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Post by stevehorn on Nov 1, 2022 10:19:35 GMT -5
But otherwise, if you are reliably a multi-bid conference, they are at best just a waste of time and money, and at worst a chance for one of your teams to actually play themselves out of a bid. You don't have to take all of your conference teams to the conference tournament (and the majority don't) Many teams can play themselves 'in' to the tournament. Mid-majors who are in bubble/seed range usually see increases in their RPI rankings with the conference tournaments more often than not (obviously unless they take a big loss). Take the Mountain West tournament for example this year. That is extremely likely to be a net positive for the conference rather than a negative or anyone playing themselves out. In the B1G or PAC for example though, maybe the bubble teams could get hot and win it all. Extremely unlikely, yeah. But at least getting to the final would likely be enough to put those teams in, heck, in some cases, even just making the semifinals. It's not like the losses most teams would take in that tournament are going to be season ending. Why should a bubble team get another opportunity to make the tournament on essentially a fluke? They had the whole regular season to earn a bid. |
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Post by b1gnetwerth on Nov 1, 2022 10:20:05 GMT -5
I like this bracket. If Purdue has a shot at an Elite 8, this bracket is a possible route.
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Post by horns1 on Nov 1, 2022 10:22:49 GMT -5
You don't have to take all of your conference teams to the conference tournament (and the majority don't) Many teams can play themselves 'in' to the tournament. Mid-majors who are in bubble/seed range usually see increases in their RPI rankings with the conference tournaments more often than not (obviously unless they take a big loss). Take the Mountain West tournament for example this year. That is extremely likely to be a net positive for the conference rather than a negative or anyone playing themselves out. In the B1G or PAC for example though, maybe the bubble teams could get hot and win it all. Extremely unlikely, yeah. But at least getting to the final would likely be enough to put those teams in, heck, in some cases, even just making the semifinals. It's not like the losses most teams would take in that tournament are going to be season ending. Why should a bubble team get another opportunity to make the tournament on essentially a fluke? They had the whole regular season to earn a bid. Well, conference tournaments are how men's and women's hoops decide their automatic qualifier. Same for soccer, softball, baseball, tennis, golf, etc. Volleyball not having conference tournaments is more the exception. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Nov 1, 2022 10:28:53 GMT -5
Why should a bubble team get another opportunity to make the tournament on essentially a fluke? They had the whole regular season to earn a bid. The Phillies are seriously shushing you right now. It is the age-old discussion of whether you pick the team with the best body of work or the team that is playing the best right now. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 1, 2022 10:36:49 GMT -5
You don't have to take all of your conference teams to the conference tournament (and the majority don't) Many teams can play themselves 'in' to the tournament. Mid-majors who are in bubble/seed range usually see increases in their RPI rankings with the conference tournaments more often than not (obviously unless they take a big loss). Take the Mountain West tournament for example this year. That is extremely likely to be a net positive for the conference rather than a negative or anyone playing themselves out. In the B1G or PAC for example though, maybe the bubble teams could get hot and win it all. Extremely unlikely, yeah. But at least getting to the final would likely be enough to put those teams in, heck, in some cases, even just making the semifinals. It's not like the losses most teams would take in that tournament are going to be season ending. Why should a bubble team get another opportunity to make the tournament on essentially a fluke? They had the whole regular season to earn a bid. We want more quality matches than less. Especially with RPI. I’d rather a bubble team prove their worth than give at-larges to teams like James Madison, Yale, etc. who haven’t done anything all season. Also, non-conference is essentially limited to the 1st 4 weeks of the season for most at-large teams (P5 especially). It can help reward teams who have played better throughout the season and there are some remaining questions about their worthiness. |
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Post by aardvark on Nov 1, 2022 10:40:04 GMT -5
As far as the original post goes, the choice of top eight teams roughly matches my expectations. That continues up until your final listed #3 seed of Kentucky. I kind of doubt that both Florida and Kentucky will land #3 seedings, as they still have to play each other twice. Kentucky is lagging a bit in the RPI. They'd need to win twice to lift themselves into contention, but I think that would cause Florida to drop out. My other quibble with your seedings is that I don't think the state of Texas will get 4. One of Rice or Houston should slip down a peg to gain more regional hosting balance. Kentucky and Florida could also split. I don’t think either team getting swept will kill their hosting chances. As far as Rice/Houston, if they are top 16 teams in the criteria, the committee should do the ethical thing. Yes, if Kentucky, who is the RPI laggard of the two, loses twice to Florida, I agree they are still in the mix to host. But only as a #4 seed, not as a #3 seed. I just don't realistically see how both of those teams can end up with #3 seeds. Ahhh.... ethics. Personally, I would love for the committee to always do the ethical thing. In some cases, the ethics involved is not clear cut. Note that having four hostings in the same state is probably going to increase travel costs. If the evaluation between one of those four and an alternate non-Texas option is very close (a virtual certainty) then is making that switch to lower costs and get more areas of the country excited a questionable ethical choice? It's fuzzy ethics. This ethical quandary is even more exasperating when comparing USD and Stanford for that last #1 regional seed in the case that both win out. A Stanford hosting would offer a larger arena with more people coming. Sure, their resume this year would be lighter, but I think the committee would choose the tree anyway. It's not clear to me that such a call is bad ethics. And it pains me to say that. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 1, 2022 10:55:49 GMT -5
