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Post by tablealgebra on Aug 24, 2022 15:21:22 GMT -5
Kinda funny to think that these matches could be determined by whether or not the up refs call throws. Lol being in the midwest, seems Eggleston might wanna take less chances, but who knows. You do it up to the point until it gets called: establish where the officiating "line" is, then back up. ETA: assuming your ref is consistent. If they're not, then all bets are off... There is something to be said though for habits carrying over from match to match and you can't just change them on the fly. In international beach this summer there was some controversy where they suddenly decided to start enforcing double touches on sets a lot harder and it was a huge controversy. Players who were used to setting a certain way were getting called for 5-10 violations per match and some of them just started bump setting because they couldn't figure out how to change up what they were doing mid-match (plus, officials were struggling to adjust to the new rules that were being dictated to them). So if Eggleston is used to things being called a certain way and suddenly the line changes, it could be really hard to change up what she does. But I don't know why she does that anyway. She has an international career ahead of her and for the life of me I don't understand how learning to throw the ball legally according to US rules is going to help her in those aspirations. |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 24, 2022 15:22:31 GMT -5
Ummm Texas fans where are we at? I’ve never seen Texas lose in votes before👀 Is it losing in votes for people to say there will be a split? |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 24, 2022 15:25:40 GMT -5
You do it up to the point until it gets called: establish where the officiating "line" is, then back up. ETA: assuming your ref is consistent. If they're not, then all bets are off... There is something to be said though for habits carrying over from match to match and you can't just change them on the fly. In international beach this summer there was some controversy where they suddenly decided to start enforcing double touches on sets a lot harder and it was a huge controversy. Players who were used to setting a certain way were getting called for 5-10 violations per match and some of them just started bump setting because they couldn't figure out how to change up what they were doing mid-match (plus, officials were struggling to adjust to the new rules that were being dictated to them). So if Eggleston is used to things being called a certain way and suddenly the line changes, it could be really hard to change up what she does. But I don't know why she does that anyway. She has an international career ahead of her and for the life of me I don't understand how learning to throw the ball legally according to US rules is going to help her in those aspirations. Well, one thing they definitely changed the rules on was an assistant riding the ref the way Hildebrand was that match. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Aug 24, 2022 15:35:11 GMT -5
(of course, this is easy for me to say because I think the throws are an abomination that are completely against the spirit of the game, but mainly I want to defend the ref's ability to call some edge plays and let others go) just as a curiosity, what's your opinion on setter dumps? |
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Post by nellynel on Aug 24, 2022 15:46:23 GMT -5
I think people need to be more worried about Logan launching a rocket at someone’s nose more than any throw impacting a game.
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 24, 2022 15:48:25 GMT -5
I'm getting so pumped to watch this game!! You going? I thought this wasn't televised. Edit: Just saw TX scheduled was updated and it's on!! |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Aug 24, 2022 15:57:56 GMT -5
You do it up to the point until it gets called: establish where the officiating "line" is, then back up. ETA: assuming your ref is consistent. If they're not, then all bets are off... There is something to be said though for habits carrying over from match to match and you can't just change them on the fly. In international beach this summer there was some controversy where they suddenly decided to start enforcing double touches on sets a lot harder and it was a huge controversy. Players who were used to setting a certain way were getting called for 5-10 violations per match and some of them just started bump setting because they couldn't figure out how to change up what they were doing mid-match (plus, officials were struggling to adjust to the new rules that were being dictated to them). So if Eggleston is used to things being called a certain way and suddenly the line changes, it could be really hard to change up what she does. But I don't know why she does that anyway. She has an international career ahead of her and for the life of me I don't understand how learning to throw the ball legally according to US rules is going to help her in those