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Post by GoGophs on Nov 26, 2022 9:27:23 GMT -5
They didn't stop the game long enough to do proper concussion tests. Which should have happened right after the head shot. Not after an extended period of time. And how long would proper concussion tests take in your view? At the very least they should’ve pulled her for a few points to run simple tests immediately. Wenaas was nailed in the nose last night and was pulled for a few rotations to make sure everything was okay. As a coach it’s in your best interest to protect the health of your players. I’m shocked to hear that she was throwing up after being hit in the head, that is a tell tale sign of a concussion. Even it was the flu it’s still concerning for her health (same with any other player). Of course she’ll tell everyone she’s fine, she wants to play and is dedicated to her team. I don’t blame her but sometimes players need to be protected from themselves as well. I sincerely hope she’s okay, because that head shot did not look good. We should all be in favor of better concussion protocol in volleyball. Several incidents like this have happened this year with a concerning lack of response. |
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Post by viqueen10s on Nov 26, 2022 9:28:22 GMT -5
And how long would proper concussion tests take in your view? I'm not an expert on the subject but what was done was a lacking compared to what one sees in an NFL game. You bring up a valid concern. I wonder where the rights and responsibilities fall between player/coach/trainer/referee etc? I say that because even in the Nebraska/Northwestern match, with Nordemeer obviously very injured, the point continued until Bekka Allick stopped the ball. I feel like it went back and forth twice prior….with less visually obvious injuries such as a concussion, I am not sure how one makes absolutely sure these aren’t going untreated or at least tested? Of course the player needs to be forthcoming, but I hope beyond hope that trainers know players well enough to say stop, we need to check. I don’t follow other teams closely enough to know, but I do feel like Jolene, Nebraska’s trainer, has spent enough time with Hames to know her well enough? But never too safe when it comes to head injuries that’s no question!! |
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Post by jwvolley on Nov 26, 2022 9:31:51 GMT -5
And how long would proper concussion tests take in your view? At the very least they should’ve pulled her for a few points to run simple tests immediately. Wenaas was nailed in the nose last night and was pulled for a few rotations to make sure everything was okay. As a coach it’s in your best interest to protect the health of your players. I’m shocked to hear that she was throwing up after being hit in the head, that is a tell tale sign of a concussion. Even it was the flu it’s still concerning for her health (same with any other player). Of course she’ll tell everyone she’s fine, she wants to play and is dedicated to her team. I don’t blame her but sometimes players need to be protected from themselves as well. I sincerely hope she’s okay, because that head shot did not look good. We should all be in favor of better concussion protocol in volleyball. Several incidents like this have happened this year with a concerning lack of response. I just thought it was interesting that the particular poster complaining didn't say anything when Smrek's face received an early Christmas gift from Kash Williams the other night (didn't get pulled nor did they stop the match for NFL-esque concussion protocol). I certainly don't want anyone getting seriously hurt. |
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Post by ted_heise on Nov 26, 2022 9:32:46 GMT -5
I would root for Texas over Wisconsin in a hypothetical tournament meeting. Hold me to it. I would rather have my penis lasered off. Okay, not gonna lie: I laughed my ass off. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 26, 2022 9:35:55 GMT -5
Was the hit to the head handled how it should’ve been? Probably not. But if any of y’all were really serious athletes (even at a club level), it’s damn near impossible to voluntarily come off the court in a match/game like that when you believe you can still play and contribute to the team. I’m sure today or after the game yesterday, some tests were ran and we will see how comfortable the trainers are with letting her take the court. I know it should always be more safe than sorry, but you have to imagine Hames would be PISSED if she was pulled off the court and didn’t even end up having a concussion. Wishing for the best for her though!
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 26, 2022 9:38:01 GMT -5
At the very minimum, there ought to a required quick screening with a medical professional before allowing play to be resumed, or alternatively, a specific rule that allows some sort of special substitution/exception to allow a proper evaluation. We know relying on the player and/or coach to make the judgment is inadequate.
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Post by txvbcoach on Nov 26, 2022 9:53:15 GMT -5
I don't think many of you have had any training on concussions. I also think many of you are being naive about how the power structure works on a vball team bench. The head coach is in total control of the situation. A trainer could look at a player several times and "think" she may have a concussion but knows the team needs the player in the game. Add in the fact that you have a very powerful coach and you're doomed to bring it up. Concussions are not like a broken bone or a gash. I encourage every one of you to watch a training video or two on concussions and take off the rose colored glasses. Your brain is basically jello inside a skull. The force of that ball last night was probably worse than a head on collision. The facts of her play immediately afterward (She seemed to set ok and move ok) would not equate to her not having a concussion. Adrenaline alone can make people lift cars who otherwise would never be able to do that.
