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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 3, 2022 13:46:50 GMT -5
Not trying to sound "Holier than thou" but, in Minnesota tryouts don't start until after the High School Season. Most of the clubs do a fairly good job at not promising spots to girls (especially if that girl is from a rival club and is thinking of switching) but sometimes where a girl will land is heavily hinted at. I've about the feeding frenzy that sometimes happens in other States and have been grateful that it's not like that here. Conversely though, I feel like our later start has us trying to play 'catch up' with most of the other clubs until mid-March or so. Wellll... I'm in MN and back when a player I know was moving to 17s she went to a couple "Open Gyms" suggested by her HS coach that resulted in a not veiled at all email before the tryouts. We hadn't been at the better clubs before so at the time I had no idea how far outside the lines it was. And if you're taking about how few shenanigans happen in MN then please don't look into that MN Select 18 Open national champion team from 2015-16 because precious few of those players were at Select the year before. They came from several clubs, multiple age groups and ended up with only one 18 year old on the team (and 15 year old CC McGraw) but goodness could they play. If you compare those instances that you mentioned to what goes on at other States; then I'd say shenanigans like that are more the exception than the rule. MN Select has had a few "Super Squads" in recent history. From I heard often it was something engineered via players (and sometimes parents I think) and not overtly the club. But I could be completely wrong about that. Again my point is that, having talked to parents from other States, the stuff that goes on behind the scenes are fairly tame. (Or maybe I'm not exposed to all that goes on) |
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Post by reader on Jun 3, 2022 14:04:20 GMT -5
Forget it Jake, it's club. Nowhere is faultless, but to your point, I think it's a lot less common up here compared to the designed chaos in north Texas. That sounds malicious. In many respects I'm glad my kids are done with it.
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Post by rrvbfan on Jun 3, 2022 21:46:43 GMT -5
I don't understand the rationale behind holding tryouts sooo far in advance. over here, it’s under the guise of taking the stress off of the players for the HS season. They don’t have to “worry” about club during HS. 🤔 |
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Post by tim01 on Jun 4, 2022 0:04:44 GMT -5
This is all about the $$$. The sooner a club can lock up players, the more certain they can field a large number of teams. Certainly, there are some clubs that do this in an effort to secure the best players so they can compete at the Open level...but in the non-elite clubs, it's about getting more players ($$$) to have as many teams as possible.
My daughters' (Intermountain Region) club (competitive, but definitely not elite) is having tryouts this July. There's no way this is about forming a super-elite team. It's about getting more players on the roster.
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Post by digs on Jun 4, 2022 10:01:37 GMT -5
This is all an unintended consequence of the ridiculous club calendar that builds to a crescendo in April and then stops dead for two months before nationals. Fix that and a lot of these shenanigans go away. Don’t get me wrong, there’ll always be people/clubs working on the ethical gray area, but it’s the two month gap that creates the window of opportunity for bad behavior.
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Post by notvballdad on Jun 6, 2022 10:59:33 GMT -5
Just curious if there is a precedent for a U16 Open qualifying team at USAV Nationals, all being cut by the U17 coach because they aren't good enough. This is happening in North Texas, all before Nationals and these kids now have to increase their practice time, miss college camps and find some way to go play against a bunch of other teams that they've already beaten, knowing those other kids are all taking their spots at their home club.
It's a great group of kids with absolutely less than zero attitude or behavior issues and a really solid group of parents.
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Jun 6, 2022 11:16:03 GMT -5
Just curious if there is a precedent for a U16 Open qualifying team at USAV Nationals, all being cut by the U17 coach because they aren't good enough. This is happening in North Texas, all before Nationals and these kids now have to increase their practice time, miss college camps and find some way to go play against a bunch of other teams that they've already beaten, knowing those other kids are all taking their spots at their home club. It's a great group of kids with absolutely less than zero attitude or behavior issues and a really solid group of parents. I am a bit confused. The U17 coach cut players from a U16 team? A team that he/she does not yet coach? Or cut players from a team that they have not yet made? |
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Post by notvballdad on Jun 6, 2022 11:31:36 GMT -5
Sorry, U17 coach told all the rising U16 players that they would not have a spot on his team next year. He already has his U17 team for next year built.
