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Post by ay2013 on Mar 23, 2023 18:28:03 GMT -5
It's always interesting to me to see all these names but then to see them in person and think eh. Saw a couple of these 24s in vegas and the hype didnt matchup with the play. Lol that is what I thought about Glass this past weekend. Very good setter, but I didn't really see the hype. well, what is it that you are looking at? It all needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The 2025 class are currently high school sophomores - they aren't going to be studs every time you see them. True lefty, quick, athletic, setters with decent hands are not common.
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 23, 2023 18:32:01 GMT -5
I could see her coming in and competing right away. I'm not convinced Taylor Yu is the future franchise setter for Stanford. I’ve watched A LOT of 2024 volleyball and Tay Yu is AMAZING. One of the best for sure. If I had a 2025 setter, I would not be looking at Stanford, IMHO. Oh I definitely think she's one of the best setters in the 2024 class, no about about that. But we are talking about Stanford. The barometer is not/should not be whether your among the best setters in any given class, but whether you are/will be elite enough to be among the top 3 setters in the surrounding 3-4 classes. On that second question, I'm not convinced.
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 23, 2023 18:38:36 GMT -5
Yes I would say that is what you would expect from most schools - every other year. Westie is correct. Of course schools that are set with a 2024 setter would still consider an top 2025 setter but those same setters will also have plenty of opportunities at programs where there isn't 2024 competition. Oh I think that any school would happily have two elite setters on the roster at any given time. My question wasn't whether or not the schools would offer Glass (or Messer, or Flynn) in 2025, but rather whether these players would want to go to a school knowing they will have to either unseat a multi-year starter or not play for at least two years.
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 24, 2023 2:52:23 GMT -5
In addition to Glass, Messer, and Flynn, I think you can possibly add Kirra Musgrove to the list of players who may be able to write her ticket to an elite school. Also a big lefty setter and she looks pretty sound on video this year
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Mar 24, 2023 7:43:07 GMT -5
Many coaches over the years have been lulled to sleep by setters who set to stud pin hitters on club teams. The setters that are most successful take decent teams and make them infinetly better. Any setter can chuck a ball to 4 and look good on a top tier club team. Can they consistantly set middle? Can they better the ball in OOS situations off less than stellar passing. Can they effectively run a tempo offense and spread the ball when needed? Do they set the tone with their defense. We have seen many a setter make the move to the NCAA and quickly get exposed. I think many of the ones listed above fit the bill to be very successful at the next level from what I have seen.
I also know there are a few setters out there still undiscovered on less than stellar teams that are just as talented, but don't have the supporting cast. Those are the gems that will emerge in the NCAA. One name that comes to mind would be Nicklin Hames. Say what you will about her, but she was smaller, not as athletic as some, but had the grit, heart and creativity to overachieve every single year.
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Post by lotstodo2023 on Mar 24, 2023 8:53:22 GMT -5
Many coaches over the years have been lulled to sleep by setters who set to stud pin hitters on club teams. The setters that are most successful take decent teams and make them infinetly better. Any setter can chuck a ball to 4 and look good on a top tier club team. Can they consistantly set middle? Can they better the ball in OOS situations off less than stellar passing. Can they effectively run a tempo offense and spread the ball when needed? Do they set the tone with their defense. We have seen many a setter make the move to the NCAA and quickly get exposed. I think many of the ones listed above fit the bill to be very successful at the next level from what I have seen. I also know there are a few setters out there still undiscovered on less than stellar teams that are just as talented, but don't have the supporting cast. Those are the gems that will emerge in the NCAA. One name that comes to mind would be Nicklin Hames. Say what you will about her, but she was smaller, not as athletic as some, but had the grit, heart and creativity to overachieve every single year. Agreed. I think of the 1st alliance 17 gold setter last year ( the team that won open). She is not well known, going to a mid major but I watched her against an insane Coast team deliver hittable balls from eh passing and scrappy defense point after point after point. She wasn't flashy, she was an athlete who made all her hitters better. That is someone I watch in club and think wow they are gonna do some great things at the next level. So many times a setter checks boxes but how do they perform when they have to fight their way to being the best. That is who Nicklin reminds me of. Someone who felt she was underrated and set forth to prove she was deserving of the N on her jersey.
