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Post by katn on Nov 28, 2022 11:33:58 GMT -5
I think the committee planned on Marquette being the #13 seed and Rice being the #16 seed. Creighton beat Marquette, they moved Creighton up to #13 at the last minute and dropped Marquette down to 16, kicked Rice out. are you paying homage to janell (in your pic) since texas state did not make the tourney...she's such a badass a legend @ texas state...texas state battled texas many times in her career...also thanks for all your hard work on the brackets |
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Post by aardvark on Nov 28, 2022 11:37:01 GMT -5
FSU is only 5 places higher than their final RPI rank. I would not call that really high. OTOH, you have a good point with Miami and Iowa State. Note, however, that both face off against top end unseeded teams in the first round. Kansas (Miami's opponent) is a complete and total mess right now. Eh. TBH, I find it hard these days to get too riled up about teams this far down the totem pole. The truth is none of these teams will make the final 8, so why should we greatly care? |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 28, 2022 13:21:04 GMT -5
I don't think anyone would have batted an eye at the placement of Iowa State, Florida State, Miami in previous years. (the bracket was full of such variations amongst teams in the 17-48 range).
But they slap regional seed numbers on the 17-32 range teams and people get their knickers in a twist
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Post by clob on Nov 28, 2022 21:20:29 GMT -5
I don't want to be that guy but well, I will.
The seeding process needs to be transparent. Womens volleyball is the fastest growing sport in the US and it needs to adhere to some standards like Mens BB. There need to be people involved who actually care about the sport.
Most indications are that the committee made their brackets last weekend. And then just wiggled them around if they saw fit. And ignored subsequent results.
I understand that most of the committee have important jobs (outside of being on the committee) which require constant attention. That said, next year, I hope they find people who pay more attention.
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 28, 2022 21:28:40 GMT -5
I think Ball St. was simply a mistake. There really isn't any logical way to explain it, so we shouldn't be looking for a logical reason. I think getting one wrong per year is about right.
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Post by raian13 on Nov 28, 2022 21:33:32 GMT -5
I think Ball St. was simply a mistake. There really isn't any logical way to explain it, so we shouldn't be looking for a logical reason. I think getting one wrong per year is about right. at the expense of a very deserving one? there’s no free pass here. |
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Post by raian13 on Nov 28, 2022 21:34:54 GMT -5
The only connection I could think of why Ball State got in was because their men’s team got to the Final Four last season.
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 28, 2022 21:38:57 GMT -5
I think Ball St. was simply a mistake. There really isn't any logical way to explain it, so we shouldn't be looking for a logical reason. I think getting one wrong per year is about right. at the expense of a very deserving one? there’s no free pass here. perfection is a worthy goal, but very rarely a realized result. The pass is not free, but it is inevitable, and... resistance is futile. |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 28, 2022 21:45:40 GMT -5
I think Ball St. was simply a mistake. There really isn't any logical way to explain it, so we shouldn't be looking for a logical reason. I think getting one wrong per year is about right. at the expense of a very deserving one? there’s no free pass here. no one on the bubble is "very deserving". If they were "very deserving", they wouldn't be on the bubble. |
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Post by staticb on Nov 28, 2022 21:46:52 GMT -5
The only connection I could think of why Ball State got in was because their men’s team got to the Final Four last season. The connection was that they had a representative on the committee. |
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Post by clob on Nov 28, 2022 23:28:26 GMT -5
What are the rules we've learned in the twenty-four hours?
1) Scheduling a soft non-conference schedule doesn't hurt. In fact, it may help.
2) The Committee will not take into account anything during the last week of play. They made their brackets last weekend and are done.
Anything else?
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 29, 2022 0:16:47 GMT -5
What are the rules we've learned in the twenty-four hours? 1) Scheduling a soft non-conference schedule doesn't hurt. In fact, it may help. 2) The Committee will not take into account anything during the last week of play. They made their brackets last weekend and are done. Anything else? 3) no matter how the bracket turns out, people will be OUTRAGED (kidding, I didn't learn that in the past 24 hours, I've known that for years) |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 29, 2022 1:02:31 GMT -5
Everytime this happens, we go down the "well, they were on the bubble anyways, shouldn't have made it that close". "someone was gonna get in and someone was gonna get left out".
Those are excuses for a poor committee. There are times when there are reasonable differences in opinion (such as Nebraska vs. Minnesota at 7/8). UCLA vs. Colorado State vs. Tennessee could have been picked by 100 different committees and they a third of each picks a different one. But include Ball State in there, and they probably get picked 5 times. Those 5 times, there's probably a MAC member on the Regional Advisory Committee, and a MAC member on the Selection committee.
one thing that upsets me personally is the enabling of not scheduling anyone out of conference and not penalizing it. It's the fact that this has been used as an explanation for so many years and teams have been told they need to schedule tougher. I don't agree with rewarding people for ONLY scheduling tougher, like, they still have to win.
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Post by trojansc on Nov 29, 2022 1:06:17 GMT -5
I think the committee planned on Marquette being the #13 seed and Rice being the #16 seed. Creighton beat Marquette, they moved Creighton up to #13 at the last minute and dropped Marquette down to 16, kicked Rice out. are you paying homage to janell (in your pic) since texas state did not make the tourney...she's such a badass a legend @ texas state...texas state battled texas many times in her career...also thanks for all your hard work on the brackets yes. she deserves the recognition. I will keep her as my avatar throughout the tournament in protest. Her team was down 12-14 in the 5th set of the Sun Belt Semifinals facing match point vs. South Alabama (who ended TX St season last year). She came up with 4 straight kills to win 16-14. It was awesome. |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 29, 2022 1:13:08 GMT -5
are you paying homage to janell (in your pic) since texas state did not make the tourney...she's such a badass a legend @ texas state...texas state battled texas many times in her career...also thanks for all your hard work on the brackets yes. she deserves the recognition. I will keep her as my avatar throughout the tournament in protest. Her team was down 12-14 in the 5th set of the Sun Belt Semifinals facing match point vs. South Alabama (who ended TX St season last year). She came up with 4 straight kills to win 16-14. It was awesome. I saw the Texas State setter in person early in the season, and she was one of my favorite tempo setters of all this year. |
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