022 16:25:15 GMT -5
How does recruiting usually work with adding a new team? Do they only recruit 2025 and younger? Get a few 2025s and hit the transfer portal? Go for some 2024s and they sit a year? Was wondering this myself. I'm going to assume they will start with some 2024s and redshirt them. I only read the first page of the thread so this may have been addressed. The first year of play for Vanderbilt is 2025/2026. Would they recruit 2024s, give them a scholarship, and have them just practice and play some unofficial exhibition matches for a year? |
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Post by n00b on Apr 25, 2022 16:46:44 GMT -5
Was wondering this myself. I'm going to assume they will start with some 2024s and redshirt them. I only read the first page of the thread so this may have been addressed. The first year of play for Vanderbilt is 2025/2026. Would they recruit 2024s, give them a scholarship, and have them just practice and play some unofficial exhibition matches for a year? Yes |
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Post by redcard🏐 on Apr 25, 2022 17:54:56 GMT -5
Was wondering this myself. I'm going to assume they will start with some 2024s and redshirt them. I only read the first page of the thread so this may have been addressed. The first year of play for Vanderbilt is 2025/2026. Would they recruit 2024s, give them a scholarship, and have them just practice and play some unofficial exhibition matches for a year? I would guess it will track similarly to Old Dominion. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 25, 2022 18:21:50 GMT -5
I only read the first page of the thread so this may have been addressed. The first year of play for Vanderbilt is 2025/2026. Would they recruit 2024s, give them a scholarship, and have them just practice and play some unofficial exhibition matches for a year? I would guess it will track similarly to Old Dominion. Do you have any idea what they did? |
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Post by n00b on Apr 25, 2022 18:29:47 GMT -5
I would guess it will track similarly to Old Dominion. Do you have any idea what they did? In their first season, they had 5 true freshmen, 5 redshirt freshmen, two junior transfers (one JuCo, one 4-year), and one grad transfer. Edit: they also had one redshirt sophomore. Not quite sure how that worked for her. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 25, 2022 18:34:19 GMT -5
Do you have any idea what they did? In their first season, they had 5 true freshmen, 5 redshirt freshmen, two junior transfers (one JuCo, one 4-year), and one grad transfer. Edit: they also had one redshirt sophomore. Not quite sure how that worked for her. Do you know how they handled almost all of the team being in one class (true freshmen plus redshirt freshmen)? That appears to create a situation where they didn't have many open ships for three years and then almost all of the team leaving at one time. |
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