aspirations. If she (and others) can’t adapt, that’s on her. I think that’s not only part of the game, but part of being an athlete in general- finding advantages within your capabilities and the rules both. If it were flipped and refs decided what the heck, let them play, the question would be what players can adapt to gain that advantage, no? I’d be curious to see what percentage of her attacks we’d consider throws. My guess is not many, but it’s a ‘thing’ now, so yeah she might have to revert back to her attacking style from earlier in her career since everyone seems to be watching. If she can’t do that, she’ll get left behind, but she’s a smart athlete. My guess is she’ll do what the poster above said- push it until it’s called and then do things like normal. PS: I’m curious how often the coaches in the Texas gym call her out on it. She’s got to know she’s the most high profile ncaa player being watched for throwing at this point. |
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Post by diatx on Aug 24, 2022 16:42:03 GMT -5
Ummm Texas fans where are we at? I’ve never seen Texas lose in votes before👀 I've only voted once ever on one of these match polls and we lost so I can't vote ever again  #nojinx |
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Post by gohuskervolleyball on Aug 24, 2022 16:42:13 GMT -5
I’m curious about the percentage of kills Logan got off of her throws, and why it’s really questionable if she could adjust to not using them midgame, especially when she has an impressive selection of shots she’s shown over the past few seasons.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 24, 2022 16:57:04 GMT -5
I’m curious about the percentage of kills Logan got off of her throws, and why it’s really questionable if she could adjust to not using them midgame, especially when she has an impressive selection of shots she’s shown over the past few seasons. I don't even understand who is saying it's questionable she could adjust midgame. What I'm saying is that if no ref calls her on it early in the year, no ref calls her on it in conference play, no ref calls her on it in the first 3 rounds of the tournament, no ref calls her on it for the first three sets of the Nebraska match, and you have Hildebrand in the ear of the ref every time she does the palm hit with the ball that she does...and THEN you call it...there's no adjustment to be made. At least GIVE her a chance to make an adjustment, rather than signaling to her all season, and all tournament, and all match that it's just fine until a little more than midway through the 4th set. If it's going to be an issue, early in the Ohio State match would be a GREAT time to call her on it aggressively. |
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Post by gohuskervolleyball on Aug 24, 2022 17:02:35 GMT -5
I’m curious about the percentage of kills Logan got off of her throws, and why it’s really questionable if she could adjust to not using them midgame, especially when she has an impressive selection of shots she’s shown over the past few seasons. I don't even understand who is saying it's questionable she could adjust midgame. What I'm saying is that if no ref calls her on it early in the year, no ref calls her on it in conference play, no ref calls her on it in the first 3 rounds of the tournament, no ref calls her on it for the first three sets of the Nebraska match, and you have Hildebrand in the ear of the ref every time she does the palm hit with the ball that she does...and THEN you call it...there's no adjustment to be made. At least GIVE her a chance to make an adjustment, rather than signaling to her all season, and all tournament, and all match that it's just fine until a little more than midway through the 4th set. If it's going to be an issue, early in the Ohio State match would be a GREAT time to call her on it aggressively. Oh no, I definitely agree and I’m not referring to just the Nebraska game either. I’m more so questioning if her other shots in general haven’t proven to be just as effective as throwing given how much she tends to use it, especially last year. I can definitely understand the do it until it’s called concept, but it’s not like she doesn’t have several other options to get kills. |
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Post by dl3ww on Aug 24, 2022 17:12:15 GMT -5
Ummm Texas fans where are we at? I’ve never seen Texas lose in votes before👀 I've only voted once ever on one of these match polls and we lost so I can't vote ever again #nojinx I don’t think it’s losing, it’s safe to assume OSU could take a match when they return most of their core (they’re only missing 1 person iirc) where as Texas only has 3 of their starting players back.. we’ll have to see if all this talent gels well together! |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 24, 2022 17:13:02 GMT -5
