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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 14, 2022 14:29:30 GMT -5
sometimes I think it would be interesting to compare the ratios of team points in each match gained via: - kills (and aces, since an ace is similar to a kill from the service line) - blocks - unforced errors by the other team (attack errors other than being blocked, service errors, BHEs, net contact, rotation faults, etc.) just to see how those ratios vary across different matches. (perhaps coaches do look at analytics like that, I'm just a fan who doesn't see much of the behind-the-scenes stuff like that) Here's a start to that rabbit hole. It doesn't have a lot of the actual stats, but Joe Trinsey does a very good job getting into the weeds of the analysis. Joe is a regular contributor here - can't remember his exact user name but it is some variation of his name (JTrinsey maybe?) Um, did you intend to post a link to something? Because if you did, I don't see it.
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Post by huskerang74 on Nov 14, 2022 14:58:06 GMT -5
Does a block only count in the stats if a point is scored?
I was watching a game yesterday where we had 2-3 swings blocked per rally, but at the end of the set, the stat board said we had 2 blocks. I would find that totally disheartening as a blocker.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 14, 2022 15:04:31 GMT -5
Does a block only count in the stats if a point is scored? Yes. For stats, it is only a "block" if it scores a point.
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 14, 2022 15:11:40 GMT -5
Does a block only count in the stats if a point is scored? correct. the "block" statistic is only for a block that ends a rally, just like an attack only counts as a "kill" if it terminates the rally. my guess is that if an attack goes off the block, and the attacking team hits the ball a time or two in an attempt to cover before the ball finally hits the floor (or someone double-contacts it), it still is recorded as a "block", but if the team is able to regain enough control to make a decent attempt to hit it back across the net (whether it is a true attack or a free ball), then it is not recorded as a block, since the rally continues on. At least that is what I've gathered as an observer (not having been formally trained in vb statkeeping)
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Post by justahick on Nov 14, 2022 15:12:26 GMT -5
Here's a start to that rabbit hole. It doesn't have a lot of the actual stats, but Joe Trinsey does a very good job getting into the weeds of the analysis. Joe is a regular contributor here - can't remember his exact user name but it is some variation of his name (JTrinsey maybe?) Um, did you intend to post a link to something? Because if you did, I don't see it smartervolley.substack.com/
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Post by volleyball303 on Nov 14, 2022 16:19:24 GMT -5
Has an avca top 25 team ever missed the tournament because of rpi?
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Post by orangecurtain on Nov 14, 2022 16:29:20 GMT -5
What counts as a dig? When a ball is passed on a tip attempt, is it a dig or is it a judgment call depending on how hard the tip is? What is a ball is touched on a block attempt? If the ball comes out of the touch as a lollipop, does it count as a dig? If the ball changes direction after the block so that passing the ball is more difficult, is that a dig?
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Post by justahick on Nov 14, 2022 17:22:39 GMT -5
What counts as a dig? When a ball is passed on a tip attempt, is it a dig or is it a judgment call depending on how hard the tip is? What is a ball is touched on a block attempt? If the ball comes out of the touch as a lollipop, does it count as a dig? If the ball changes direction after the block so that passing the ball is more difficult, is that a dig? If I understand all of your examples correctly, they are all digs. Lots of examples and definitions in the link. www.ncaa.org/sports/2013/11/19/ncaa-volleyball-statisticians-manuals.aspx"A dig (D) is awarded when a player passes the ball that has been attacked by the opposition. Digs are given only when players receive an attacked ball and it is kept in play, not when a ball is brought up off a “put back” (blocked ball). Philosophy. The pass or play of any ball that is attacked is awarded a dig. The ball can be kept in play on the digger’s side of the net or can go back to the opposition. In either case, a dig is awarded. Note: If an attack, as defined in Section 1, occurs and the ball is kept in play, then a player on the defending team receives a dig." "An attack attempt (ATT) is recorded any time a player attacks to attack (hit strategically) the ball into the opponent’s court. The ball may be spiked, set, tipped or hit as an overhead contact. Philosophy. Any ball that is played over the net in an attempt to score a point should be considered an attack. Any ball played over the net simply to keep the ball alive should not be considered an attack attempt."
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 14, 2022 17:28:31 GMT -5
Philosophy. Any ball played over the net simply to keep the ball alive should not be considered an attack attempt." The exception is if it falls for a point. If a free ball is passed, it is not an attack attempt and not a dig. But if it happens to fall for a point, then it becomes a kill. All kills are the result of an attack, so it also becomes an attack attempt. (Still not a dig, for obvious reasons.)
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Post by justahick on Nov 14, 2022 17:46:52 GMT -5
Philosophy. Any ball played over the net simply to keep the ball alive should not be considered an attack attempt." The exception is if it falls for a point. If a free ball is passed, it is not an attack attempt and not a dig. But if it happens to fall for a point, then it becomes a kill. All kills are the result of an attack, so it also becomes an attack attempt. (Still not a dig, for obvious reasons.) Correct, same for an overpass or dig over that falls.
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Post by anastasia1 on Nov 14, 2022 17:50:17 GMT -5
i have been thinking about this for a while what difference does the type of ball (Mikasa, Molten, Tachikara) have on play? Is there any difference at all? How do programs decide which one to use?
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Post by ned3vball on Nov 14, 2022 19:20:05 GMT -5
Why do people buy vowels on Jeopardy when they know the answer?!? Yes, not a stupid volleyball question, a stupid Jeopardy question. but I want to know and don't follow a Jeopardy chat board.
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Post by JT on Nov 14, 2022 19:30:43 GMT -5
Why do people buy vowels on Jeopardy when they know the answer?!? Yes, not a stupid volleyball question, a stupid Jeopardy question. but I want to know and don't follow a Jeopardy chat board. This is a *REALLY* stupid Jeopardy question, but as a Wheel Of Fortune question... "Paranoia and double-checking, for a relatively cheap cost."
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Post by ned3vball on Nov 14, 2022 19:42:15 GMT -5
Why do people buy vowels on Jeopardy when they know the answer?!? Yes, not a stupid volleyball question, a stupid Jeopardy question. but I want to know and don't follow a Jeopardy chat board. This is a *REALLY* stupid Jeopardy question, but as a Wheel Of Fortune question... "Paranoia and double-checking, for a relatively cheap cost." Oh my gosh! I nailed it! The jeopardy Tournament of Champions final just started. I am easily confused.
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 14, 2022 19:42:40 GMT -5
What is the percentage of times that the "prize puzzle" winner on WoF is the one that gets to go to the bonus round. My guess is 75% or higher (though I don't really like the show, so I'm not about to waste time doing research to verify or dispel that assumption)
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