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Post by Norah Sus on Mar 21, 2023 20:47:46 GMT -5
A couple D1 programs in South Dakota and the towns they are in are small even by this thread's standards.
University of South Dakota (Vermillion) - 12,000
South Dakota State (Brookings) - 24,000
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Post by tablealgebra on Mar 21, 2023 21:45:06 GMT -5
You're completely correct and I'm on board with you... except for this example. Evanston may be small within its borders but it's part of Chicagoland stretching uninterrupted from Wisconsin to Indiana. However at the time of the founding of Northwestern, I feel certain that it a standalone city that was just considered close to Chicago or maybe not that close when you were traveling typically by horseback or carriage. Evanston has an issue because it's hard to travel to for a lot of Chicagoland. But yes, even with that the population center it can draw from is pretty large. Other cities on that list also shouldn't be there because of where they can draw from. Iowa State, for example, draws from Des Moines which is much bigger than Ames (and yes, Drake is in Des Moines but Iowa State is a much bigger sports school). The population of the greater metro area is more important than the city itself. |
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Post by dodger on Mar 21, 2023 22:09:31 GMT -5
Salima is an awesome personality: but “getting great setter coaching”  🙏🏻ing and hoping she succeeds at ND but really dont think we will see anything like what happened at Louisville, SanDiego or Creighton: i want her too; but dont see that path for her Well, what happened at San Diego and Creighton? Petrie has been at San Diego for over TWO decades, and only ONCE has the program advanced past the sweet 16, which was, incidentally, this past year, which was covid super senior / transfer portal influenced. Booth at Creighton has also been there for two decades and Creighton plays in the Big East, which isn't as difficult to stand out in. You can count on one hand the number of times these programs have made it to the second week of the tournament. I'm not trying to suggest that either of these coaches are overrated or anything, but I have a hard time understanding why you think that Rockwell wouldn't or couldn't have similar success over 20 years, at a heavily resourced program like Notre Dame. 1) i don't think shel last more than 7 yrs. at most: not because she is replaced over poor performance, but her life and career choices. 2) Debbie Brown success would be excellent. A bit down last couple but the bulk of career ranked and winning 20+ every year. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 21, 2023 22:54:11 GMT -5
I am saying it because I consider a town of 100K small. It's the 335th biggest city in the US. Unless you have an objective measure, mine is as good as any. I have no idea why Oxford is the logical comparison or how that proves whatever point it is you're trying to make. Why must a city be large to have an university located in it? My point was that quite a few universities are located in towns that are smaller than South Bend. Even several where the student body is larger than the population of the town. Well. Since I said South Bend wasn't large and Notre Dame even smaller, you should know that I never said a town had to be large to have a university. It doesn't surprise me you're not following. Simply said S Bend wasn't a big city. How the F it came to this nonsense is beyond me. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 21, 2023 22:56:27 GMT -5
If South Bend isn't small to have a university, I do not know what is. Such a strange and uninformed statement. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you tossed it out there off the cuff without really thinking. Here are some other cities with equal or smaller populations that somehow, amazingly, have a university. - Iowa City, IA 74K
- State College, PA 40K
- Charlottesville, VA 45K
- Tuscaloosa, AL 100K
- West Lafayette, IN 44K
- Lawrence, KS 95K
- Morgantown, WV 29K
- Bloomington, IN 80K
- College Park, MD 35K
- Chapel Hill, NC 61K
It took about four minutes to find this information. I'm sure there are dozens, if not hundreds more examples. Additional examples: - Auburn, AL 78K
- Ames, IA 66K
- Boulder, CO 104K
- Storrs, CT 16K
- Clemson, SC 18K
- Champaign-Urbana, IL 89K
- Evanston, IL 77K
- East Lansing, MI 47K
- Fayetteville, AR 95K
- Stillwater, OK 48K
- Manhatten, KS 55K
- Starkville, MS 25K
- Pullman, WA 33K
These aren't small schools either. All these examples are locations of Power 5 schools except for Storrs, CT.
Once again...s bend is small. That statement doesn't preclude other college towns from being small, even smaller than s bend. Let me guess, you didn't pass a logic course at any point in your illustrious collegiate career. |
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Post by Norah Sus on Mar 21, 2023 23:57:10 GMT -5
Such a strange and uninformed statement. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you tossed it out there off the cuff without really thinking. Here are some other cities with equal or smaller populations that somehow, amazingly, have a university. - Iowa City, IA 74K
- State College, PA 40K
- Charlottesville, VA 45K
- Tuscaloosa, AL 100K
- West Lafayette, IN 44K
- Lawrence, KS 95K
- Morgantown, WV 29K
- Bloomington, IN 80K
- College Park, MD 35K
- Chapel Hill, NC 61K
It took about four minutes to find this information. I'm sure there are dozens, if not hundreds more examples. Additional examples: - Auburn, AL 78K
- Ames, IA 66K
- Boulder, CO 104K
- Storrs, CT 16K
- Clemson, SC 18K
- Champaign-Urbana, IL 89K
- Evanston, IL 77K
- East Lansing, MI 47K
- Fayetteville, AR 95K
- Stillwater, OK 48K
- Manhatten, KS 55K
- Starkville, MS 25K
- Pullman, WA 33K
These aren't small schools either. All these examples are locations of Power 5 schools except for Storrs, CT.
