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Post by eyeroll2021 on Aug 23, 2022 11:32:02 GMT -5
Kinda funny to think that these matches could be determined by whether or not the up refs call throws. Lol being in the midwest, seems Eggleston might wanna take less chances, but who knows. You do it up to the point until it gets called: establish where the officiating "line" is, then back up. ETA: assuming your ref is consistent. If they're not, then all bets are off... |
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Aug 23, 2022 11:40:05 GMT -5
I'm pumped for this match! I think the first match goes to OSU surprisingly easily and then Ohio State gets shell-shocked when Texas comes out as a different team firing on all cylinders in the second match. I think OSU still pushes to four in the second match, but the sets they lose aren't pretty. I'm goin' for a split! I'm surprised to see so many people who think TX will go 2-0! I thought it would be more in favor of OSU, but I understand both arguments. It's gonna be about whether the TX servers can limit their errors, IMO. If our servers are on, Texas 2-0. If we have a lot of service errors, then 1-1. My burnt orange brain refuses to contemplate 0-2. |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 23, 2022 12:06:30 GMT -5
I'm pumped for this match! I think the first match goes to OSU surprisingly easily and then Ohio State gets shell-shocked when Texas comes out as a different team firing on all cylinders in the second match. I think OSU still pushes to four in the second match, but the sets they lose aren't pretty. I'm goin' for a split! I'm surprised to see so many people who think TX will go 2-0! I thought it would be more in favor of OSU, but I understand both arguments. It's gonna be about whether the TX servers can limit their errors, IMO. If our servers are on, Texas 2-0. If we have a lot of service errors, then 1-1. My burnt orange brain refuses to contemplate 0-2. I just don't agree with this at all. If they can put points on the board with serves that put effective pressure on the tOSU serve receive, then having errors that go along with it are fine. Caffey had two amazing aces against Rice and followed up both of them with errors. A 50% conversion rate from the service line is going to win every match if your serve receive is even remotely decent, and I think UT's is going to be elite this year (am I allowed to say that?). I think as fans we concentrate waaaaaaaaay too much on aces and errors because that's what gets measured. First serve errors are a problem, but any serve that leads to an immediate side out is just as much of an issue. Service errors don't cost any more points than an in system kill from the opponent's OH or MB. And when you're talking about a 70% side out percentage in general, it makes every point scored off of a service rotation way more precious than every point given up. |
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Aug 23, 2022 13:10:52 GMT -5
It's gonna be about whether the TX servers can limit their errors, IMO. If our servers are on, Texas 2-0. If we have a lot of service errors, then 1-1. My burnt orange brain refuses to contemplate 0-2. I just don't agree with this at all. If they can put points on the board with serves that put effective pressure on the tOSU serve receive, then having errors that go along with it are fine. Caffey had two amazing aces against Rice and followed up both of them with errors. A 50% conversion rate from the service line is going to win every match if your serve receive is even remotely decent, and I think UT's is going to be elite this year (am I allowed to say that?). I think as fans we concentrate waaaaaaaaay too much on aces and errors because that's what gets measured. First serve errors are a problem, but any serve that leads to an immediate side out is just as much of an issue. Service errors don't cost any more points than an in system kill from the opponent's OH or MB. And when you're talking about a 70% side out percentage in general, it makes every point scored off of a service rotation way more precious than every point given up. I thought my new Point Texas club membership means I don't have to entertain this kind of plebe discussion? JK lol!  I should expand upon my original post - I was thinking about games (not matches - games) where we have had 5+ service errors. Sadly, they exist - and against a good opponent like tOSU, giving away free points like that is just shooting ourselves in the foot/ digging our own graves/ [insert self-defeating metaphor of choice] What struck me so much about Kentucky in the 2020 championship match was how remarkably low-error they were. I've never rewatched that match (too depressing) but it's a thought that has stayed with me since I watched live |
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Post by stanfordvb on Aug 23, 2022 13:48:37 GMT -5