Kentucky and Florida could also split. I don’t think either team getting swept will kill their hosting chances. As far as Rice/Houston, if they are top 16 teams in the criteria, the committee should do the ethical thing. Yes, if Kentucky, who is the RPI laggard of the two, loses twice to Florida, I agree they are still in the mix to host. But only as a #4 seed, not as a #3 seed. I just don't realistically see how both of those teams can end up with #3 seeds. Ahhh.... ethics. Personally, I would love for the committee to always do the ethical thing. In some cases, the ethics involved is not clear cut. Note that having four hostings in the same state is probably going to increase travel costs. If the evaluation between one of those four and an alternate non-Texas option is very close (a virtual certainty) then is making that switch to lower costs and get more areas of the country excited a questionable ethical choice? It's fuzzy ethics. This ethical quandary is even more exasperating when comparing USD and Stanford for that last #1 regional seed in the case that both win out. A Stanford hosting would offer a larger arena with more people coming. Sure, their resume this year would be lighter, but I think the committee would choose the tree anyway. It's not clear to me that such a call is bad ethics. And it pains me to say that. The committee is not supposed to consider geography in determining top 4 or top 16 seeds. They have set criteria listed. To go away from that is unethical. Period. If we want to go back to pre-determined regionals, that’s fine with me. The NCAA used to take geography into account for the top 16 seeds. This is why unseeded teams would host and teams like Hawaii would be top 16 but forced to play on the road. |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 1, 2022 10:57:36 GMT -5
This ethical quandary is even more exasperating when comparing USD and Stanford for that last #1 regional seed in the case that both win out. A Stanford hosting would offer a larger arena with more people coming. Sure, their resume this year would be lighter, but I think the committee would choose the tree anyway. It's not clear to me that such a call is bad ethics. And it pains me to say that. if the NCAA wants to have arena capacity be a factor when it comes to hosting, all they have to do is set minimum capacity requirements for hosting the regionals and/or subregionals. And declare those requirements prior to the beginning of the season. If a team's facilities meet those requirements, then arena capacity should have no bearing on the seeding evaluation discussion. |
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Post by aardvark on Nov 1, 2022 11:13:23 GMT -5
Apparently, I was looking at old data. The last I saw, Kentucky's RPI was 16. But now I see that it is 10.
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Post by hgc159 on Nov 1, 2022 11:21:21 GMT -5
lowkey I aint gonna lie.... if Dotson can get going... and the LSU defense + block stays strong... it won't be an easy match for Texas to win Khat Bell will come down from the stands like an Old Testament prophet at 2-1 LSU to put the fear of God into the team and rally them to victory. Thus saith the Lord. Trivia Question: Can anybody name the Libero for UCSB when Khat Bell visited the TX huddle? |
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Post by katn on Nov 1, 2022 11:23:45 GMT -5
Khat Bell will come down from the stands like an Old Testament prophet at 2-1 LSU to put the fear of God into the team and rally them to victory. Thus saith the Lord. Trivia Question: Can anybody name the Libero for UCSB when Khat Bell visited the TX huddle? zfleck |
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 1, 2022 11:24:02 GMT -5
Why should a bubble team get another opportunity to make the tournament on essentially a fluke? They had the whole regular season to earn a bid. Well, conference tournaments are how men's and women's hoops decide their automatic qualifier. Same for soccer, softball, baseball, tennis, golf, etc. Volleyball not having conference tournaments is more the exception. Not a fan of the conference tournament in any sport when there is a regular season schedule that determines a champion. |
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Post by hgc159 on Nov 1, 2022 11:27:28 GMT -5
Trivia Question: Can anybody name the Libero for UCSB when Khat Bell visited the TX huddle? zfleck It would be interesting to get Zoe's take on it. |
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Post by slxpress on Nov 1, 2022 11:27:47 GMT -5
Khat Bell will come down from the stands like an Old Testament prophet at 2-1 LSU to put the fear of God into the team and rally them to victory. Thus saith the Lord. Trivia Question: Can anybody name the Libero for UCSB when Khat Bell visited the TX huddle? That’s not much of a trivia question for Texas fans. We recruited her hard after that season as a potential transfer but she chose family ties and the local school at UCLA instead (her Dad was a swimmer for the Bruins and she’d rooted for UCLA all her life). She’s said that playing in a sold out Pauley Pavilion against USC in front of family and friends is her greatest volleyball experience so far. Hard to compete with that kind emotional bond. Glad we got her for her Covid year. |
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 1, 2022 11:28:58 GMT -5
Why should a bubble team get another opportunity to make the tournament on essentially a fluke? They had the whole regular season to earn a bid. The Phillies are seriously shushing you right now. It is the never age-old discussion of whether you pick the team with the best body of work or the team that is playing the best right now. I don't believe this is a similar comparison. The Phillies made it into the MLB playoffs based on their regular season record. |
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