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Post by CompSci87 on Dec 6, 2022 16:18:57 GMT -5
Not so much volleyball, but electronics or computer question. During VB matches, both my TV and my desktop (Windows 11) keep missing serves. It's not a constant problem. Only happens about 40% of the time. So it's inconsistent, which makes it even more frustrating. And no matter what settings I adjust it doesn't get better. For example, the last Hawaii tournament match, my desktop missed the ace serve that ended the match. Imagine my frustration. And yes, I've tried re-booting the computer and I unplugged the TV and plugged it back in. No change. I wish it was still baseball season, so I could check to see if TV/computer are missing pitches. Grrrrr! Tips appreciated. It could just be a production error, where the broadcast lingered on a replay (or something) so long that they missed the serve. In that case nobody else saw it either. Another possibility is that your Internet connection is slow or having packet loss issues. Your stream gets behind real time and every now and then skips ahead to catch up. That's not so likely if this is on your TV with cable service, more likely on your computer, though. |
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Post by robtearle on Dec 6, 2022 16:23:26 GMT -5
It is the system the team is running. The first number (5 or 6) is the number of different hitters that will be in the front row through the 6 rotations. The second number (1 or 2) is the number of setters used in the 6 rotations. In a 5-1 a team will have 2 left side outside hitters (OH), 2 middle blockers (MB), 1 right side opposite hitter (Opp), and 1 setter. In a 6-2 a team will have 2 OH, 2 MB, 2 Opps, and 2 setters. When the setter would rotate into the front row she would substitute out for an Opp and the Opp who was on the floor would sub out for the other setter who would come into serve. Another possibility, although much rarer, is a 5-2 where the setter rotates through the front row like in the 5-1 but the team uses a different setter, normally taller, for the front row than the back row. Note that you don’t *need* to sub out the setter(s) when they rotate to the front. While uncommon (rare, even?) you can have a player who sets when she is in the back row, and hits when in the front row (with the player opposite her taking setting responsibility). Gophers ran a 6-2 with both setters playing all six rotations back in 2004 and 05. Pitt right now has one of their two setters - Rachel Fairbanks - play as the front row right side attacker across the front when the other setter - Lexis Akeo - is back row setting. Akeo does sub out. |
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Post by robtearle on Dec 6, 2022 16:24:52 GMT -5
Not so much volleyball, but electronics or computer question. During VB matches, both my TV and my desktop (Windows 11) keep missing serves. It's not a constant problem. Only happens about 40% of the time. So it's inconsistent, which makes it even more frustrating. And no matter what settings I adjust it doesn't get better. For example, the last Hawaii tournament match, my desktop missed the ace serve that ended the match. Imagine my frustration. And yes, I've tried re-booting the computer and I unplugged the TV and plugged it back in. No change. I wish it was still baseball season, so I could check to see if TV/computer are missing pitches. Grrrrr! Tips appreciated. It could just be a production error, where the broadcast lingered on a replay (or something) so long that they missed the serve. In that case nobody else saw it either. Another possibility is that your Internet connection is slow or having packet loss issues. Your stream gets behind real time and every now and then skips ahead to catch up. That's not so likely if this is on your TV with cable service, more likely on your computer, though. A third possibility is that the post was tongue-in-cheek, sarcasm. |
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Post by CompSci87 on Dec 6, 2022 19:19:32 GMT -5
It could just be a production error, where the broadcast lingered on a replay (or something) so long that they missed the serve. In that case nobody else saw it either. Another possibility is that your Internet connection is slow or having packet loss issues. Your stream gets behind real time and every now and then skips ahead to catch up. That's not so likely if this is on your TV with cable service, more likely on your computer, though. A third possibility is that the post was tongue-in-cheek, sarcasm. Yeah, that occurred to me too. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 6, 2022 20:18:07 GMT -5
Here's a question: Why in soccer is a ball out of bounds if the entire ball is outside the vertical plane of the boundary, whereas in volleyball the ball merely has to not physically touch the marked boundary on the floor?
And which is better?