I don't even understand who is saying it's questionable she could adjust midgame. What I'm saying is that if no ref calls her on it early in the year, no ref calls her on it in conference play, no ref calls her on it in the first 3 rounds of the tournament, no ref calls her on it for the first three sets of the Nebraska match, and you have Hildebrand in the ear of the ref every time she does the palm hit with the ball that she does...and THEN you call it...there's no adjustment to be made. At least GIVE her a chance to make an adjustment, rather than signaling to her all season, and all tournament, and all match that it's just fine until a little more than midway through the 4th set. If it's going to be an issue, early in the Ohio State match would be a GREAT time to call her on it aggressively. Oh no, I definitely agree and I’m not referring to just the Nebraska game either. I’m more so questioning if her other shots in general haven’t proven to be just as effective as throwing given how much she tends to use it, especially last year. I can definitely understand the do it until it’s called concept, but it’s not like she doesn’t have several other options to get kills. Yeah, I can't speak to her strategy, her mindset, or the mindset of the Texas coaching staff. It's obvious to me they see nothing wrong with it. But no one else on the team does it, and it's not like Texas as a program has a reputation for it. Skylar Fields didn't do it. Micaya White didn't do it. Brionne Butler didn't do it. Molly Phillips doesn't do it. So...I don't know. Just as a complete guess, when she's up in the air and she sees an opening on the opponents' side of the net, she simply gets the ball there in whatever way she can. If the refs would call her on it aggressively, she'd figure out a different way. It's not that they didn't call her aggressively last year. They didn't call it AT ALL. That call against Nebraska is the ONLY time I can remember it being called against her all season. It's also the only time a coach worked the ref about it so aggressively all season, too. Like I said, if refs are going to call her for it, early in the Ohio State match would be a good time to start. Otherwise as a sport the officials are simply sending mixed signals, and that's not doing anyone any good. |
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Post by jwvolley on Aug 24, 2022 17:19:26 GMT -5
I’m curious about the percentage of kills Logan got off of her throws, and why it’s really questionable if she could adjust to not using them midgame, especially when she has an impressive selection of shots she’s shown over the past few seasons. I don't even understand who is saying it's questionable she could adjust midgame. What I'm saying is that if no ref calls her on it early in the year, no ref calls her on it in conference play, no ref calls her on it in the first 3 rounds of the tournament, no ref calls her on it for the first three sets of the Nebraska match, and you have Hildebrand in the ear of the ref every time she does the palm hit with the ball that she does...and THEN you call it...there's no adjustment to be made. At least GIVE her a chance to make an adjustment, rather than signaling to her all season, and all tournament, and all match that it's just fine until a little more than midway through the 4th set. If it's going to be an issue, early in the Ohio State match would be a GREAT time to call her on it aggressively. That's also just inconsistency from conference to conference. That sort of contact was called quite a bit last year in the B1G. |
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 24, 2022 17:29:34 GMT -5
I’m curious about the percentage of kills Logan got off of her throws, and why it’s really questionable if she could adjust to not using them midgame, especially when she has an impressive selection of shots she’s shown over the past few seasons. I don't even understand who is saying it's questionable she could adjust midgame. What I'm saying is that if no ref calls her on it early in the year, no ref calls her on it in conference play, no ref calls her on it in the first 3 rounds of the tournament, no ref calls her on it for the first three sets of the Nebraska match, and you have Hildebrand in the ear of the ref every time she does the palm hit with the ball that she does...and THEN you call it...there's no adjustment to be made. At least GIVE her a chance to make an adjustment, rather than signaling to her all season, and all tournament, and all match that it's just fine until a little more than midway through the 4th set. If it's going to be an issue, early in the Ohio State match would be a GREAT time to call her on it aggressively. I agree that calling any violation like thrown balls consistently during the season is best.
Last season the B1G officials started making the call on Stivrins when she returned from injury. IMO it did affect her game to an extent but gave her time to adjust before tournament time.
That being said, if the B12 refs do not make a call during the regular season, it isn't the responsibility of non-B12 refs to let it go come tournament time. We should not expect opposing coaches to keep quiet about something they see as an unfair advantage when their players have been called for something all season in another conference.
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