I like both teams so I have no agenda here. I'm not a trainer and have done no baseline testing on anyone involved. I just know what I saw and that the effect that had on her brain. I wish her the best but hope NCAA gets a more stringent in-game concussion protocol to protect the players from themselves and their competitive environment. Concussions can alter your entire life.
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Post by harryspotter on Nov 26, 2022 9:53:22 GMT -5
Is it normal to have a medical professional affiliated to the team on stand by to perform tests?
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Post by GoGophs on Nov 26, 2022 10:00:55 GMT -5
At the very least they should’ve pulled her for a few points to run simple tests immediately. Wenaas was nailed in the nose last night and was pulled for a few rotations to make sure everything was okay. As a coach it’s in your best interest to protect the health of your players. I’m shocked to hear that she was throwing up after being hit in the head, that is a tell tale sign of a concussion. Even it was the flu it’s still concerning for her health (same with any other player). Of course she’ll tell everyone she’s fine, she wants to play and is dedicated to her team. I don’t blame her but sometimes players need to be protected from themselves as well. I sincerely hope she’s okay, because that head shot did not look good. We should all be in favor of better concussion protocol in volleyball. Several incidents like this have happened this year with a concerning lack of response. I just thought it was interesting that the particular poster complaining didn't say anything when Smrek's face received an early Christmas gift from Kash Williams the other night (didn't get pulled nor did they stop the match for NFL-esque concussion protocol). I certainly don't want anyone getting seriously hurt. Right. And I’m not coming after you, just concerned about the health of players. Smrek should’ve been taken out in that case as well and checked along with a few other players this year under similar circumstances. Any player who’s hit in the head with a high speed ball should be checked. Yes, it’s a hazard of the sport (I played libero in my day with plenty of battle wounds to show for it) but these women are hitting the ball harder and faster every year. It seems to be like this in all women’s sports so I don’t know if the thinking is that women don’t hit the ball that hard or that women don’t get concussions or what… but I really hope the NCAA or AVCA or whoever else with the power to make changes looks at concussion protocol for next year. |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 26, 2022 10:43:00 GMT -5
I feel like the NE and WI fans have been mostly classy on this thread but the fans of other teams have been trashy. So knock it off! Y’all give yourselves too much credit. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Nov 26, 2022 16:09:34 GMT -5
At the very least they should’ve pulled her for a few points to run simple tests immediately. Wenaas was nailed in the nose last night and was pulled for a few rotations to make sure everything was okay. As a coach it’s in your best interest to protect the health of your players. I’m shocked to hear that she was throwing up after being hit in the head, that is a tell tale sign of a concussion. Even it was the flu it’s still concerning for her health (same with any other player). Of course she’ll tell everyone she’s fine, she wants to play and is dedicated to her team. I don’t blame her but sometimes players need to be protected from themselves as well. I sincerely hope she’s okay, because that head shot did not look good. We should all be in favor of better concussion protocol in volleyball. Several incidents like this have happened this year with a concerning lack of response. I just thought it was interesting that the particular poster complaining didn't say anything when Smrek's face received an early Christmas gift from Kash Williams the other night (didn't get pulled nor did they stop the match for NFL-esque concussion protocol). I certainly don't want anyone getting seriously hurt. I was more worried about that one than the Hames hit at the time - but Hames did seem a bit off in later sets and then the vomiting story is my concern. I don't know enough to criticize any protocol on either play. To be fair, Smrek has a strong arm too - maybe not at Kash's level but still nothing I would want to take in the face. I wonder if there is some lightweight headgear which would help only against these specific impact plays without hampering the player. I know some soccer players wear those thick headbands which I think are supposed to help against concussions(?) |
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Post by n00b on Nov 26, 2022 16:28:29 GMT -5
I just thought it was interesting that the particular poster complaining didn't say anything when Smrek's face received an early Christmas gift from Kash Williams the other night (didn't get pulled nor did they stop the match for NFL-esque concussion protocol). I certainly don't want anyone getting seriously hurt. I was more worried about that one than the Hames hit at the time - but Hames did seem a bit off in later sets and then the vomiting story is my concern. I don't know enough to criticize any protocol on either play. To be fair, Smrek has a strong arm too - maybe not at Kash's level but still nothing I would want to take in the face. I wonder if there is some lightweight headgear which would help only against these specific impact plays without hampering the player. I know some soccer players wear those thick headbands which I think are supposed to help against concussions(?) There is no evidence that those headbands help. In fact, USAV considered outlawing them a few years ago when they starting becoming a thing because their stance was "if you aren't cleared to play WITHOUT the headband, you shouldn't be playing because they don't do anything." Ultimately, I think they allowed them but put out that disclaimer. |
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Post by n00b on Nov 26, 2022 16:29:13 GMT -5
But never too safe when it comes to head injuries that’s no question!! Definitely! Let's outlaw the overhand attack. Never too safe! |
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