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Post by uofaGRAD on Mar 26, 2023 23:12:14 GMT -5
bc that’s just how volleyball is like everywhere else. If they are using international rules it should be the way literally everyone does it That's a bad reason in my opinion. They should do what's best for this league. I happen to think that forcing your star players to play 6 rotations IS what's best, so I'd rather see subs capped at 6 (or fewer?), but I couldn't care less about what everybody else does. FIVB makes dumb rules all the time. In that vein, I think liberos should serve. Makes for better volleyball for that half rotation. oh yes absolutely I am down for liberos serving in this league. that’s something I miss in pro/international
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 26, 2023 23:25:52 GMT -5
You're right, but Reynaud did the performance review and extension. Even worse. Enh. I guess. Okimura sure enough kicked off the sh!tshow. Doug Beal was a formidable force during his tenure, particularly on the actual volleyball side, because of his achievements, and the Board was somewhat constrained by this during his tenure (including some dysfunctional organizational things like on-going vacancies on the Board, etc). After Beal, the Board and its officers never capitalized on the opportunity created by that vacuum to do anything substantive to improve the operations. Okimura wasn't prone to self-promotion and never pretended to be a leader, so I guess I never had that expectation from her.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 26, 2023 23:42:47 GMT -5
Enh. I guess. Okimura sure enough kicked off the sh!tshow. Doug Beal was a formidable force during his tenure, particularly on the actual volleyball side, because of his achievements, and the Board was somewhat constrained by this during his tenure (including some dysfunctional organizational things like on-going vacancies on the Board, etc). After Beal, the Board and its officers never capitalized on the opportunity created by that vacuum to do anything substantive to improve the operations. Okimura wasn't prone to self-promotion and never pretended to be a leader, so I guess I never had that expectation from her. I have a significantly different perspective and opinion in respect to that transition period (and the events leading up to it), but I’m going to just leave it at that. A discussion for a different thread, perhaps.
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 26, 2023 23:55:45 GMT -5
Doug Beal was a formidable force during his tenure, particularly on the actual volleyball side, because of his achievements, and the Board was somewhat constrained by this during his tenure (including some dysfunctional organizational things like on-going vacancies on the Board, etc). After Beal, the Board and its officers never capitalized on the opportunity created by that vacuum to do anything substantive to improve the operations. Okimura wasn't prone to self-promotion and never pretended to be a leader, so I guess I never had that expectation from her. I have a significantly different perspective and opinion in respect to that transition period (and the events leading up to it), but I’m going to just leave it at that. A discussion for a different thread, perhaps. I would appreciate your perspective and opinion. I don't think a separate thread is necessary, maybe just a summary.
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Post by genisvel on Mar 27, 2023 4:26:34 GMT -5
As someone who follows hockey, I find this discussion somewhat amusing.
Every four years the NHL fights with the players' union about the players even going to play in the Olympics.
It sounds like the PVF is bending over backwards to allow their players to pursue not only International opportunities but domestic ones as well.
And, a few changes to the substitution rules seems minor compared to the fact that North American Hockey is played in smaller ice than the International game.
Then, again, many fans of the original Arena Football League, including myself, were very upset when NFL players and coaches started to buy in and changed the substitution rules so they could have specialized players rather than keep the Ironman rules that made the AFL even more unique than the outdoor game. So I see the other side, too.
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Post by genisvel on Apr 7, 2023 16:35:16 GMT -5
Dear, Lord!
We are now through the first week of April. We still only have four teams. Two of those teams still haven't had a press conference or the promised "fan celebration" of the new team. Atlanta, Columbus and Omaha have had zero forward movement. Only one team has a social media presence. Bare bones websites (Omaha doesn't even have a website).
Grand Rapids is the only franchise with social media accounts (albeit with hardly any activity), a venue, and a coach and/or head of operations.
According to the rules of the Name the Team Contest Grand Rapids held, the winners will be notified by the end of next week.
Pre-season is scheduled to be in 9 months.
My optimism isn't dying, but it definitely feels anemic.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Apr 7, 2023 17:01:42 GMT -5
We need a preview of the logos and uniforms, etc.