Once again...s bend is small. That statement doesn't preclude other college towns from being small, even smaller than s bend. Let me guess, you didn't pass a logic course at any point in your illustrious collegiate career. But your literal quote was not that it was small, but that it was small “to have a university” and that if it wasn’t, “you didn’t know what is.” People are simply giving you other examples, since you stated that you did not know any. Take your energy to Facebook to your local news station’s article comment sections, please. |
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Post by tomclen on Mar 22, 2023 5:16:24 GMT -5
9-1-1, what's your emergency?
Someone hijacked my thread.
What happened to your thread, sir?
Well, it was about the new coach at Notre Dame. And now it's about the size of college towns.
So, it's about Marcus Freeman?
No, no. Salima Rockwell.
Who?
The volleyball coach.
Sir, go to our website and file a report, that's not something we handle.
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Post by staticb on Mar 19, 2024 13:18:41 GMT -5
How long does Salima get to turn things around? I was watching the spring game with Hawaii and I was shocked at how bad they were. They have some big hitters who can wail a ball down when everything is perfect, but everything else was so bad.
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 19, 2024 13:33:03 GMT -5
However at the time of the founding of Northwestern, I feel certain that it a standalone city that was just considered close to Chicago or maybe not that close when you were traveling typically by horseback or carriage. Evanston has an issue because it's hard to travel to for a lot of Chicagoland. But yes, even with that the population center it can draw from is pretty large. Other cities on that list also shouldn't be there because of where they can draw from. Iowa State, for example, draws from Des Moines which is much bigger than Ames (and yes, Drake is in Des Moines but Iowa State is a much bigger sports school). The population of the greater metro area is more important than the city itself. Evanston is literally 15 minutes from downtown on the metra and accessible to the entire city within 60 minutes. It's ridiculous to say Des Moines and Ames are any closer or more easily accessible than is Evanston and Chicagoland. |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Mar 19, 2024 14:42:44 GMT -5
At the Hawai'i spring matches this past week, Norte Dame came in with some weapons already. Sydney Palazzolo had 11k, hits with some heat. Phyona Schrader had 5k.
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Post by tablealgebra on Mar 19, 2024 15:24:32 GMT -5
Evanston has an issue because it's hard to travel to for a lot of Chicagoland. But yes, even with that the population center it can draw from is pretty large. Other cities on that list also shouldn't be there because of where they can draw from. Iowa State, for example, draws from Des Moines which is much bigger than Ames (and yes, Drake is in Des Moines but Iowa State is a much bigger sports school). The population of the greater metro area is more important than the city itself. Evanston is literally 15 minutes from downtown on the metra and accessible to the entire city within 60 minutes. It's ridiculous to say Des Moines and Ames are any closer or more easily accessible than is Evanston and Chicagoland. Number 1: Chicago is a pro sports town, and Northwestern is not the only game in town and is also very much not the type of school a lot of Chicagoans are looking to root for (for example, the large Catholic population is much more apt to root for one of the local Catholic schools or even Notre Dame). Northwestern as a school is much more attractive to suburban sorts, but the traffic peculiarities make it difficult to get to in the evening if you're not on the North Shore. Number 2: The Iowa State comparison was a completely separate example and not meant to compare to Northwestern. But since we're here - you also start to get into alumni games at that point - as was pointed out by ... someone, somewhere ... Northwestern has a considerable fanbase but they tend to not stay local after graduation thus their attendance at home games is less than other B1G schools. Whereas a much larger proportion of Iowa State alums stay in Iowa, and half of Iowa is closer to Iowa State on a Wednesday night traffic-wise than the south Chicago suburbs are to Northwestern. |
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Post by hookem1 on Mar 19, 2024 15:45:47 GMT -5
How long does Salima get to turn things around? I was watching the spring game with Hawaii and I was shocked at how bad they were. They have some big hitters who can wail a ball down when everything is perfect, but everything else was so bad. Her first recruits come this fall and from what I remember it’s a high ranked recruiting class. So I guess we’ll see starting then since none of her actual recruits are even on the team yet. The 24 and 25 classes are both littered with talented for sure. 2024 (13th ranked class on PD fwiw) Anna Bjork MB (Milwaukee Sting) USAV NTDP Mallory Bohl MB (Legacy) USAV NTDP Morgan Gaerte OH (Team Pineapple) USAV NTDP Mia Radeff OH/RS (Encore) Grace Langer MB (Momentum Colorado) Kailyn Greene-Gordon RS (Jersey Juniors) 2025 Maya Baker S (Vision) USAV NTDP Maya Evens L (Wave) Chichi Nnaji RS (Dallas Skyline) USAV NTDP Sophia Thornburg OH (Dallas Skyline) USAV NTDP The girls with NTDP experience are three very sought after recruits in each of the two classes so far. However, Notre Dame has underperformed in the past so we will see how things develop in the future. Sometimes becoming more talented helps but it’s not going to drastically change the program alone. I figured it would be a slow build. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 19, 2024 16:07:57 GMT -5
