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Post by Riviera Minestrone on May 3, 2022 18:58:26 GMT -5
Over the next 5 years we will see what new coaches step up. New: Michigan St, Penn State, Iowa. Next is the returning coaches trying to crack the top half: Maryland, Northwestern, Rutgers, Indiana. Do any of these 7 replace the other 7? Hard to guess that.
. Sure, but their trajectory was already heading down since that ill-fated National Semi v. NEB in 2017. I watched their Regional Finals v. Stanford in both 2018 and '19. Very bitter rivalry; being an SU guy, I cherished beating them (finally!) both times. I loved RR, but the cheerleaders, ACs and fans? Nope! Without Parker, the future wasn't looking good anyway...then the tide rushed out with Rose's retirement. Historically, what Russ did in State College was nothing short of miraculous. I feel that, even with the transfers to offset their humongous losses, it will take years for Penn State to rebound into the conversation re: upper echelon contenders. If Thelen hadn't tripped Detering on match point against NEB? PSU's 8th natty? |
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Post by volleyaudience on May 4, 2022 16:18:19 GMT -5
Who is most likely to move up? I know everyone wants to do better. I am interested to see if the new Michigan State coaches will perform well enough to move into the top half.
I am also interested to see if Illinois, Ohio State and Purdue can keep improving. And I am very interested to see how the new Penn State coaches do with their reconstructoed team. We all know Penn State has not been seen as one of the top three teams nationally for the past few years, but they have stayed in the top half of the Big Ten for well over a decade. Can the new group keep them there?
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Post by knapplc on May 4, 2022 16:29:46 GMT -5
Sure, but their trajectory was already heading down since that ill-fated National Semi v. NEB in 2017. I watched their Regional Finals v. Stanford in both 2018 and '19. Very bitter rivalry; being an SU guy, I cherished beating them (finally!) both times. I loved RR, but the cheerleaders, ACs and fans? Nope! Without Parker, the future wasn't looking good anyway...then the tide rushed out with Rose's retirement. Historically, what Russ did in State College was nothing short of miraculous. I feel that, even with the transfers to offset their humongous losses, it will take years for Penn State to rebound into the conversation re: upper echelon contenders. How much of the downturn since 2017 was because of the belief that Russ was going to retire before a recruit finished her career? I think there's a bit of chicken/egg argument there. The thing Penn State has going for it is its fan base. Those folks are as dedicated and loyal as any in the country, and their NIL clout will drive recruits to the team. Any coach going to any blue-blood with a massive fan base starts out way ahead because of NIL. |
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Post by Kearney Kingston on May 4, 2022 21:35:55 GMT -5
Sure, but their trajectory was already heading down since that ill-fated National Semi v. NEB in 2017. I watched their Regional Finals v. Stanford in both 2018 and '19. Very bitter rivalry; being an SU guy, I cherished beating them (finally!) both times. I loved RR, but the cheerleaders, ACs and fans? Nope! Without Parker, the future wasn't looking good anyway...then the tide rushed out with Rose's retirement. Historically, what Russ did in State College was nothing short of miraculous. I feel that, even with the transfers to offset their humongous losses, it will take years for Penn State to rebound into the conversation re: upper echelon contenders. How much of the downturn since 2017 was because of the belief that Russ was going to retire before a recruit finished her career? I think there's a bit of chicken/egg argument there. The thing Penn State has going for it is its fan base. Those folks are as dedicated and loyal as any in the country, and their NIL clout will drive recruits to the team. Any coach going to any blue-blood with a massive fan base starts out way ahead because of NIL. Disagree. Russ was Penn State VB. That is why top recruits selected Penn State. Recruiting suffered because very poor decision-making by entire staffs there the past 4-5 years. |
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on May 4, 2022 22:23:31 GMT -5
How much of the downturn since 2017 was because of the belief that Russ was going to retire before a recruit finished her career? I think there's a bit of chicken/egg argument there. The thing Penn State has going for it is its fan base. Those folks are as dedicated and loyal as any in the country, and their NIL clout will drive recruits to the team. Any coach going to any blue-blood with a massive fan base starts out way ahead because of NIL. Disagree. Russ was Penn State VB. That is why top recruits selected Penn State. Recruiting suffered because very poor decision-making by entire staffs there the past 4-5 years. Thanks; saved me some unnecessary typing. The obvious strawman here is that perhaps *Rose himself* had no idea as to his future back in 2017. His recent blunt remarks about 'the more modern athlete', NILs, plus more freedom for SAs' movement via the portal hit upon what might have hastened his retirement. |
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Post by psuvbfan10 on May 4, 2022 22:37:46 GMT -5
How much of the downturn since 2017 was because of the belief that Russ was going to retire before a recruit finished her career? I think there's a bit of chicken/egg argument there. The thing Penn State has going for it is its fan base. Those folks are as dedicated and loyal as any in the country, and their NIL clout will drive recruits to the team. Any coach going to any blue-blood with a massive fan base starts out way ahead because of NIL. Disagree. Russ was Penn State VB. That is why top recruits selected Penn State. Recruiting suffered because very poor decision-making by entire staffs there the past 4-5 years. Russ always had final decision on recruits. |
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Post by illinifan21 on May 4, 2022 23:13:05 GMT -5
nebraska, wisconsin, minnesota will lead.
i would love to see my illini upset some of the top 3 big ten teams this year, and continue having intense rivalryesque matches with purdue & michigan.
i’ve always wondered how the abundance of vball talent that comes from the state of illinois doesn’t stay home. hopefully another good year can bring in transfers/recruits to keep from falling behind. raina terry needs more recognition imo, especially after last year.
