2022 FIVB World Championship

[Sbilo]

Correct me if I am wrong - but has the host of the finals (Gold and Bronze medal matches) been changed?

I see that it is now in Apeldoorn and not Arnhem..

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Jul 6, 2022 5:48:16 GMT -5 Sbilo said:

Correct me if I am wrong - but has the host of the finals (Gold and Bronze medal matches) been changed?

I see that it is now in Apeldoorn and not Arnhem..

yes. It was changed in May to cut costs

[CAI BIN MUST GO]

anyone up for discussing how the pools will play out?

A	B	C	D
NED	POL	USA	BRA
ITA	TUR	SRB	CHN
BEL	DOM	GER	JPN
PRI	KOR	BUL	COL
CAM	THA	CAN	ARG
KEN	CRO	KAZ	CZE

Friendly reminder that the format is top 4 in groups A/D merge, top 4 in groups B/C merge, then after crossovers play 4 matches, top 4 play one quarterfinals brackets (1-4, 2-3). So there is no group crossover between A/D and B/C until the finals/3rd place matches.

ITA USA and SRB should be the top medal contenders, followed in no specific order by TUR BRA CHN JPN (well, we don't know which specific players are participating yet)

After groups A and D merge it should be ITA BRA CHN JPN top 4, the only question is what order. probably ITA will be 1 and BRA CHN JPN will want to avoid being 4th (to avoid ITA in qf)

groups B and C I think USA and SRB will be top, but there's no importance between 3rd and 4th places since one gets to play USA and the other SRB.

fun fact: if KOR barely qualifies for the 2nd stage (say they are 4th in group), facing USA SRB GER CAN (possible top 4 in other group) could tank their rankings and actually pull them out of the OQTs (as opposed to crashing out in the first stage)

Thanks FIVB for a ranking that makes zero sense. Again.

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A: Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Puerto Rico
B: Turkey, Dominican, Thailand, Poland
C: Serbia, USA, Germany, Canada
D: China, Japan, Brazil, Colombia

E: Italy, China, Japan, Brazil
F: Serbia, USA, Turkey, Dominican

The fight between Dom and Thailand will be close. (maybe Poland too with Stysiak)
D is going to be a mess.

[CAI BIN MUST GO]

Jul 17, 2022 22:24:33 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

A: Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Puerto Rico
B: Turkey, Dominican, Thailand, Poland
C: Serbia, USA, Germany, Canada
D: China, Japan, Brazil, Colombia

E: Italy, China, Japan, Brazil
F: Serbia, USA, Turkey, Dominican

The fight between Dom and Thailand will be close. (maybe Poland too with Stysiak)
D is going to be a mess.

both China and Japan over Brazil?

you're just bitter about '08 and '12...

but yeah i think the only "uncertain" spot is the 4th place group F -- doesn't matter anyways, they get to face the wrath and fury of Serbia or USA.

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Jul 17, 2022 22:29:50 GMT -5 CAI BIN MUST GO said:

Jul 17, 2022 22:24:33 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

A: Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Puerto Rico
B: Turkey, Dominican, Thailand, Poland
C: Serbia, USA, Germany, Canada
D: China, Japan, Brazil, Colombia

E: Italy, China, Japan, Brazil
F: Serbia, USA, Turkey, Dominican

The fight between Dom and Thailand will be close. (maybe Poland too with Stysiak)
D is going to be a mess.

both China and Japan over Brazil?

you're just bitter about '08 and '12...

but yeah i think the only "uncertain" spot is the 4th place group F -- doesn't matter anyways, they get to face the wrath and fury of Serbia or USA.

I dont trust the passing of Pri or Ana Cristina/Rosamaria at all. 

Gabi wasnt great during the VNL either. 

[CAI BIN MUST GO]

Jul 17, 2022 22:31:57 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

Jul 17, 2022 22:29:50 GMT -5 CAI BIN MUST GO said:

both China and Japan over Brazil?

you're just bitter about '08 and '12...

but yeah i think the only "uncertain" spot is the 4th place group F -- doesn't matter anyways, they get to face the wrath and fury of Serbia or USA.

I dont trust the passing of Pri or Ana Cristina/Rosamaria at all. 

Gabi wasnt great during the VNL either. 

yeah but I don't trust that ZCN will return or manabe won't get the genius idea to sub koga off 🙃

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Jul 17, 2022 22:38:18 GMT -5 CAI BIN MUST GO said:

Jul 17, 2022 22:31:57 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

I dont trust the passing of Pri or Ana Cristina/Rosamaria at all. 