Evanston is literally 15 minutes from downtown on the metra and accessible to the entire city within 60 minutes. It's ridiculous to say Des Moines and Ames are any closer or more easily accessible than is Evanston and Chicagoland. Number 1: Chicago is a pro sports town, and Northwestern is not the only game in town and is also very much not the type of school a lot of Chicagoans are looking to root for (for example, the large Catholic population is much more apt to root for one of the local Catholic schools or even Notre Dame). Northwestern as a school is much more attractive to suburban sorts, but the traffic peculiarities make it difficult to get to in the evening if you're not on the North Shore. Number 2: The Iowa State comparison was a completely separate example and not meant to compare to Northwestern. But since we're here - you also start to get into alumni games at that point - as was pointed out by ... someone, somewhere ... Northwestern has a considerable fanbase but they tend to not stay local after graduation thus their attendance at home games is less than other B1G schools. Whereas a much larger proportion of Iowa State alums stay in Iowa, and half of Iowa is closer to Iowa State on a Wednesday night traffic-wise than the south Chicago suburbs are to Northwestern. Okay. I was responding to a post that was factually not true. I don't disagree with your this retort, but none of that was therein. Did you happen to put a footnote somewhere I missed? Forgetting to include detail in old age? |
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Post by tablealgebra on Mar 19, 2024 20:45:43 GMT -5
Number 1: Chicago is a pro sports town, and Northwestern is not the only game in town and is also very much not the type of school a lot of Chicagoans are looking to root for (for example, the large Catholic population is much more apt to root for one of the local Catholic schools or even Notre Dame). Northwestern as a school is much more attractive to suburban sorts, but the traffic peculiarities make it difficult to get to in the evening if you're not on the North Shore. Number 2: The Iowa State comparison was a completely separate example and not meant to compare to Northwestern. But since we're here - you also start to get into alumni games at that point - as was pointed out by ... someone, somewhere ... Northwestern has a considerable fanbase but they tend to not stay local after graduation thus their attendance at home games is less than other B1G schools. Whereas a much larger proportion of Iowa State alums stay in Iowa, and half of Iowa is closer to Iowa State on a Wednesday night traffic-wise than the south Chicago suburbs are to Northwestern. Okay. I was responding to a post that was factually not true. I don't disagree with your this retort, but none of that was therein. Did you happen to put a footnote somewhere I missed? Forgetting to include detail in old age? I feel like two separate paragraphs dealing with two different (and not directly compared) examples was sufficient. Perhaps I could have put a transition statement demonstrating that the two completely unrelated paragraphs were in fact unrelated, but I don't feel that what I typed was that misleading. But I'm a STEM guy, so maybe my incomplete understanding of the nuances of the English language are at fault here. Also, screw old age. But I don't think I'm quite to that point ... yet! |
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Post by devilhorns24 on Mar 19, 2024 23:39:13 GMT -5
Her first recruits come this fall and from what I remember it’s a high ranked recruiting class. So I guess we’ll see starting then since none of her actual recruits are even on the team yet. The 24 and 25 classes are both littered with talented for sure. 2024 (13th ranked class on PD fwiw) Anna Bjork MB (Milwaukee Sting) USAV NTDP Mallory Bohl MB (Legacy) USAV NTDP Morgan Gaerte OH (Team Pineapple) USAV NTDP Mia Radeff OH/RS (Encore) Grace Langer MB (Momentum Colorado) Kailyn Greene-Gordon RS (Jersey Juniors) 2025 Maya Baker S (Vision) USAV NTDP Maya Evens L (Wave) Chichi Nnaji RS (Dallas Skyline) USAV NTDP Sophia Thornburg OH (Dallas Skyline) USAV NTDP The girls with NTDP experience are three very sought after recruits in each of the two classes so far. However, Notre Dame has underperformed in the past so we will see how things develop in the future. Sometimes becoming more talented helps but it’s not going to drastically change the program alone. I figured it would be a slow build. Bjork and Bohl could be huge. I thought ND had one of the weaker MB duos in the ACC, so that looks promising for their future. What would really help them take that next step is consistent production at the pins from someone not named Palazzolo. Trump has had her moments but hasn't been consistent thus far so maybe Gaerte could be the answer. |
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🙏🏻ing and hoping she succeeds at ND but really dont think we will see anything like what happened at Louisville, SanDiego or Creighton: i want her too; but dont see that path for her 