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Post by jayj79 on Dec 6, 2022 20:50:28 GMT -5
Here's a question: Why in soccer is a ball out of bounds if the entire ball is outside the vertical plane of the boundary, whereas in volleyball the ball merely has to not physically touch the marked boundary on the floor? And which is better? because in volleyball, the objective is to have the ball contact the floor inside of the opponent's court (within 3 or less contacts, not counting a blocking action). where the ball is when it is in flight is irrelevant (except for when it is crossing the net, at which point it has to be fully between the antennae) as far as "which is better?", that is like asking if it is better to allow the ball to be contacted by the hands/forearms, or to make such contact a violation. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 6, 2022 22:42:20 GMT -5
Here's a question: Why in soccer is a ball out of bounds if the entire ball is outside the vertical plane of the boundary, whereas in volleyball the ball merely has to not physically touch the marked boundary on the floor? And which is better? because in volleyball, the objective is to have the ball contact the floor inside of the opponent's court (within 3 or less contacts, not counting a blocking action). where the ball is when it is in flight is irrelevant (except for when it is crossing the net, at which point it has to be fully between the antennae) as far as "which is better?", that is like asking if it is better to allow the ball to be contacted by the hands/forearms, or to make such contact a violation. That first statement is just a tautology: it is that because it is that. I'm more interested in why it is different between the two sports. Is there a sense to the difference, or it just arbitrary, as your answer indirectly suggests? |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 6, 2022 22:59:01 GMT -5
because in volleyball, the objective is to have the ball contact the floor inside of the opponent's court (within 3 or less contacts, not counting a blocking action). where the ball is when it is in flight is irrelevant (except for when it is crossing the net, at which point it has to be fully between the antennae) as far as "which is better?", that is like asking if it is better to allow the ball to be contacted by the hands/forearms, or to make such contact a violation. That first statement is just a tautology: it is that because it is that. I'm more interested in why it is different between the two sports. Is there a sense to the difference, or it just arbitrary, as your answer indirectly suggests? Huh? I thought Jay's point was quite clear. In sports like tennis or volleyball or badminton, the main goal of the sport is to have the ball (or birdie) contact the floor on the opponent's side. Thus, where the ball contacts the floor is the big deal, not where it is in the air. This is a non-arbitrary reason for the basis of the call to be where the ball touches the ground. In other sports it can be more arbitrary. In soccer, the ball is out when it crosses the line, whether in the air or not. In basketball the ball is not out when it crosses the line -- it's only out if it is grounded or touches something (or someone) that is out of play. In baseball it's even more complicated, because the ball can touch the ground foul and then roll fair and still be a fair ball -- but only in the infield. But if it touches a person then the ball is fair or foul depending on where the ball is, and not where the person is. If it lands foul in the outfield it is immediately foul without any need for someone to touch it. |
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Post by ca245 on Dec 6, 2022 23:14:39 GMT -5
To elaborate on mikegarrison's point, in soccer the scoring objective is to send the ball into the goal, entirely out of the playing area. Since this can occur either in the air or on the ground, if any part of the ball still projects over any part of the goal line, a goal has not been scored and therefore the ball is still in play. With this definition of whether a goal has been scored or not, it follows that for game action along the end and side lines, the same definition applies for whether the ball is still in play -- witness the goal scored by Japan against Spain in the World Cup that is going on.
And, IIRC, for ice hockey the same requirement applies for whether a goal has been scored: the entire puck must have crossed the goal line.
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 7, 2022 0:18:37 GMT -5
To elaborate on mikegarrison's point, in soccer the scoring objective is to send the ball into the goal, entirely out of the playing area. Since this can occur either in the air or on the ground, if any part of the ball still projects over any part of the goal line, a goal has not been scored and therefore the ball is still in play. With this definition of whether a goal has been scored or not, it follows that for game action along the end and side lines, the same definition applies for whether the ball is still in play -- witness the goal scored by Japan against Spain in the World Cup that is going on. And, IIRC, for ice hockey the same requirement applies for whether a goal has been scored: the entire puck must have crossed the goal line. This is the best answer. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 7, 2022 0:59:04 GMT -5
To my mind. the right answer depends on what you can actually perceive.
The soccer answer seems more conceptually objective to me. The ball is either above the line or not, and distortion of the ball has almost no consequence on that. But you need a very specific view to determine if the ball is above the line (look at all the deceptive angles and the Japan goal against Spain). It makes sense from the point of view of what determines a goal. But, man, the controversy.
The volleyball answer is more about what you can actually observe. It's more operational. Did the ball touch the line or not? You don't need one particular camera angle (from directly overhead, or directly in-line) to decide that. It seems a little more arbitrary (because it does depend on the ball's distortion upon hitting the floor), but also easier and clearer to implement. Harder to argue against, and talk about ad infinitum.
Of course, one of the main points of sports is to get us to talk about random stuff, so what do I know?
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Post by ca245 on Dec 7, 2022 11:04:23 GMT -5
In the World Cup, there would not be any controversy as to whether a goal has been scored. There is a chip embedded in the ball and sensors along the goal line that can tell you definitively whether the entire ball entered the goal. But it is not practical to do this along the couple hundred meters of side and end lines, so in rare instances you get controversies like the Japanese goal.
Bottom line, the “in” v “out” definitions are the same in VB and soccer. It is just that the scoring actions are defined in opposing ways in the two sports. In VB ones scores by having the ball land IN the field of play, whereas in soccer one scores by impelling the ball into the goal, OUT of the field of play.
If you want to pick on a sport that does it differently, look at American football. One scores a touchdown if just the tip of the ball touches the vertical plane defined by the goal line — the entire ball doesn’t have to cross the goal line.
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Post by jayj79 on Dec 7, 2022 11:41:22 GMT -5
If you want to pick on a sport that does it differently, look at American football. One scores a touchdown if just the tip of the ball touches the vertical plane defined by the goal line — the entire ball doesn’t have to cross the goal line. Ironically, it is even possible to score a touchdown without the ball ever actually being in the endzone at all. For instance, a receiver reaches to catch a ball that is thrown along the sideline, but keeps both feet in the endzone when making the catch, before stepping out, with the ball never actually entering the endzone itself. I'm pretty sure that would still count at a TD. Of course, I still take issue with calling them "touchdowns", when it isn't required to actually touch the ball down in the endzone. Where as that IS a requirement in rugby... but they don't call them "touchdowns" in that sport; they are "tries" But I digress. |
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Post by ca245 on Dec 7, 2022 13:41:34 GMT -5
And. if one wants to get really picky about it, why call it [American] football, considering how rarely a foot contacts the ball.
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Post by juancook on Dec 7, 2022 13:43:19 GMT -5
And. if one wants to get really picky about it, why call it [American] football, considering how rarely a foot contacts the ball. My friends, family and I all call it "throwball"  |
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