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Post by volleyparent on Jun 6, 2022 11:45:19 GMT -5
Sorry, U17 coach told all the rising U16 players that they would not have a spot on his team next year. He already has his U17 team for next year built. That is seriously messed up. That is especially difficult with recruiting conversations about to open up. And we wonder why teenagers have spiking high anxiety?  That is infuriating. What is wrong with these adults? |
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Post by volleydada4 on Jun 6, 2022 11:56:46 GMT -5
Just curious if there is a precedent for a U16 Open qualifying team at USAV Nationals, all being cut by the U17 coach because they aren't good enough. This is happening in North Texas, all before Nationals and these kids now have to increase their practice time, miss college camps and find some way to go play against a bunch of other teams that they've already beaten, knowing those other kids are all taking their spots at their home club. It's a great group of kids with absolutely less than zero attitude or behavior issues and a really solid group of parents. Don’t think I’ve ever seen anything this drastic before, but in the North Texas region, it doesn’t surprise me one bit. I remember a few years back, TAV (14s) won the USAV National championship and half their team was cut going into the 15s year. That culture is tough on the girls, and the familes. At the same time, its also one of the reasons that region wins so many championships (Club & HS) and is so highly recruited. If you can survive/thrive there, you pretty much can in any major volleyball program in the country. |
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Post by silverchloride on Jun 6, 2022 12:39:00 GMT -5
Here in CA, when the tryouts happen are mostly determined by the high school sports governing body, the CIF. They essentially pushed club tryouts into the summer before High School camps etc. They are not BEFORE the end of club season, but months before the December start of club.
Girls 9th-12th grade club tryouts run July 23-24 for the 2022-23 club season.
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Post by ijokpl on Jun 6, 2022 22:22:44 GMT -5
Regarding NTR. If clubs are not penalized, if no serious sanctions exist, what is to stop these violations? Year after year NTR invents rules but does nothing to keep clubs and their coaches in line.
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Post by junevb on Jun 7, 2022 0:28:13 GMT -5
It is a crazy process. A great opportunity for me to identify unethical as well as uncivilized behavior by some of the coaches, clubs as well as parents(all adults) and have an honest conversation with my kid about society in general. Sometimes it gets to the point it's disgusting. Even if it doesn't hurt you or your kid when you see a close friend of your kid, a great player emotionally and mentally hurt due to crazy behavior by the coaches(adults), it gives us parents an opportunity to bring things to perspective. I am guessing the craziness especially from parents has to do with the crazy money the parents spend for club season in NTR (club dues + travel expenses + private classes which are a big necessity as not much gets taught during club season  ). It's hard to find a coach who can bring joy of this sport in a kid in NTR region. It's a game of thrones of VB. Shame on the region, clubs and coaches as well as parents of this region for the state of things and the experience we are presenting to our kids. |
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Post by volleynerdmw on Jun 7, 2022 7:59:24 GMT -5
Heck in some Mideast/Midwest regions they don't even have tryouts!!! Just invites only that are send out immediately after nationals. If you want to move clubs you have to set up a "lesson" with that club sometime before nationals to be considered. So really all the decisions are made without tryouts and before nationals. Invitations are sent out and have to be accepted or declined within 48 hrs.
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Post by thebaytocsulb on Jun 7, 2022 10:27:41 GMT -5
Heck in some Mideast/Midwest regions they don't even have tryouts!!! Just invites only that are send out immediately after nationals. If you want to move clubs you have to set up a "lesson" with that club sometime before nationals to be considered. So really all the decisions are made without tryouts and before nationals. Invitations are sent out and have to be accepted or declined within 48 hrs. That would never happen in CA as most clubs charge a tryout fee to make more $ on top of the $4000-7000 fee if you happen to make a team. My kid has always been on the second team but loves to play but 5k plus travel is a savings drainer for a middle class family. I understand rent/cost of living is ridiculous in the SFBay Area and the coaches need to make enough to be motivated but dang, it's tough. |
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That is infuriating. What is wrong with these adults? 
). It's hard to find a coach who can bring joy of this sport in a kid in NTR region. It's a game of thrones of VB. Shame on the region, clubs and coaches as well as parents of this region for the state of things and the experience we are presenting to our kids. 