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Apr 7, 2023 17:35:51 GMT -5
Yeah I feel like we need more information about coaches, facilities, pre-season, drafts, etc.. A lot of pro seasons are going to be ending in a couple of weeks and athletes are going to be looking for places to go next season. I don't know if things are more organized behind the scenes, but PVF is gonna miss out on some potential talent that might want to stay home if they aren't organized. Or idk maybe they are banking on a bunch of college grads joining the league.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 7, 2023 17:37:38 GMT -5
Yeah I feel like we need more information about coaches, facilities, pre-season, drafts, etc.. A lot of pro seasons are going to be ending in a couple of weeks and athletes are going to be looking for places to go next season. I don't know if things are more organized behind the scenes, but PVF is gonna miss out on some potential talent that might want to stay home if they aren't organized. Or idk maybe they are banking on a bunch of college grads joining the league. they already are missing out on talent Better hope AU is recruiting well. Cause they’ll need those players lol
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Apr 7, 2023 18:10:01 GMT -5
Yeah I feel like we need more information about coaches, facilities, pre-season, drafts, etc.. A lot of pro seasons are going to be ending in a couple of weeks and athletes are going to be looking for places to go next season. I don't know if things are more organized behind the scenes, but PVF is gonna miss out on some potential talent that might want to stay home if they aren't organized. Or idk maybe they are banking on a bunch of college grads joining the league. they already are missing out on talent Better hope AU is recruiting well. Cause they’ll need those players lol sigh...its giving retirement league 2.0 for now
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Post by genisvel on Apr 7, 2023 19:03:40 GMT -5
...Or idk maybe they are banking on a bunch of college grads joining the league. After some of the interviews I've listened to, they don't seem to be too concerned about drawing talent away from Europe until their third year. They feel confident that players' desires to stay closer to families and the fact that they will allow a lot of freedom to play elsewhere during the of season will be enough to draw some talent and the college drafts will be good enough to get through the first couple of years before going hard with open contract negotiations in year three.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 7, 2023 19:36:47 GMT -5
...Or idk maybe they are banking on a bunch of college grads joining the league. After some of the interviews I've listened to, they don't seem to be too concerned about drawing talent away from Europe until their third year. They feel confident that players' desires to stay closer to families and the fact that they will allow a lot of freedom to play elsewhere during the of season will be enough to draw some talent and the college drafts will be good enough to get through the first couple of years before going hard with open contract negotiations in year three. that sounds naive... they need 112 players. Last year 300 were playing overseas... Given the level (or lack of) for some of those transfers... its even less than that. And a ton of them are signing right now (because its guaranteed vs PVF) You might get 20-30 NCAA players in the fall... maybe 30 players from AU... that's still a ton of players they have to find from somewhere...
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Post by madden55 on Apr 7, 2023 19:39:19 GMT -5
Sounds like this isn’t even happening lol
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Post by huskyvolley on Apr 7, 2023 20:21:38 GMT -5
After some of the interviews I've listened to, they don't seem to be too concerned about drawing talent away from Europe until their third year. They feel confident that players' desires to stay closer to families and the fact that they will allow a lot of freedom to play elsewhere during the of season will be enough to draw some talent and the college drafts will be good enough to get through the first couple of years before going hard with open contract negotiations in year three. that sounds naive... they need 112 players. Last year 300 were playing overseas... Given the level (or lack of) for some of those transfers... its even less than that. And a ton of them are signing right now (because its guaranteed vs PVF) You might get 20-30 NCAA players in the fall... maybe 30 players from AU... that's still a ton of players they have to find from somewhere... I think playing at home with livable salary would have much better draw than playing overseas for some of these players.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 7, 2023 20:23:57 GMT -5
that sounds naive... they need 112 players. Last year 300 were playing overseas... Given the level (or lack of) for some of those transfers... its even less than that. And a ton of them are signing right now (because its guaranteed vs PVF) You might get 20-30 NCAA players in the fall... maybe 30 players from AU... that's still a ton of players they have to find from somewhere... I think playing at home with livable salary would have much better draw than playing overseas for some of these players. in theory maybe... but some of them arent gonna to jeopardize their 23/24 gig/salary for something that already isnt living up to expectations...
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