I just don't agree with this at all. If they can put points on the board with serves that put effective pressure on the tOSU serve receive, then having errors that go along with it are fine. Caffey had two amazing aces against Rice and followed up both of them with errors. A 50% conversion rate from the service line is going to win every match if your serve receive is even remotely decent, and I think UT's is going to be elite this year (am I allowed to say that?). I think as fans we concentrate waaaaaaaaay too much on aces and errors because that's what gets measured. First serve errors are a problem, but any serve that leads to an immediate side out is just as much of an issue. Service errors don't cost any more points than an in system kill from the opponent's OH or MB. And when you're talking about a 70% side out percentage in general, it makes every point scored off of a service rotation way more precious than every point given up. What struck me so much about Kentucky in the 2020 championship match was how remarkably low-error they were. I've never rewatched that match (too depressing) but it's a thought that has stayed with me since I watched live its one of the best NCAA finals of all time you should really rewatch it |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 23, 2022 13:57:57 GMT -5
I just don't agree with this at all. If they can put points on the board with serves that put effective pressure on the tOSU serve receive, then having errors that go along with it are fine. Caffey had two amazing aces against Rice and followed up both of them with errors. A 50% conversion rate from the service line is going to win every match if your serve receive is even remotely decent, and I think UT's is going to be elite this year (am I allowed to say that?). I think as fans we concentrate waaaaaaaaay too much on aces and errors because that's what gets measured. First serve errors are a problem, but any serve that leads to an immediate side out is just as much of an issue. Service errors don't cost any more points than an in system kill from the opponent's OH or MB. And when you're talking about a 70% side out percentage in general, it makes every point scored off of a service rotation way more precious than every point given up. I thought my new Point Texas club membership means I don't have to entertain this kind of plebe discussion? JK lol! I should expand upon my original post - I was thinking about games (not matches - games) where we have had 5+ service errors. Sadly, they exist - and against a good opponent like tOSU, giving away free points like that is just shooting ourselves in the foot/ digging our own graves/ [insert self-defeating metaphor of choice] What struck me so much about Kentucky in the 2020 championship match was how remarkably low-error they were. I've never rewatched that match (too depressing) but it's a thought that has stayed with me since I watched live What struck me about the Kentucky match is that there were a few Kentucky serve rotations we simply couldn't get out of. As far as service errors, it's a little like basketball and having something called the one and one, where a player gets a chance at a free throw, and if they make it, they get a chance at the second one. So missing the first one is the equivalent of missing two. It's not exactly the same thing with serves, but for my purposes it will suffice. If someone goes on a run with their serve, then hits an error, it's not a big deal. Take the end of the 2nd set versus Nebraska last year, for example. O'Neal hits a service error, but it's after the team went on a mini run. SKT gets up next and commits a service error, but it's her first attempt (frankly mildly unfair to put her in that situation cold like that, but you have to depend on your players to perform, so I get it). So Texas commits two service errors at the end of the match, but one has a lot more importance than the other. So yes, if servers are committing 5+ service errors on their first serve, that's going to be an issue, and will inherently put tremendous pressure on getting quick side outs. But if servers are scoring points on their service rotation, but ending the rotation with an error, it's not that big of a deal. My big point is that by focusing on errors without any context, we miss the bigger picture. Service rotations only score about 1/3 of the time (as a general rule of thumb) so anything above that, whether it includes a service error or not, is fantastic. Anything which results in an immediate side out, whether it's from a service error or from a lollipop the other team slams into the floor after giving the setter all three attack options, is not good. Counting service errors as especially bad is not a good way of viewing them, IMO. |
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Post by texaslonghorns on Aug 23, 2022 13:58:46 GMT -5
What struck me so much about Kentucky in the 2020 championship match was how remarkably low-error they were. I've never rewatched that match (too depressing) but it's a thought that has stayed with me since I watched live its one of the best NCAA finals of all time you should really rewatch it easy for you to say as a Kentucky fan😂 |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 23, 2022 14:00:04 GMT -5
What struck me so much about Kentucky in the 2020 championship match was how remarkably low-error they were. I've never rewatched that match (too depressing) but it's a thought that has stayed with me since I watched live its one of the best NCAA finals of all time you should really rewatch it Boooooo. It is fantastic, but I don't blame any Texas fan for not wanting to watch it. Stop midway through the 2nd set. I don't watch the 2009 national championship against Alabama after Colt McCoy got hurt for the same reasons. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Aug 23, 2022 14:05:01 GMT -5