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Post by rjaege on May 4, 2022 23:55:10 GMT -5
New coaches, transfer portal, player development and NIL add big variables as one looks forward past 2022. If your team is on top enjoy it while it lasts.
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Post by Kearney Kingston on May 5, 2022 17:05:30 GMT -5
From a pure talent perspective, here is my ranking…
Minnesota
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern
Michigan
Maryland
Michigan State
Indiana
Iowa
Rutgers
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Post by ay2013 on May 5, 2022 18:42:08 GMT -5
Disagree. Russ was Penn State VB. That is why top recruits selected Penn State. Recruiting suffered because very poor decision-making by entire staffs there the past 4-5 years. Thanks; saved me some unnecessary typing. The obvious strawman here is that perhaps *Rose himself* had no idea as to his future back in 2017. His recent blunt remarks about 'the more modern athlete', NILs, plus more freedom for SAs' movement via the portal hit upon what might have hastened his retirement. And it was probably the right call. Russ has nothing to prove to anyone and he's been in the game way too long to pretend to care about this new era of college athletes. For a program that just wants to recruit quality people, teach and play the game of volleyball, and provide a great college experience, this new NIL world looks absolutely exhausting. |
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Post by photos1 on May 5, 2022 19:33:00 GMT -5
Thanks; saved me some unnecessary typing. The obvious strawman here is that perhaps *Rose himself* had no idea as to his future back in 2017. His recent blunt remarks about 'the more modern athlete', NILs, plus more freedom for SAs' movement via the portal hit upon what might have hastened his retirement. And it was probably the right call. Russ has nothing to prove to anyone and he's been in the game way too long to pretend to care about this new era of college athletes. For a program that just wants to recruit quality people, teach and play the game of volleyball, and provide a great college experience, this new NIL world looks absolutely exhausting. Maybe, but anyone who was in Lawrence last weekend and watched him teaching volleyball and interacting with athletes and other coaches-before, during and after sessions, can see he loves to teach volleyball and be part of that process. He does not appear exhausted or ready to stop coaching, imo. . |
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Post by ay2013 on May 5, 2022 20:01:13 GMT -5
And it was probably the right call. Russ has nothing to prove to anyone and he's been in the game way too long to pretend to care about this new era of college athletes. For a program that just wants to recruit quality people, teach and play the game of volleyball, and provide a great college experience, this new NIL world looks absolutely exhausting. Maybe, but anyone who was in Lawrence last weekend and watched him teaching volleyball and interacting with athletes and other coaches-before, during and after sessions, can see he loves to teach volleyball and be part of that process. He does not appear exhausted or ready to stop coaching, imo. . Well THAT much should never be in doubt. Russ is an excellent teacher of the game. |
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Post by volleyaudience on May 5, 2022 20:16:13 GMT -5
And it was probably the right call. Russ has nothing to prove to anyone and he's been in the game way too long to pretend to care about this new era of college athletes. For a program that just wants to recruit quality people, teach and play the game of volleyball, and provide a great college experience, this new NIL world looks absolutely exhausting. Maybe, but anyone who was in Lawrence last weekend and watched him teaching volleyball and interacting with athletes and other coaches-before, during and after sessions, can see he loves to teach volleyball and be part of that process. He does not appear exhausted or ready to stop coaching, imo. I remember Russ saying a while ago in a pod cast interview that if he was to coach somewhere else it would be at a DIII or maybe a DII collge. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 5, 2022 20:30:00 GMT -5
Maybe, but anyone who was in Lawrence last weekend and watched him teaching volleyball and interacting with athletes and other coaches-before, during and after sessions, can see he loves to teach volleyball and be part of that process. He does not appear exhausted or ready to stop coaching, imo. I remember Russ saying a while ago in a pod cast interview that if he was to coach somewhere else it would be at a DIII or maybe a DII collge. If he did, that would be very reminiscent of Jim Calhoun coaching D3 St. Joseph's after retiring from the powerhouse he built at UConn. |
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Post by sluggo on May 5, 2022 21:13:07 GMT -5
Maybe, but anyone who was in Lawrence last weekend and watched him teaching volleyball and interacting with athletes and other coaches-before, during and after sessions, can see he loves to teach volleyball and be part of that process. He does not appear exhausted or ready to stop coaching, imo. I remember Russ saying a while ago in a pod cast interview that if he was to coach somewhere else it would be at a DIII or maybe a DII collge. Or an orphanage. |
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