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Post by Fight On! on May 20, 2023 13:09:47 GMT -5
^maybe players who don’t submit a roster forfeit their subs
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Post by ay2013 on May 20, 2023 13:20:00 GMT -5
To ay's points: #1 - I like the point system. I think it keeps people closer. While engagement still occurs / people may submit rosters, I'm not sure people would use as many add/drops especially when they are out of the race early. That counts as engagement too to me. #2 - I like the two matchups per week because it allows you to negate a bad week against one specific opponent you NEED to beat, and it also allows you not to stack your roster just to beat 'one' opponent. You could face two different skillsets and need to strategize differently. In my proposal of this though, you would be allowed to submit two different rosters (one vs. team A, one vs. team B) #3 - not really crazy about wins, would be more opened to hitting % or going to continue my proposal of staying with 5 categories, but changing the kills category to be kills MINUS errors. That favors middles and hurts outside hitters who get a lot of kills but make a lot of errors and hit in the .100's. to Fight On!'s comment: I don't know, what if a star player is out and anticipated to return? I don't think it's fair to force someone to bench a player who might come back. Is there any advantage to playing a potentially injured player since the sub-list is in ranked preference now (you don't choose who subs in after the fact). If anything, it's higher risk to play an injured player who could have a bad match. Fwiw having a 6th category but keeping points as the system allows us to have an even number of categories. I would prefer to keep kills as is and not minus errors. Adding HP would still place more value on middles without devaluing OH’s. A high volume OH like Junke isn’t gonna help in HP. |
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Post by trojansc on May 20, 2023 13:26:20 GMT -5
A high volume OH like Junke isn’t gonna help in HP. Juhnke still hit over .300 over 5kps, that's pretty damn good for a high volume OH. |
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Post by ay2013 on May 20, 2023 14:06:08 GMT -5
A high volume OH like Junke isn’t gonna help in HP. Juhnke still hit over .300 over 5kps, that's pretty damn good for a high volume OH. That’s fair, I just naturally picked her as I assumed she had a low hitting percentage. But to my point, most six rotation OH’s aren’t hitting .300 |
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Post by Fight On! on May 20, 2023 14:59:16 GMT -5
Calculating HP seems like a PIA unless we have a shared spreadsheet with formulas built in.
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Post by ay2013 on May 20, 2023 16:37:27 GMT -5
Calculating HP seems like a PIA unless we have a shared spreadsheet with formulas built in. I'm pretty sure the box scores give you the player hitting percentages per match so calculating the actual HP shouldn't be an issue. I envision calculating HP for the fantasy team can just be a total of the average of the players hitting percentage like all the other categories. For example: Player 1 Match 1- .308 Match 2 - .407 Week Average: .356 Player 2 Match 1- .250 Match 2- .188 Week Average - 0.219 Fantasy Team Total - 0.575 My only stipulation is that there should be a minimum number of touches to be eligible to include the hitting percentage. Like a setter who has a .500 hitting percentage but whose stat line is like 2 kills, 0 errors, 4 touches, shouldn't count....or just exclude setters and libero's all together. Setters are already very overvalued under the current rules anyway. Also, we did have a shared spreadsheet last year. |
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Post by ay2013 on May 20, 2023 16:53:46 GMT -5
Another thing I'd like the collective to consider is abolishing Monday matches for Fantasy and extending the deadline to do add/drops and make rosters another day. It seems like only a handful of eligible teams play on Monday. This would mean that people would have Monday to catch up on their scoring and potentially do an add/drop and have until Tuesday at 2pm eastern or so to actually submit their roster. If we go two matchups per week, fantasy participants will for sure need a bit more time to plan. Weekends, especially during the summer can get very busy. There were certainly times last year where I wish I had another day but alas, Avid wouldn't lose, so I had to check in every Sunday night, regardless of how many Gin and Tonics in I was  . |
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Post by Fight On! on May 20, 2023 19:14:54 GMT -5
Calculating HP seems like a PIA unless we have a shared spreadsheet with formulas built in. I'm pretty sure the box scores give you the player hitting percentages per match so calculating the actual HP shouldn't be an issue. I envision calculating HP for the fantasy team can just be a total of the average of the players hitting percentage like all the other categories. For example: Player 1 Match 1- .308 Match 2 - .407 Week Average: .356 Player 2 Match 1- .250 Match 2- .188 Week Average - 0.219 Fantasy Team Total - 0.575 My only stipulation is that there should be a minimum number of touches to be eligible to include the hitting percentage. Like a setter who has a .500 hitting percentage but whose stat line is like 2 kills, 0 errors, 4 touches, shouldn't count....or just exclude setters and libero's all together. Setters are already very overvalued under the current rules anyway. Also, we did have a shared spreadsheet last year. From a statistical standpoint, you’re method *could* create a pretty inaccurate true hitting percentage. Edit: I guess it’s moot. We already use a poor method for calculating a team’s per set score for each stat IMO, so doing the same for HP is just more of the same. |
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Post by eazy on May 20, 2023 22:02:45 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but here’s my 2 cents..
Playing 3 out of 5 categories feels like a nice volleyball touch on fantasy sports which is usually raw totals. Giving extra points for 5-0 win vs 3-2 win feels like a pro league spin on it. All the extra rules proposals feel less like volleyball or fantasy in general, and more like messing with a good thing just for the sake of change.
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 21, 2023 2:55:10 GMT -5
Rainbow’s $0.02 - and granted, I have no experience with anything prior to last year - I agree with eazy. I like the points system as it is, and I want to keep an odd number of categories to prevent ties. So I would prefer to either replace kills with HP or change kills to kills-minus-errors. I would appreciate expanding the bench, but I like the ranked sub rules. It made things a lot more “set it and forget it.” |
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 21, 2023 2:56:48 GMT -5
Also, I would like adding two matchups per week because that would keep people from being able to stack quite so much - at least, you’d have to strategize differently.
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Post by vballfan17 on May 21, 2023 9:33:21 GMT -5
ay2013 is going to be taking over my admin role for this season. I don’t mind the idea of 2 matches a week so you might have the chance to beat an opponent who defeated you earlier in the season, but it will cause more work for everyone with submitting 2 rosters each week. Admins will have to spend more time too, and populating the shared spreadsheet will obviously take longer
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 21, 2023 10:04:03 GMT -5
ay2013 is going to be taking over my admin role for this season. I don’t mind the idea of 2 matches a week so you might have the chance to beat an opponent who defeated you earlier in the season, but it will cause more work for everyone with submitting 2 rosters each week. Admins will have to spend more time too, and populating the shared spreadsheet will obviously take longer I assumed it would be one roster that you field against both opponents. That’s why I’m in favor of it. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on May 21, 2023 10:12:17 GMT -5
I *think* me and basil said we’d help with a secondary league if there was enough interest to start a second one. could be somewhat like a pro league where the top players from the second league get moved up to “this” league and the bottom players from the top league move down to the “relegation league”. there might not be enough interest and in that case, you all know I’d love to play lol. but that’s another caveat that could keep people involved all season, especially in this league. |
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Post by wcdiggs on May 21, 2023 10:17:25 GMT -5
I’ve never done a fantasy league but I kept up with this pretty closely last year and wanna give it a shot!
I like the idea of two matches per week but like Rainbow said, only 1 roster
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