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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 4:26:01 GMT -5
Trying to figure out what the committee thinks when Tennessee comes up for discussion. Granted the Tennessee committee member cannot be in the room when they talked about. I have no doubt that the committee will know that the best MB was out from August-October. She came back start of November helping Tennessee go 7-2 with a bad loss to Bama It's interesting. If I was on the committee, if we go down the injury route, we better talk about Luper and every other team's possibly injury status. Including Northwestern. I know they all aren't created equal, but it just opens up a can of worms. Especially because the committee says "we watch so much volleyball". How much did they watch Texas State? Are they aware of any injury issues there? I guess you could argue this is where Regional Advisory Committee's come into play... which then it depends on how much they know. A rebuttal I would have is - what do we do with Auburn? Auburn won the H2H. If we put in Tennessee - how can we leave out Auburn? They wouldn't have gotten a chance against this healthy team to even have a fair chance. In situations where it comes down to fine margins, I'd hope the committee weighs injuries more. Here, it'd be great to see Tennessee over Auburn |
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Post by boxcariii on Nov 27, 2022 4:31:47 GMT -5
Austin Regional
(1) Texas vs. Fairleigh Dickinson* Hawaii* vs. (8) Miami-FL* (4) Creighton vs. Northern Iowa South Dakota vs. (5) UCF* (3) Nebraska vs. Wright State* Georgia* vs. (6) Southern California* (2) Ohio State vs. High Point James Madison vs. (7) Florida State* Ugh yuck not this This appeals to me as a Creighton fan. 1) I like the 1st weekend match ups for Creighton. 2) I like that both UNL (actual acronym for Nebraska) and CU are in the Austin regional, but not matched up on the sweet 16. Reminds me of San Antonio when Miles got ejected. I don't like that Texas would boat race Creighton should this happen though. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 27, 2022 4:31:49 GMT -5
It's interesting. If I was on the committee, if we go down the injury route, we better talk about Luper and every other team's possibly injury status. Including Northwestern. I know they all aren't created equal, but it just opens up a can of worms. Especially because the committee says "we watch so much volleyball". How much did they watch Texas State? Are they aware of any injury issues there? I guess you could argue this is where Regional Advisory Committee's come into play... which then it depends on how much they know. A rebuttal I would have is - what do we do with Auburn? Auburn won the H2H. If we put in Tennessee - how can we leave out Auburn? They wouldn't have gotten a chance against this healthy team to even have a fair chance. In situations where it comes down to fine margins, I'd hope the committee weighs injuries more. Here, it'd be great to see Tennessee over Auburn I just dunno if that's fair to Auburn. Auburn won the H2H, ended up with a better RPI, and matches Tennessee's best win. At least in the NW case - you can point to - hey - we beat Minnesota. Tennessee can't do that. And for Auburn, what are they supposed to go - not get credit for the win because Tennessee wasn't healthy and never get an opportunity to prove that they could win and give Tennessee the benefit of the doubt? But at the same time, I don't care if both are left out after their non-conference performances, so, meh! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 4:40:02 GMT -5
In situations where it comes down to fine margins, I'd hope the committee weighs injuries more. Here, it'd be great to see Tennessee over Auburn I just dunno if that's fair to Auburn. Auburn won the H2H, ended up with a better RPI, and matches Tennessee's best win. At least in the NW case - you can point to - hey - we beat Minnesota. Tennessee can't do that. And for Auburn, what are they supposed to go - not get credit for the win because Tennessee wasn't healthy and never get an opportunity to prove that they could win and give Tennessee the benefit of the doubt? But at the same time, I don't care if both are left out after their non-conference performances, so, meh! Fair enough - weighing untapped potential would be difficult and can induce plenty of bias. Does the committee award bonus points for going on a 18-0 run to close out a set vs a 4 seed?  |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 27, 2022 4:42:55 GMT -5
As we're following along tomorrow, here are some 'giveaways' as we go along:
If San Diego's subregional is unveiled and USC or UCLA is not in it, UCLA is out.
If UNLV is seeded high - that may mean Colorado State gets in.
If JMU is seeded, have to definitely think Texas State is in.
Texas State has to end up in one of the Texas subregionals, but, there are 3, so, it's not like this will probably be known early in the broadcast.
If Tennessee is in, have to think Auburn gets in too (but not necessarily!)
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Post by vballfannbama on Nov 27, 2022 4:43:57 GMT -5
Trying to figure out what the committee thinks when Tennessee comes up for discussion. Granted the Tennessee committee member cannot be in the room when they talked about. I have no doubt that the committee will know that the best MB was out from August-October. She came back start of November helping Tennessee go 7-2 with a bad loss to Bama It's interesting. If I was on the committee, if we go down the injury route, we better talk about Luper and every other team's possibly injury status. Including Northwestern. I know they all aren't created equal, but it just opens up a can of worms. Especially because the committee says "we watch so much volleyball". How much did they watch Texas State? Are they aware of any injury issues there? I guess you could argue this is where Regional Advisory Committee's come into play... which then it depends on how much they know. A rebuttal I would have is - what do we do with Auburn? Auburn won the H2H. If we put in Tennessee - how can we leave out Auburn? They wouldn't have gotten a chance against this healthy team to even have a fair chance. I think the committee would bring up scheduling when comparing Auburn |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 27, 2022 4:47:53 GMT -5
In the end, a team is its record. We don't award a special "would have won if not for injury" championship trophy. Injuries may be an explanation for why a team lost certain matches, but that doesn't change the fact that they did lose those matches.