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Mar 24, 2023 9:10:26 GMT -5
Many coaches over the years have been lulled to sleep by setters who set to stud pin hitters on club teams. The setters that are most successful take decent teams and make them infinetly better. Any setter can chuck a ball to 4 and look good on a top tier club team. Can they consistantly set middle? Can they better the ball in OOS situations off less than stellar passing. Can they effectively run a tempo offense and spread the ball when needed? Do they set the tone with their defense. We have seen many a setter make the move to the NCAA and quickly get exposed. I think many of the ones listed above fit the bill to be very successful at the next level from what I have seen. I also know there are a few setters out there still undiscovered on less than stellar teams that are just as talented, but don't have the supporting cast. Those are the gems that will emerge in the NCAA. One name that comes to mind would be Nicklin Hames. Say what you will about her, but she was smaller, not as athletic as some, but had the grit, heart and creativity to overachieve every single year. Agreed. I think of the 1st alliance 17 gold setter last year ( the team that won open). She is not well known, going to a mid major but I watched her against an insane Coast team deliver hittable balls from eh passing and scrappy defense point after point after point. She wasn't flashy, she was an athlete who made all her hitters better. That is someone I watch in club and think wow they are gonna do some great things at the next level. So many times a setter checks boxes but how do they perform when they have to fight their way to being the best. That is who Nicklin reminds me of. Someone who felt she was underrated and set forth to prove she was deserving of the N on her jersey. Totally. A wise coach shared a recruiting hack with me one time. Listen to the chatter and hype in club, but dig into their high school season. No one looks at that. If they excel in high school working with the talent they are given and not selected and do well with that, along with club, odds are you have someone coachable and who will succeed at the next level.
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Post by Friday on Mar 24, 2023 9:58:35 GMT -5
Agreed. I think of the 1st alliance 17 gold setter last year ( the team that won open). She is not well known, going to a mid major but I watched her against an insane Coast team deliver hittable balls from eh passing and scrappy defense point after point after point. She wasn't flashy, she was an athlete who made all her hitters better. That is someone I watch in club and think wow they are gonna do some great things at the next level. So many times a setter checks boxes but how do they perform when they have to fight their way to being the best. That is who Nicklin reminds me of. Someone who felt she was underrated and set forth to prove she was deserving of the N on her jersey. Totally. A wise coach shared a recruiting hack with me one time. Listen to the chatter and hype in club, but dig into their high school season. No one looks at that. If they excel in high school working with the talent they are given and not selected and do well with that, along with club, odds are you have someone coachable and who will succeed at the next level. That is very sound advise. Also from smaller clubs as opposed to the large metro clubs.
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Mar 24, 2023 10:20:59 GMT -5
It's always interesting to me to see all these names but then to see them in person and think eh. Saw a couple of these 24s in vegas and the hype didnt matchup with the play. which 2024's are you talking about? Funny you nailed it with your previous comment. Thats exactly who I was talking about.
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Mar 24, 2023 10:24:58 GMT -5
Many coaches over the years have been lulled to sleep by setters who set to stud pin hitters on club teams. The setters that are most successful take decent teams and make them infinetly better. Any setter can chuck a ball to 4 and look good on a top tier club team. Can they consistantly set middle? Can they better the ball in OOS situations off less than stellar passing. Can they effectively run a tempo offense and spread the ball when needed? Do they set the tone with their defense. We have seen many a setter make the move to the NCAA and quickly get exposed. I think many of the ones listed above fit the bill to be very successful at the next level from what I have seen. I also know there are a few setters out there still undiscovered on less than stellar teams that are just as talented, but don't have the supporting cast. Those are the gems that will emerge in the NCAA. One name that comes to mind would be Nicklin Hames. Say what you will about her, but she was smaller, not as athletic as some, but had the grit, heart and creativity to overachieve every single year. Exactly....How is it so hard as a coach to see that some kids are playing with a college allstar cast and that any setter would look good when their hitters are just that much more physically talented than the other teams they play? I am baffled by setters getting lumped into being stars just because they are on a really great team. I would also look at the kids that are elevating more avg talent to be able to play against and beat some of those top teams. To me, that tells me that kid is a difference maker.
