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Post by slxpress on Nov 1, 2022 11:36:51 GMT -5
It would be interesting to get Zoe's take on it. I doubt she gives it much consideration. Her main takeaway from that match was the electricity in Gregory Gym and how that rekindled her love for volleyball. She’s a really good PR agent for the Zoe Fleck brand, so it’s tough to parse blunt truth from messages designed for her audience, but she’s done really well for herself after not being recruited out of high school. Got to play for her dream school and now is apparently having a blast on this team in her Covid year. VT makes a big deal about it - I mean, it’s against the rules, it was extremely dramatic, and it seemed to work. That’s a pretty good story right there. But I doubt she gives it a whole lot of thought other than it was a good memory. She comes across as a half full kind of person. Maybe more of a 3/4s or 4/5ths full, to be honest. She’s got some Zen Buddhism, life is joy, joy is life kind of vibes going on. Doesn’t seem like she spends too much time dwelling on controversy. Just my take. |
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 1, 2022 11:37:48 GMT -5
This ethical quandary is even more exasperating when comparing USD and Stanford for that last #1 regional seed in the case that both win out. A Stanford hosting would offer a larger arena with more people coming. Sure, their resume this year would be lighter, but I think the committee would choose the tree anyway. It's not clear to me that such a call is bad ethics. And it pains me to say that. if the NCAA wants to have arena capacity be a factor when it comes to hosting, all they have to do is set minimum capacity requirements for hosting the regionals and/or subregionals. And declare those requirements prior to the beginning of the season. If a team's facilities meet those requirements, then arena capacity should have no bearing on the seeding evaluation discussion. I believe arena capacity is a requirement for hosting both the regionals and subregionals and has been for years. That requirement is known prior to the season. You can host in a different facility than the one where you play your regular season matches. IIRC this is what Louisville did last season because it's regular facility didn't meet the requirements. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Nov 1, 2022 11:40:52 GMT -5
The Phillies are seriously shushing you right now. It is the never age-old discussion of whether you pick the team with the best body of work or the team that is playing the best right now. I don't believe this is a similar comparison. The Phillies made it into the MLB playoffs based on their regular season record. They made it in because the playoffs were expanded to include teams that didn't make it. They then won a play-in series against another team who wasn't good enough to make it. |
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Post by hgc159 on Nov 1, 2022 11:48:15 GMT -5
It would be interesting to get Zoe's take on it. I doubt she gives it much consideration. Her main takeaway from that match was the electricity in Gregory Gym and how that rekindled her love for volleyball. She’s a really good PR agent for the Zoe Fleck brand, so it’s tough to parse blunt truth from messages designed for her audience, but she’s done really well for herself after not being recruited out of high school. Got to play for her dream school and now is apparently having a blast on this team in her Covid year. VT makes a big deal about it - I mean, it’s against the rules, it was extremely dramatic, and it seemed to work. That’s a pretty good story right there. But I doubt she gives it a whole lot of thought other than it was a good memory. She comes across as a half full kind of person. Maybe more of a 3/4s or 4/5ths full, to be honest. She’s got some Zen Buddhism, life is joy, joy is life kind of vibes going on. Doesn’t seem like she spends too much time dwelling on controversy. Just my take. I just thought it was interesting how things happen sometimes. |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 1, 2022 11:51:00 GMT -5
Not a fan of the conference tournament in any sport when there is a regular season schedule that determines a champion. so you're saying there shouldn't be a conference tournament in any of the team sports? |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 1, 2022 11:53:46 GMT -5
if the NCAA wants to have arena capacity be a factor when it comes to hosting, all they have to do is set minimum capacity requirements for hosting the regionals and/or subregionals. And declare those requirements prior to the beginning of the season. If a team's facilities meet those requirements, then arena capacity should have no bearing on the seeding evaluation discussion. I believe arena capacity is a requirement for hosting both the regionals and subregionals and has been for years. That requirement is known prior to the season. You can host in a different facility than the one where you play your regular season matches. IIRC this is what Louisville did last season because it's regular facility didn't meet the requirements. and San Diego's facilities meet the requirement for both subregionals and regionals |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 1, 2022 11:58:01 GMT -5
I don't believe this is a similar comparison. The Phillies made it into the MLB playoffs based on their regular season record. They made it in because the playoffs were expanded to include teams that didn't make it. They then won a play-in series against another team who wasn't good enough to make it. which is essentially what happens when someone knocks off the regular season conference champion in the conference tournament to get that conference's one and only ncaa tournament bid. (except in the MLB case, that first series is actually part of the playoffs, not a "play-in") |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 1, 2022 12:02:58 GMT -5
Madison Regional
(1) Wisconsin vs. Sacred Heart Georgia vs. (8) Utah (4) Baylor vs. Jacksonville State Yale vs. (5) Georgia Tech (3) Oregon vs. Portland State Colorado State vs. (6) Purdue (2) San Diego vs. Utah Valley Auburn vs. (7) Southern California There are soooooo many things I like about this bracket. In no particular order: - The chance to cheer for Wisconsin-to-Utah transfer Lauren Jardine in the Field House.