Anyway, while I have long complained about the unfair advantages the committee can dole out to teams via the seeding, in the end, there can be only one. Injuries or not, seeding or not, home court or not, it's still win or go home.
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Post by trojansc on Nov 27, 2022 4:50:33 GMT -5
I think the committee would bring up scheduling when comparing Auburn What do you mean scheduling? Like non-conference? Because if that's the case.. Tennessee shouldn't get rewarded for losing to Pittsburgh, Ohio State, WKU, Purdue, Bowling Green, and Colgate. Tennessee scheduled 6 better teams than Auburn's toughest in the non-conference, but Auburn's best non-conference win is still better than Tennessee's, which is a LOL. |
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 27, 2022 5:36:42 GMT -5
Fair enough - weighing untapped potential would be difficult and can induce plenty of bias. Does the committee award bonus points for going on a 18-0 run to close out a set vs a 4 seed? 18-0 run??? Wow, I didn't know that. That's crazy. Of the hundreds of college vb matches I have watched over the decades, I don't ever recall an 18-0 run, to end the set or not. Wow. Of course, my memory is anything but a steel trap. --more like a stainless steel strainer. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 5:42:10 GMT -5
Fair enough - weighing untapped potential would be difficult and can induce plenty of bias. Does the committee award bonus points for going on a 18-0 run to close out a set vs a 4 seed? 18-0 run??? Wow, I didn't know that. That's crazy. Of the hundreds of college vb matches I have watched over the decades, I don't ever recall an 18-0 run, to end the set or not. Wow. Of course, my memory is anything but a steel trap. --more like a stainless steel strainer. Haha yup, 18-0 run this Wednesday vs Penn State to close out set 2. Combine that with our win away at Minnesota, Northwestern has one of the more interesting storylines in the nation |
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Post by slxpress on Nov 27, 2022 5:55:55 GMT -5
Please avoid quoting entire original post. OK, I will. Such a smartass. |
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Post by slxpress on Nov 27, 2022 6:02:36 GMT -5
Austin Regional
(1) Texas vs. Fairleigh Dickinson* Hawaii* vs. (8) Miami-FL* (4) Creighton vs. Northern Iowa South Dakota vs. (5) UCF* (3) Nebraska vs. Wright State* Georgia* vs. (6) Southern California* (2) Ohio State vs. High Point James Madison vs. (7) Florida State* Ugh yuck not this This appeals to me as a Creighton fan. 1) I like the 1st weekend match ups for Creighton. 2) I like that both UNL (actual acronym for Nebraska) and CU are in the Austin regional, but not matched up on the sweet 16. Reminds me of San Antonio when Miles got ejected. I don't like that Texas would boat race Creighton should this happen though. I seriously doubt Texas is boat racing their Sweet Sixteen opponent, Creighton or not. I guess it depends on how we're defining boat racing. Also, it would be a fascinating juxtaposition for me with the huge men's basketball game in Austin on Thursday night. Creighton fans could get in a two for one (really a three for one) as long as they're willing to pay the money for the tickets. |
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Post by tomclen on Nov 27, 2022 6:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 8:06:13 GMT -5
I wasn't sure how to order Minnesota-Ohio State-Nebraska-Oregon. I hope Minnesota gets rewarded for this past weekend, and I'm not sure how low Ohio State can go. I too think 1-6 is its own group and 7-9 will be the three Big Ten teams. But Minnesota at 7 puts a little too much stock into the last weekend and not the overall body of work, IMO. 8 total losses, including Pepperdine (at home), Purdue and Northwestern (at home)... Yes, two great wins to end the season for sure, but I just cannot look past Minnesota and Ohio State's bad losses this season. Nebraska's 5 losses are all to teams who will be Top 10 seeds. I would go: 7 Nebraska 8 Minnesota 9 Ohio State I put Ohio State at 9 not very confidently because they are the only team in the Top 25 of the RPI with a +100 loss. That alone could knock them down a couple more seeds. |
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Post by aardvark on Nov 27, 2022 8:07:24 GMT -5
It's the controversy that nobody is talking about. Pitt has the third best RPI, yet everyone expects them to miss out on a top 4 seed.
I stated this expectation myself two weeks ago. Politics, I said. A few people had their feathers ruffled, and said it wasn't so.
But, inconveniently the season's end RPI still had Pitt above those others that are supposed to get it.
Read the posts. Everyone is sure Pitt is going to get dumped. It isn't even mentioned. They just fuss about Stanford vs USD.
Business as usual.
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