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Post by hammer on Aug 29, 2022 12:07:58 GMT -5
Do voters rank certain teams higher to try and combat other ballots, thinking that team won’t get the respect they deserve by other voters? And also vice versa, by not ranking a team? Seems like the only explanation for some of these votes lol (on this poll and past ones). I don't, but can't speak for others.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 29, 2022 12:18:21 GMT -5
IMO - there were more teams 'worthy' of being in the T25. A handful of teams played their way into the T25 while other's didn't do anything wrong to get out. This created a bit of a logjam at the bottom (for me). What do you do with UCF who didn't play? They dropped from #24 in my preseason ballot to off. Western Kentucky was another casualty. Purdue, Baylor, Kansas, and Arkansas making a case to be in the T25 and Michigan who think should have already been in the T25. Just not enough room right now for everyone deserving. I think that is pretty much true after a week every year. Too much optimism at this point for too many teams with far too few data points. I'm not sure San Diego really deserved to move up so much higher than Baylor for a single win versus now #10 Pitt versus Baylor beating now # 6 Wisconsin and with a reasonably competitive loss to now #3 Minnesota? Luckily it doesn't much matter, since San Diego will immediately have the opportunity to prove their level this week.
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Post by bigfan on Aug 29, 2022 12:20:44 GMT -5
Pepperdine will be ranked soon
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Post by karma on Aug 29, 2022 12:22:46 GMT -5
Pepperdine will be ranked soon Hoping Ahrens gets back to 100% because if she does then they definitely will/should be.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 29, 2022 12:25:42 GMT -5
Pepperdine will be ranked soon Another case where we won't have to guess. Matches against Baylor, Washington, Minnesota and Washington State will show their ceiling, and then they need to show they are clearly better than UCSB and Cal Poly,
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Aug 29, 2022 12:28:32 GMT -5
Pepperdine will be ranked soon I had them 25th in my preseason poll
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Post by volleyfan24 on Aug 29, 2022 12:40:57 GMT -5
Do voters rank certain teams higher to try and combat other ballots, thinking that team won’t get the respect they deserve by other voters? And also vice versa, by not ranking a team? Seems like the only explanation for some of these votes lol (on this poll and past ones). It’s hard enough ranking teams especially after the first week that I don’t even think of anyone else’s ballot I just look at my prior week rankings, week performance and that’s really it. I would be surprised if someone did that.
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Post by Draco_MN on Aug 29, 2022 12:44:10 GMT -5
Do voters rank certain teams higher to try and combat other ballots, thinking that team won’t get the respect they deserve by other voters? And also vice versa, by not ranking a team? Seems like the only explanation for some of these votes lol (on this poll and past ones). It’s hard enough ranking teams especially after the first week that I don’t even think of anyone else’s ballot I just look at my prior week rankings, week performance and that’s really it. I would be surprised if someone did that. Exactly my process. I try to keep out the other influences like the AVCA poll from last week, the VT poll from last week and focus on my own list, ranking where I think the teams should be, without any motive to try to affect a team's total points for the final ranking, one way or the other
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Post by baytree on Aug 29, 2022 12:46:21 GMT -5
Do voters rank certain teams higher to try and combat other ballots, thinking that team won’t get the respect they deserve by other voters? And also vice versa, by not ranking a team? Seems like the only explanation for some of these votes lol (on this poll and past ones). I don't rank higher trying to combat other ballots except at the bottom of the ballot. There, I might rank a team that I think deserves recognition, e.g., 24 or 25 even though there's a fairly large group of teams that are in the 20-30 range for me. Really, I could put any of them there. But if there was a team that didn't get many votes last week in that group, I might favor them.
I don't look at my prior ballots this early in the season. I don't want to be influenced by my guesstimate that is based on very little data.
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Post by jcvball22 on Aug 29, 2022 12:48:41 GMT -5
It’s hard enough ranking teams especially after the first week that I don’t even think of anyone else’s ballot I just look at my prior week rankings, week performance and that’s really it. I would be surprised if someone did that. Exactly my process. I try to keep out the other influences like the AVCA poll from last week, the VT poll from last week and focus on my own list, ranking where I think the teams should be, without any motive to try to affect a team's total points for the final ranking, one way or the other I don't even look at the AVCA poll when it comes out. It's usually a mild disaster. But my process is the same as yours. I don't have time to go full-blown conspiracy theory with my ballot. But, to be fair, I am also the person who is feeling a bit smug about (admittedly, accidentally) ranking Baylor rather high (waaaayyyy higher than I should have) in the preseason ballot and also forgetting to add Arkansas this week, despite leaving myself a note to do so. So, there's a lot less method to the madness than most people think.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 29, 2022 12:58:18 GMT -5
Penn State at 9!?
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Post by knapplc on Aug 29, 2022 13:03:33 GMT -5
Has there ever been a discussion of tossing out each team's highest and lowest rankings?
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Post by photos1 on Aug 29, 2022 13:14:26 GMT -5
After looking at this poll I don’t believe any real case can ever again be made to criticize the AVCA poll. After the first week the sample size is small enough that head to head matches that did occur should be absolute and controlling in these rankings, but they are not. For example, how can anyone place Wisconsin in front of Baylor, in this poll? If you did, your ballot is moot. I also think not ranking LBSU is comically wrong. But hey, it will all work itself out. I just found it on the floor laughing hysterical that in this “superior” poll Wisconsin continues to be ahead of a team that beat them during the first weekend of the season…based on what? -not based on the only criteria that matters; on court play during the 2022 fall season. The AVCA poll has been bashed bashed for this, but the VT poll has proven itself to be no different.
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Post by savannahbadger on Aug 29, 2022 13:14:52 GMT -5
I just don't see how anyone can rank Nebraska over Texas over what we saw this weekend. I didn’t watch a ton of any of the matches with those teams, but I saw enough to say they’re both really damn good. I don’t know if I saw enough to say Texas is clearly better than Nebraska though.
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Post by volleyfan24 on Aug 29, 2022 13:15:03 GMT -5
I think our poll is very what have you done for me lately. Which is what it should be the season is still early so teams 16 down are just a shot in the dark for most. Lots of this will sort itself out as we get further into the season.
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