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Post by ferncreekcat on Jan 2, 2023 21:39:53 GMT -5
Alyssa Manitzas, ‘23 libero commit, just rocked the UA All-American game, helping Team Speed to win. Thanks! I missed her commit; only had Logan Brannan in this year's recruiting class. |
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Post by ferncreekcat on Jan 2, 2023 21:53:15 GMT -5
Of course, now that I look closer, I see Olivia Maulding, a 6-2 2023 MB out of Oregon, committed to Notre Dame, but I don't see where she signed a LOI.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Jan 3, 2023 0:31:49 GMT -5
The cupboard was pretty bare when she started, so I'll give her two more years before making a hard judgment.
Also, ND is weird - global brand, great academics, money to burn. But, there's a flip side - not everyone wants to go to religious/Catholic school in a small city in northern Indiana - that's a pretty specific thing. It's not a slam dunk in terms of recruiting. Even more so because it has no huge VB history to lean on, like say Villanova in men's basketball.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 3, 2023 1:29:43 GMT -5
I always wondered what happened to Rockwell. Last I heard from him, he was sounding a little paranoid.
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Post by Norah Sus on Jan 3, 2023 9:48:26 GMT -5
I always wondered what happened to Rockwell. Last I heard from him, he was sounding a little paranoid. Always nice to find another Rockwell fan in the wild. Here’s my favorite Rockwell piece:  |
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Post by Wiswell on Jan 3, 2023 12:07:00 GMT -5
The cupboard was pretty bare when she started, so I'll give her two more years before making a hard judgment.
Also, ND is weird - global brand, great academics, money to burn. But, there's a flip side - not everyone wants to go to religious/Catholic school in a small city in northern Indiana - that's a pretty specific thing. It's not a slam dunk in terms of recruiting. Even more so because it has no huge VB history to lean on, like say Villanova in men's basketball.
It's Indiana. And not even a nice small city. The campus is amazing, but once you leave it's an industrial Midwestern city not particularly close to anything. |
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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 3, 2023 14:54:29 GMT -5
One thing to remember. The Catholic diocesan sports programs have always been very far reaching and very good. They start kids playing when they are 8 or 9 years old. Club teams have always drawn CYO trained players because they are the best trained players at the very young age. This also carries over to high school as well. There was a time that the state championships were won handily by Catholic high schools. Indeed, if you were to talk to high school people, they have been trying to dilute the Catholic school domination.
I have always been curious as to why the Catholic universities have not dominated as some of the best players came out of that pipeline. I still think that if ND can get the very best players from the Catholic high schools to go there, they would be very good.
I am not sure how ND is dealing with the NIL issue, especially the other schools are marketing themselves based on their new programs to help athletes in getting at the NIL money. Even though volleyball does not figure as a big player in the NIL market, I would imagine that if the ND football players are not getting the support from the school, what chance does the volleyball players have. In the greater scheme of things, it is a disadvantage in the recruiting wars.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 3, 2023 15:16:32 GMT -5
One thing to remember. The Catholic diocesan sports programs have always been very far reaching and very good. They start kids playing when they are 8 or 9 years old. Club teams have always drawn CYO trained players because they are the best trained players at the very young age. This also carries over to high school as well. There was a time that the state championships were won handily by Catholic high schools. Indeed, if you were to talk to high school people, they have been trying to dilute the Catholic school domination. I have always been curious as to why the Catholic universities have not dominated as some of the best players came out of that pipeline. I still think that if ND can get the very best players from the Catholic high schools to go there, they would be very good. I am not sure how ND is dealing with the NIL issue, especially the other schools are marketing themselves based on their new programs to help athletes in getting at the NIL money. Even though volleyball does not figure as a big player in the NIL market, I would imagine that if the ND football players are not getting the support from the school, what chance does the volleyball players have. In the greater scheme of things, it is a disadvantage in the recruiting wars. Notre Dame seems to be doing fine in recruiting for football. They were in the top 10 in 2022, they're currently in the top 10 for 2023, and their 2024 class is currently ranked No. 2 in the country, though it's still quite early as far as the 2024 class goes. I don't see NIL being a problem for them. |
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Post by ferncreekcat on Jan 3, 2023 19:43:17 GMT -5
For Notre Dame football, NIL is a problem with the very elite 5-star players... they lost key 5-star recruits to Alabama and Oklahoma for those reasons. For 4-Star recruits, they do just fine. Freeman put together the best back-to-back classes in '22 and '23 since Lou Holtz, mainly because of the large number of 4-star players.
I think Rockwell can similarly do well at ND with Top 80 players, but I'm not sure she can recruit Top 20 players there.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jan 3, 2023 19:44:31 GMT -5
Yes, undergraduate transfers are very difficult for Notre Dame in all sports, including football. On the other hand, Notre Dame is a very attractive destination for graduate transfers. I'll be interested in whether Rockwell can find a MB to help out Tarnoff in 2023... or maybe Winkler has a COVID year she can use... Tarnoff was an undergrad transfer as a sophomore, so it can be done. |
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Post by ferncreekcat on Jan 3, 2023 20:35:35 GMT -5
Yes, undergraduate transfers are very difficult for Notre Dame in all sports, including football. On the other hand, Notre Dame is a very attractive destination for graduate transfers. I'll be interested in whether Rockwell can find a MB to help out Tarnoff in 2023... or maybe Winkler has a COVID year she can use... Tarnoff was an undergrad transfer as a sophomore, so it can be done. It's interesting, because it sounds like ND volleyball snagged another undergrad transfer from High Point. Perhaps it's because the volleyball players work academics a little harder, and have a better GPA / more transferable credits than your typical Football player. Nonetheless, I'll take it. Coach Rockwell needs all the help she can get to re-build this roster. |
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Mar 21, 2023 7:13:34 GMT -5
Kind of shocked that ND has been very quiet as far as recruiting and transfers. One would think they would be very active...
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Post by vbruh on Mar 21, 2023 8:22:54 GMT -5
Saw Salima at MEQ but didn't see her watching any games. It's not hard to identify the teams, if not the player or players, these colleges are watching. If all 3 coaches sit down for an entire match (or multiple matches), then someone is on their board. I never saw Salima invest a lot of time on a court. Not saying it didn't happen, but I saw a LOT of rather focused coaches studying a lot of very good talent this weekend.
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Post by coahc21 on Mar 21, 2023 8:38:13 GMT -5
Of course, now that I look closer, I see Olivia Maulding, a 6-2 2023 MB out of Oregon, committed to Notre Dame, but I don't see where she signed a LOI. Lily Fenton, setter from PA also committed there -- not super physical, not sure if she makes an immediate impact -- going to get some great setter coaching |
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 21, 2023 10:05:38 GMT -5
The cupboard was pretty bare when she started, so I'll give her two more years before making a hard judgment.
Also, ND is weird - global brand, great academics, money to burn. But, there's a flip side - not everyone wants to go to religious/Catholic school in a small city in northern Indiana - that's a pretty specific thing. It's not a slam dunk in terms of recruiting. Even more so because it has no huge VB history to lean on, like say Villanova in men's basketball.
It's Indiana. And not even a nice small city. The campus is amazing, but once you leave it's an industrial Midwestern city not particularly close to anything. If South Bend isn't small to have a university, I do not know what is. |
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