- The chance for a Wisconsin vs. Baylor rematch, or...
- The chance to play/see Georgia Tech in person.
- The chance to see San Diego in person.
- The chance to get Oregon into the Field House, cheer for Nunneviller, and maybe meet vbfamily in person.
To the Volleyball Gods: Please please please make this happen.  |
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Post by baytree on Nov 1, 2022 12:06:42 GMT -5
This ethical quandary is even more exasperating when comparing USD and Stanford for that last #1 regional seed in the case that both win out. A Stanford hosting would offer a larger arena with more people coming. Sure, their resume this year would be lighter, but I think the committee would choose the tree anyway. It's not clear to me that such a call is bad ethics. And it pains me to say that. if the NCAA wants to have arena capacity be a factor when it comes to hosting, all they have to do is set minimum capacity requirements for hosting the regionals and/or subregionals. And declare those requirements prior to the beginning of the season. If a team's facilities meet those requirements, then arena capacity should have no bearing on the seeding evaluation discussion. You can do both. E.g., you have to win half your matches to play in the tournament (i.e., a cutoff similar to the capacity requirement) but a higher win percentage is better. I think it's perfectly reasonable to consider arena capacity or geographic balance when determining the hosts. That said, I don't think either is a listed consideration and I don't think they should give much weight to anything other than the listed criteria. Teams should be able to predict how well they stack up based on published criteria, not nebulous factors like how committee members feel about various unlisted considerations. |
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Post by alhorford90 on Nov 1, 2022 12:16:19 GMT -5
nobody cares except randos on vtalk It would be interesting to get Zoe's take on it. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 1, 2022 12:33:41 GMT -5
Well, conference tournaments are how men's and women's hoops decide their automatic qualifier. Same for soccer, softball, baseball, tennis, golf, etc. Volleyball not having conference tournaments is more the exception. Not a fan of the conference tournament in any sport when there is a regular season schedule that determines a champion. Sure. I'm wondering how many conferences have even double round robins though with H&H. I'm not sure of the total number, but I'd bet less than half the conference do... Only one in the current Power 5 alignment does. |
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Post by boxcariii on Nov 1, 2022 12:35:59 GMT -5
I would like to get back to the discussion/overreaction to this bracket prediction 4 or 5 weeks away from the actual thing.
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Post by slxpress on Nov 1, 2022 12:37:58 GMT -5
I would like to get back to the discussion/overreaction to this bracket prediction 4 or 5 weeks away from the actual thing. I don't actually agree with this comment, but it made me laugh. I love all the activity on this thread. |
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Post by slxpress on Nov 1, 2022 12:39:03 GMT -5
Not a fan of the conference tournament in any sport when there is a regular season schedule that determines a champion. Sure. I'm wondering how many conferences have even double round robins though with H&H. I'm not sure of the total number, but I'd bet less than half the conference do... Only one in the current Power 5 alignment does. That's going away next year after they add BYU, UH, Cincinnati and UCF. |
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Post by B1GHuskerGuy on Nov 1, 2022 12:43:21 GMT -5
Sending Nebraska to the state of Kentucky with a chance to come back to the midwest for the final four ? Yea, I'm listening!
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