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Post by rrvbfan on Jun 7, 2022 10:38:28 GMT -5
It is a crazy process. A great opportunity for me to identify unethical as well as uncivilized behavior by some of the coaches, clubs as well as parents(all adults) and have an honest conversation with my kid about society in general. Sometimes it gets to the point it's disgusting. Even if it doesn't hurt you or your kid when you see a close friend of your kid, a great player emotionally and mentally hurt due to crazy behavior by the coaches(adults), it gives us parents an opportunity to bring things to perspective. I am guessing the craziness especially from parents has to do with the crazy money the parents spend for club season in NTR (club dues + travel expenses + private classes which are a big necessity as not much gets taught during club season  ). It's hard to find a coach who can bring joy of this sport in a kid in NTR region. It's a game of thrones of VB. Shame on the region, clubs and coaches as well as parents of this region for the state of things and the experience we are presenting to our kids. I have found this same thing. Which is why I have chosen to stay at a smaller club for my kid to play there and to coach there. Some of the “cutthroat”/win at ALL cost with some clubs has been not only shocking but disheartening to watch. A couple years ago, the “top” 17s team in the state had kids taking MH breaks and pitted kid against kid to figure out who was going to take a spot on a team. (Edit to say: the kids had to figure it out between them who was going to take the spot) It was hard to hear about and very hard to watch. This time of life and this game should be joyful and fun. |
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Post by Gladys Kravitz on Jun 8, 2022 12:34:16 GMT -5
It is a crazy process. A great opportunity for me to identify unethical as well as uncivilized behavior by some of the coaches, clubs as well as parents(all adults) and have an honest conversation with my kid about society in general. Sometimes it gets to the point it's disgusting. Even if it doesn't hurt you or your kid when you see a close friend of your kid, a great player emotionally and mentally hurt due to crazy behavior by the coaches(adults), it gives us parents an opportunity to bring things to perspective. I am guessing the craziness especially from parents has to do with the crazy money the parents spend for club season in NTR (club dues + travel expenses + private classes which are a big necessity as not much gets taught during club season  ). It's hard to find a coach who can bring joy of this sport in a kid in NTR region. It's a game of thrones of VB. Shame on the region, clubs and coaches as well as parents of this region for the state of things and the experience we are presenting to our kids. I have found this same thing. Which is why I have chosen to stay at a smaller club for my kid to play there and to coach there. Some of the “cutthroat”/win at ALL cost with some clubs has been not only shocking but disheartening to watch. A couple years ago, the “top” 17s team in the state had kids taking MH breaks and pitted kid against kid to figure out who was going to take a spot on a team. (Edit to say: the kids had to figure it out between them who was going to take the spot) It was hard to hear about and very hard to watch. This time of life and this game should be joyful and fun. These coach's who pull this type of behavior are terrible human beings. Mean girls and boys on steroids.
This whole club scene is a rip off. If these girls have the talent to play in college it will sort itself out.
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Post by rrvbfan on Jun 8, 2022 14:30:27 GMT -5
I have found this same thing. Which is why I have chosen to stay at a smaller club for my kid to play there and to coach there. Some of the “cutthroat”/win at ALL cost with some clubs has been not only shocking but disheartening to watch. A couple years ago, the “top” 17s team in the state had kids taking MH breaks and pitted kid against kid to figure out who was going to take a spot on a team. (Edit to say: the kids had to figure it out between them who was going to take the spot) It was hard to hear about and very hard to watch. This time of life and this game should be joyful and fun. These coach's who pull this type of behavior are terrible human beings. Mean girls and boys on steroids.
This whole club scene is a rip off. If these girls have the talent to play in college it will sort itself out.
agreed. And those kids and families that can rise above will be the difference makers. The offenders 100% know who they are. And often times find satisfaction in “running the show”. It’s bordering on disgusting. Edit to delete my previous add because it is just inflammatory, nothing will change and it will just increase the division. |
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Post by reader on Jun 8, 2022 16:25:18 GMT -5
The worst my DD saw was at the first practice: "By the end of this three minute water break I need you all to have decided who gets which number, 1-12." There were a bunch of new faces on that team so it was an exercise in meeting and getting things worked out in short order. Not nearly as terrible as it could have been.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 9, 2022 8:49:36 GMT -5
I have found this same thing. Which is why I have chosen to stay at a smaller club for my kid to play there and to coach there. Some of the “cutthroat”/win at ALL cost with some clubs has been not only shocking but disheartening to watch. A couple years ago, the “top” 17s team in the state had kids taking MH breaks and pitted kid against kid to figure out who was going to take a spot on a team. (Edit to say: the kids had to figure it out between them who was going to take the spot) It was hard to hear about and very hard to watch. This time of life and this game should be joyful and fun. These coach's who pull this type of behavior are terrible human beings. Mean girls and boys on steroids.