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Mar 24, 2023 10:29:56 GMT -5
Agreed. I think of the 1st alliance 17 gold setter last year ( the team that won open). She is not well known, going to a mid major but I watched her against an insane Coast team deliver hittable balls from eh passing and scrappy defense point after point after point. She wasn't flashy, she was an athlete who made all her hitters better. That is someone I watch in club and think wow they are gonna do some great things at the next level. So many times a setter checks boxes but how do they perform when they have to fight their way to being the best. That is who Nicklin reminds me of. Someone who felt she was underrated and set forth to prove she was deserving of the N on her jersey. Totally. A wise coach shared a recruiting hack with me one time. Listen to the chatter and hype in club, but dig into their high school season. No one looks at that. If they excel in high school working with the talent they are given and not selected and do well with that, along with club, odds are you have someone coachable and who will succeed at the next level. Ding ding ding. Exactly. Funny thing is, some of these kids and I am speaking about a certain North Texas Club all play HS together too on a stacked private school team....so you can never evaluate them on an avg talent team because they have never been on one. To me as a coach, that might be a red flag. I think if they did play on an avg high school team things would be exposed. Of course no one digs that deep, all the volleyball publications just spill the same hype from club over to hs.
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Post by volleydada4 on Mar 24, 2023 11:37:40 GMT -5
Many coaches over the years have been lulled to sleep by setters who set to stud pin hitters on club teams. The setters that are most successful take decent teams and make them infinetly better. Any setter can chuck a ball to 4 and look good on a top tier club team. Can they consistantly set middle? Can they better the ball in OOS situations off less than stellar passing. Can they effectively run a tempo offense and spread the ball when needed? Do they set the tone with their defense. We have seen many a setter make the move to the NCAA and quickly get exposed. I think many of the ones listed above fit the bill to be very successful at the next level from what I have seen. I also know there are a few setters out there still undiscovered on less than stellar teams that are just as talented, but don't have the supporting cast. Those are the gems that will emerge in the NCAA. One name that comes to mind would be Nicklin Hames. Say what you will about her, but she was smaller, not as athletic as some, but had the grit, heart and creativity to overachieve every single year. Agreed. I think of the 1st alliance 17 gold setter last year ( the team that won open). She is not well known, going to a mid major but I watched her against an insane Coast team deliver hittable balls from eh passing and scrappy defense point after point after point. She wasn't flashy, she was an athlete who made all her hitters better. That is someone I watch in club and think wow they are gonna do some great things at the next level. So many times a setter checks boxes but how do they perform when they have to fight their way to being the best. That is who Nicklin reminds me of. Someone who felt she was underrated and set forth to prove she was deserving of the N on her jersey. Agreed on the kid from 1st Alliance… She’s been damn good for as far back as 14s. Undersized so she doesn’t get the pub, but runs her team like a boss. The team got better and better around her as the years progressed and they cashed in with a National Championship last year. If I remember correctly she’s going to Memphis. Lots of respect for her game.
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Post by winesalot on Mar 24, 2023 12:03:26 GMT -5
Totally. A wise coach shared a recruiting hack with me one time. Listen to the chatter and hype in club, but dig into their high school season. No one looks at that. If they excel in high school working with the talent they are given and not selected and do well with that, along with club, odds are you have someone coachable and who will succeed at the next level. Ding ding ding. Exactly. Funny thing is, some of these kids and I am speaking about a certain North Texas Club all play HS together too on a stacked private school team....so you can never evaluate them on an avg talent team because they have never been on one. To me as a coach, that might be a red flag. I think if they did play on an avg high school team things would be exposed. Of course no one digs that deep, all the volleyball publications just spill the same hype from club over to hs. I don't know about other areas, but I would say you just hit the nail on the head for North Texas. The same players gravitate between the top 4 clubs from an early age. Then those players end up at the same high schools (both public and private). I think a lot of people (Red Hat Lady, for example) ignore the kids who are leveling up their average high school teams AND their club teams. If coaches dig deep here, they will find some truly valuable players.
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Post by n00b on Mar 24, 2023 12:07:31 GMT -5
I think y'all are underestimating the talent evaluation skills of (a) college coaches, whose livelihood depends on getting the best athletes to their programs, and (b) club coaches/directors whose success depends on their ability to put the best setter on their teams.
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Post by silverchloride on Mar 24, 2023 12:22:05 GMT -5
Any info about the Thread topic?
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