Gabi wasnt great during the VNL either. 

yeah but I don't trust that ZCN will return or manabe won't get the genius idea to sub koga off 🙃

Yeah.... wtf was that? Why did he bench Koga?

[CAI BIN MUST GO]

Jul 17, 2022 23:17:12 GMT -5 @toddyj said:

Jul 17, 2022 22:38:18 GMT -5 CAI BIN MUST GO said:

yeah but I don't trust that ZCN will return or manabe won't get the genius idea to sub koga off 🙃

Yeah.... wtf was that? Why did he bench Koga?

nobody really knows... lol

[chatchu-off moksri]

If Bulgaria brings their A-team with E. Dimitrova and Vasileva they could also pull off some upsets.

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Jul 17, 2022 23:23:37 GMT -5 chatchu-off moksri said:

If Bulgaria brings their A-team with E. Dimitrova and Vasileva they could also pull off some upsets.

Yeah......I think it will be a spicy battle between Bulgaria, Germany and Canada for those bottom two spots. It all comes down to what the rosters look like.

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Jul 17, 2022 23:29:16 GMT -5 @toddyj said:

Jul 17, 2022 23:23:37 GMT -5 chatchu-off moksri said:

If Bulgaria brings their A-team with E. Dimitrova and Vasileva they could also pull off some upsets.

Yeah......I think it will be a spicy battle between Bulgaria, Germany and Canada for those bottom two spots. It all comes down to what the rosters look like. who chooses to compete

ftfy

[trojansc]

Jul 17, 2022 22:14:13 GMT -5 CAI BIN MUST GO said:

fun fact: if KOR barely qualifies for the 2nd stage (say they are 4th in group), facing USA SRB GER CAN (possible top 4 in other group) could tank their rankings and actually pull them out of the OQTs (as opposed to crashing out in the first stage)

Thanks FIVB for a ranking that makes zero sense. Again.

I disagree with the ranking system making zero sense. The rankings are the best they've ever been and I think they will continue to be more accurate than the past, except that when teams don't send full strength rosters to events like the VNL, it can make things out of whack, but, no ranking system is going to account for teams/key players taking tournaments 'off'. I don't think this is the best possible ranking system ever, but, to act like it's highly flawed or even close to as bad as previous systems, I disagree with that.

As for your example here, Korea went 0 for 12 in the freaking VNL against many NT's who weren't playing at full strength. Whether they get knocked out in the 1st or 2nd round, it's irrelevant to me and I feel no sympathy towards them not making the OQTs. Korea was a FULL 4 games worse than any other team at the VNL. They were 3-36 in sets. 

I actually like that the ranking system exposed Korea very quickly. Yes, they were a team who is borderline top 10 with KYK (or with KYK and the twins for argument sakes). They have lost all those players and we see that is not the same team, nor will they probably be in the immediate future. They shouldn't be ranking above the other VNL teams they fell behind.

What WOULD help the ranking system: If Korea was actually relegated in the VNL. Why? They would play matches against Colombia and Puerto Rico (who are right above them in rankings). Then Korea would have chance to win back points against the lower level of competition. We could also measure whether they are indeed worse than those teams (it might be closer than one would think). Instead, the dumb challenger system means Belgium has to play in it.     

[trojansc]

Jul 17, 2022 23:23:37 GMT -5 chatchu-off moksri said:

If Bulgaria brings their A-team with E. Dimitrova and Vasileva they could also pull off some upsets.

For the teams who aren't medal favorites (USA, SRB, ITA, etc.) I think it is much better to be in Pool A or C. These are teams who just 'want' to make the QF's and have a shot at an upset (think: CAN/BUL/POL/DOM/THA/etc.)

Pool A has CMR/KEN. This vastly benefits a Belgium or Netherlands over the teams in Pool D who don't have any complete gimmees (Colombia or Argentina have played spoiler before). They carry those results to the second round. Pool C has Kazakhstan while Pool B has no gimmees either.

I think this is the year when carrying over results from 1st round pools could possibly be the difference in a QF spot for the #4/#5 teams in the combined pools.

This will all be measured by whether or not my assumption that Cameroon, Kenya, and Kazakhstan are at least worse enough than the Pool B and Pool D last placed teams to make a difference here. I could be wrong, Cameroon slightly surprised at the 2018 WCh's by beating Mexico.

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Cameroon said their goal is to be 4th in pool over PR and Kenya lol