This whole club scene is a rip off. If these girls have the talent to play in college it will sort itself out.
For my DD, being at a major club was invaluable to her development as a player. She had excellent coaching both at practices and at private lessons and the exposure she received to the highest level of volleyball possible, was also to her benefit. Everything wasn't rosy but there has been no damage to her psyche (as far as we can tell) and her college is being paid for at a school where tuition for four years far eclipses what we paid for 7 years of club. But most definitely YMMV on that one. |
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Post by notvballdad on Jun 13, 2022 14:30:14 GMT -5
Got a really good insight this weekend at a tournament from a coach/higher up (not sure exact title) in a club...when talking about the absolute craziness of this year in the club "pre" tryout scene. "We operate under the assumption that the other top area clubs are breaking the rules too. So, for us to be the most successful, we do it earlier and better."
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Post by digs on Jun 13, 2022 14:38:22 GMT -5
Got a really good insight this weekend at a tournament from a coach/higher up (not sure exact title) in a club...when talking about the absolute craziness of this year in the club "pre" tryout scene. "We operate under the assumption that the other top area clubs are breaking the rules too. So, for us to be the most successful, we do it earlier and better." So they’re justifying their own unethical behavior by claiming others are doing it to? What a pathetic MO. 😞 |
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Post by crando on Jun 15, 2022 22:52:56 GMT -5
Just curious if there is a precedent for a U16 Open qualifying team at USAV Nationals, all being cut by the U17 coach because they aren't good enough. This is happening in North Texas, all before Nationals and these kids now have to increase their practice time, miss college camps and find some way to go play against a bunch of other teams that they've already beaten, knowing those other kids are all taking their spots at their home club. It's a great group of kids with absolutely less than zero attitude or behavior issues and a really solid group of parents. If you have a great group of 10-12 girls, with great parents, that's good enough to qualify in Open, it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to stick together, and find a coach and a club that's glad to just add one more team ("17 Intergalactic"?) on top of whatever other 17 National/Regional teams they are already planning.
Heck, find a coach, and find a practice court to rent -- you could become part of any club (strong or weak) that has insurance, and can register you in the region. Shoot, you could even get uniforms on your own. But there's certainly no reason why you need to break up that group if you don't want to.
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Post by Gladys Kravitz on Jun 15, 2022 23:58:16 GMT -5
Got a really good insight this weekend at a tournament from a coach/higher up (not sure exact title) in a club...when talking about the absolute craziness of this year in the club "pre" tryout scene. "We operate under the assumption that the other top area clubs are breaking the rules too. So, for us to be the most successful, we do it earlier and better." LOL.......this is the world we live in |
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Post by clob on Jul 3, 2022 23:27:02 GMT -5
Just curious but are the tryouts done for the next year?
And does it have anything to do with traditionally great NT teams not doing so well at nationals?
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Post by veebznerd on Jul 5, 2022 15:38:20 GMT -5
These coach's who pull this type of behavior are terrible human beings. Mean girls and boys on steroids.
This whole club scene is a rip off. If these girls have the talent to play in college it will sort itself out.
For my DD, being at a major club was invaluable to her development as a player. She had excellent coaching both at practices and at private lessons and the exposure she received to the highest level of volleyball possible, was also to her benefit. Everything wasn't rosy but there has been no damage to her psyche (as far as we can tell) and her college is being paid for at a school where tuition for four years far eclipses what we paid for 7 years of club. But most definitely YMMV on that one. Are y'all in the North Texas scene? Or from another part of the country? |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jul 5, 2022 22:41:27 GMT -5
For my DD, being at a major club was invaluable to her development as a player. She had excellent coaching both at practices and at private lessons and the exposure she received to the highest level of volleyball possible, was also to her benefit. Everything wasn't rosy but there has been no damage to her psyche (as far as we can tell) and her college is being paid for at a school where tuition for four years far eclipses what we paid for 7 years of club. But most definitely YMMV on that one. Are y'all in the North Texas scene? Or from another part of the country? We’re in Minnesota. |
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Post by volleyusa on Jul 6, 2022 6:17:30 GMT -5
There is a club on the East Coast that will pay a coach $100/head for each athlete they can steal from a rival club. Do other clubs do this?