its one of the best NCAA finals of all time you should really rewatch it easy for you to say as a Kentucky fan😂 Im just as much of a Louisville fan and I still watch that semi final because Louisville played very well and its great volleyball. its painful but the quality of play is worth it |
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Post by texaslonghorns on Aug 23, 2022 14:06:25 GMT -5
easy for you to say as a Kentucky fan😂 Im just as much of a Louisville fan and I still watch that semi final because Louisville played very well and its great volleyball. its painful but the quality of play is worth it I just can’t do it no matter how good of volleyball it is |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 23, 2022 15:02:17 GMT -5
easy for you to say as a Kentucky fan😂 Im just as much of a Louisville fan and I still watch that semi final because Louisville played very well and its great volleyball. its painful but the quality of play is worth it I don’t know how you can say with a straight face you’re both a Louisville and Kentucky fan. I’m not doubting you. I’m merely questioning your commitment to the cause. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Aug 23, 2022 15:10:39 GMT -5
Im just as much of a Louisville fan and I still watch that semi final because Louisville played very well and its great volleyball. its painful but the quality of play is worth it I don’t know how you can say with a straight face you’re both a Louisville and Kentucky fan. I’m not doubting you. I’m merely questioning your commitment to the cause. grew up in Louisville being a cards fan and always have been, but I go to UK now. its a weird situation lol and I hate when they play each other |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 23, 2022 15:24:37 GMT -5
I don’t know how you can say with a straight face you’re both a Louisville and Kentucky fan. I’m not doubting you. I’m merely questioning your commitment to the cause. grew up in Louisville being a cards fan and always have been, but I go to UK now. its a weird situation lol and I hate when they play each other And your handle is stanfordvb. There’s nothing confusing about any of that. Nothing at all. Tell me you’re studying multiple personality disorders with your collegiate studies and it will all come around full circle. As an aside, I’ve never been around two cities that hated one another more than Louisville and Lexington. The rivalry encompasses a wide gamut of issues, with the signature manifestation being the basketball rivalry between the two schools. But it goes far beyond that. I imagine there’s all kinds of social land mines associated with your dual allegiance. Good luck with it! |
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Post by donut on Aug 23, 2022 16:03:44 GMT -5
As an aside, I’ve never been around two cities that hated one another more than Louisville and Lexington. The rivalry encompasses a wide gamut of issues, with the signature manifestation being the basketball rivalry between the two schools. But it goes far beyond that. I imagine there’s all kinds of social land mines associated with your dual allegiance. Good luck with it! I’ve got UofL in my immediate family, and UK in my extended family, and I’d say I’m a UK and UofL volleyball fan (moreso the first)! I think being a fan of both Kentucky teams makes sense because they are both “up-and-coming” programs, fighting against the blue bloods in the PAC and B1G. If they continue to play every year, and both teams continue to be elite, I could see the rivalry mirroring basketball, and it will get hard to root for both. Also as an aside: my experience is Lexington hates Louisville more, but UofL hates UK more. Both because they are kind of the “little brothers” to the other. Lexington is honestly just a very big college town. |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 23, 2022 16:09:18 GMT -5
As an aside, I’ve never been around two cities that hated one another more than Louisville and Lexington. The rivalry encompasses a wide gamut of issues, with the signature manifestation being the basketball rivalry between the two schools. But it goes far beyond that. I imagine there’s all kinds of social land mines associated with your dual allegiance. Good luck with it! I’ve got UofL in my immediate family, and UK in my extended family, and I’d say I’m a UK and UofL volleyball fan (moreso the first)! I think being a fan of both Kentucky teams makes sense because they are both “up-and-coming” programs, fighting against the blue bloods in the PAC and B1G. If they continue to play every year, and both teams continue to be elite, I could see the rivalry mirroring basketball, and it will get hard to root for both. Also as an aside: my experience is Lexington hates Louisville more, but UofL hates UK more. Both because they are kind of the “little brothers” to the other. Lexington is honestly just a very big college town. Well, and the state capital. There's plenty of political rivalry between the two cities as well. UK is also the big state school. And then you have the horse racing dynasties. Lots of areas of competitions between generations of families. You can add the Catholic/Protestant aspect to some extent as well. |
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