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Post by veebznerd on Jul 10, 2022 16:58:15 GMT -5
I just saw a "press release" posted on FB from Extreme Volleyball and Texas Pistols. Anyone know more about this? I'm posting the entire post I saw bc I'm not sure a link would work bc it was in a private fb group.
Just curious about what's really happening in NTR.
Angela Whitehead
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Press release from Extreme Volleyball and Texas Pistols. We are looking for your support.
Why do we let an all-male Officers Board of the North Texas Region that abuses it power to be around our daughters?
We are governed by a region that owns and has interest in their own clubs, making decisions about other club owners in that region. How is this possible? They have the control to eliminate competition, and they actively seek this out. This is a violation of due process, which states we are entitled to an unbiased tribunal. They also control who host tournaments, which again is predominately clubs who have representatives on the board. Other regions DO NOT have Commissioners and Presidents that own clubs in their governing region.
We have a governing body that is not transparent and open, which Officers of Board are MEN. I am a successful woman and club owner for the past decade that is being discriminated against. #NodiscrinitionwithNTRvolleyball. Sanctions were given by members of the NTR Board that are excessive and biased. There has never been a punishment this excessive for this offense. There are several sanctions for misconduct of minors that were given 3-month suspension. This is unduly towards me. There were direct conflicts of interest with members of the board, and these concerns were addressed and ignored. This is a dictatorship, not a democracy! NTR Bylaws state that the Commissioner cannot be removed. “Section 2.7. Removal. Any director, other than the Commissioner of the Corporation, may be removed, either for or without cause, by the affirmative vote of at least two-thirds (2/3) of the directors of the Corporation present at any meeting for the Board of Directors”
Several board members have made attempts to purchase my club in the past. Now their failure to successfully purchase the Texas Pistols, that was sold to a woman, has left them angry and vindictive. This is alone is a conflict of interest and now that they are attempting to extend my sanction for 5 years. They did not stop there! Here is the kicker:
“You may not own any portion, direct, coach, oversee any club that is recognized as a USAV/NTR club.”
I am now being told I am not allowed to own a business in a right to work state.
There has been concerns about USAV sanctioned members still participating in clinics. Let me clarify that this only pertains to any event that is sanctioned by USAV. Extreme VB and Texas Pistols were not sanctioned by USAV; therefore, allowing any sanctioned person to participate. Let’s keep in mind the sanctions were simply for a coach not completing a membership. Please refer to USAV sanctioned members and see for yourself. The length of time issued for this minor violation extends beyond violations that show misconduct of minors.
· “ You are not allow to coach, spectate, participate or attend any USAV sanctioned event, practice, tryout or clinics”
As you can see from the above sanctioning, they are allowed in participate in any unsanctioned event.
You might have already read online about the unethical and immoral things happening in the region lately. Has anyone notice that only certain clubs are allowed to host tournaments? Or how the recruiting of players outside of tryouts doesn’t get scrutinized? I could go on, we all see unethical and immoral things happening. Its time for the “good old boy network” to stop! Its time for them to be held accountable for their actions and it’s time for an independent woman to have equal rights in this business.
I do this knowing that this will cause further discrimination towards me and my clubs, but we feel it time to stand against a region that monopolizes from the control and continues to try to push out the competition. They are trying to force out the competing clubs.
I need your support to voice your concerns to the board and demand transparency and due process for sanctions in the future.
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Post by notvballdad on Jul 10, 2022 16:59:51 GMT -5
You should also look at the crazy business going on between Frisco Flyers and 1United. It was a wild day yesterday.
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). It's hard to find a coach who can bring joy of this sport in a kid in NTR region. It's a game of thrones of VB. Shame on the region, clubs and coaches as well as parents of this region for the state of things and the experience we are presenting to our kids. 
). It's hard to find a coach who can bring joy of this sport in a kid in NTR region. It's a game of thrones of VB. Shame on the region, clubs and coaches as well as parents of this region for the state of things and the experience we are presenting to our kids. 
