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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 23:26:31 GMT -5
This needs to be a tournament respected and played in by the teams just out the NCAA tourney. It’s a great experience for the players and can help build programs toward post season play.
There are some good teams that got snubbed. This a an opportunity to show something. VB should see the value of this and get behind it.
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Post by InfoBot on Nov 27, 2022 23:37:57 GMT -5
FWIW, I was told in another thread, "teams pay the first $15k in travel costs. If total travel expenses exceed that for the entirety of the tournament, the NIVC covers the rest." That is still a lot of money for schools that don’t have football and schools who don’t draw fans. What about lodging and meals? Schools pay their own too? I would like to think that lodging, at least, is included in "travel costs" but I'm not sure what the stipulations are. Just was passing along relevant information. |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 28, 2022 0:25:09 GMT -5
here is the gist of how the NIVC field is constructed:
- first off, for each of the 32 NCAA Division I conferences, the NIVC extends an automatic qualifier spot to the team from that conference that finishes highest in that conference's regular season standings, but did not receive a bid to the NCAA tournament.
If all 32 of those teams accepted the invite, then that would be the tournament field.
But there are always (at least thus far) teams that decline that AQ invite, in which case that conference's spot becomes part of the "at large" pool.
in order to be eligible or an at-large invite, a team must either: have and overall record of .500 or better OR be in the top 120 RPI
As at-large bids become available (via AQ teams declining), the NIVC will go down the list of teams in the RPI ranking (that aren't in the NCAA tourney, meet the [.500 or top 120] requirement and haven't already declined an invite to this year's tournament) and extend an invite to them, until they get a full field of 32. (or if there aren't enough teams that express an interest, then they'd pare down the field).
I'd imagine the NIVC contacts probable/possible teams in the time leading up to NCAA selection sunday to gauge interest and extend conditional invites ("if you should happen to not receive an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament, would you be interested in playing in the NIVC?" or something along those lines).
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 28, 2022 0:29:39 GMT -5
Clemson finished last in the ACC. evidently the NIVC changed their qualifying standards, since Clemson had a losing record and their RPI wasn't in the top 120 |
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Post by brooselee on Nov 28, 2022 1:18:06 GMT -5
Clemson finished last in the ACC. evidently the NIVC changed their qualifying standards, since Clemson had a losing record and their RPI wasn't in the top 120 A 12-18 Santa Clara team also got invited so the requirement of being a .500 team was thrown out the window with Clemson and Santa Clara. There must have been a large pool of “no” since no BW nor PAC 12 team accepted invites. At least 3 Big West team would have qualified….Cal Poly, Long Beach and Santa Barbara….maybe even UC Irvine. That is 4 teams that could have made the field much more competitive. Also UCLA from the PAC 12 could have won it all. All decided against going. |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 28, 2022 1:34:05 GMT -5
A 12-18 Santa Clara team also got invited so the requirement of being a .500 team was thrown out the window with Clemson and Santa Clara. Santa Clara might have been the AQ from the WCC Going down the list of the conference standings: - San Diego, BYU, LMU, and Pepperdine all made the NCAA tournament - Pacific and Santa Clara both ended up 8-10 in conference matches (Pacific forfeited a match at BYU, which doesn't count in the overall record or RPI, but counts in the conference standings). The two teams split in their head-to-head matches, each winning one match 3-1. I don't know what the additional tiebreak would be and don't feel like trying to look it up. IMO, Santa Clara should get the nod just because they actually played all their conference matches without forfeit. And the .500 rule doesn't apply to a conference's AQ There must have been a large pool of “no” maybe so. but so what? They have 32 teams that want to play, so more power to them! |
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Post by n00b on Nov 28, 2022 1:44:59 GMT -5
A 12-18 Santa Clara team also got invited so the requirement of being a .500 team was thrown out the window with Clemson and Santa Clara. Santa Clara might have been the AQ from the WCC Going down the list of the conference standings: - San Diego, BYU, LMU, and Pepperdine all made the NCAA tournament - Pacific and Santa Clara both ended up 8-10 in conference matches (Pacific forfeited a match at BYU, which doesn't count in the overall record or RPI, but counts in the conference standings). The two teams split in their head-to-head matches, each winning one match 3-1. I don't know what the additional tiebreak would be and don't feel like trying to look it up. IMO, Santa Clara should get the nod just because they actually played all their conference matches without forfeit. And the .500 rule doesn't apply to a conference's AQ There must have been a large pool of “no” maybe so. but so what? They have 32 teams that want to play, so more power to them! Yeah, the NIVC specifically lists them as an automatic qualifier. |
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 28, 2022 9:10:16 GMT -5
The release shows the 14 AQs, which shows that at least 18 teams declined.
At Large qualifiers with the RPKI from last week
102 - Boston College (Atlantic Coast Conference) – 19-13
120 - Buffalo (Mid-American Conference) – 19-13
113 - Central Michigan (Mid-American Conference) – 20-11
150 - Clemson (Atlantic Coast Conference) – 13-17
126 - Grand Canyon (Western Athletic Conference) – 17-10
127 - Louisiana (Sun Belt Conference) – 15-12
110 - North Dakota State (Summit Conference) – 21-11
131 - Pacific (West Coast Conference) – 16-13
87 - St. John’s (Big East Conference) – 19-13
164 - South Dakota State (Summit Conference) – 17-14
138 - Southern Miss (Sun Belt Conference) – 18-11
91 - Toledo (Mid-American Conference) – 18-12
100 - Troy (Sun Belt Conference) – 18-12
119 - Valparaiso (Missouri Valley Conference) – 22-10
101 - Wake Forest (Atlantic Coast Conference) – 16-13
132 - Weber State (Big Sky Conference) – 17-11
151 - Western Carolina (Southern Conference) – 18-12
73 - Wichita State (American Athletic Conference) – 18-12
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 28, 2022 9:34:14 GMT -5
AQs who accepted
*Alabama State (Southwestern Athletic Conference) -- 20-14
*Binghamton (American East Conference) – 17-8
*Coppin State (Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference) -- 23-10
Davidson (Atlantic 10 Conference) -- 20-10
Drake (Missouri Valley Conference) -- 26-7
*Houston Christian (Southland Conference) – 23-10
*Liberty (Atlantic Sun Conference) – 23-8
Ohio (Mid-American Conference) – 19-11
Omaha (Summit Conference) -- 20-10
Portland State (Big Sky Conference) -- 18-12
Santa Clara (West Coast Conference) – 12-18
*UT Martin (Ohio Valley Conference) -- 22-11
*UT-Rio Grande Valley (Western Athletic Conference) – 25-6
Xavier (Big East Conference) – 19-11
The AQs who apparently did not
American - SMU
ACC - NC State
Big 12 - Kansas State (who is without a coach at the moment)
Big South - Campbell
Big 10 - Illinois
Big West - UCSB
CAA - Hofstra
CUSA - UTEP
Horizon - Northern Kentucky
Ivy - Princeton
MAAC - Fairfield
Mountain West - San Jose State
Northeast - Sacred Heart
Pac 12 - UCLA
Patriot - Army
SEC - Mississippi State
SoCon - ETSU
Sun Belt - Texas State
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Post by karellen on Nov 28, 2022 10:24:12 GMT -5
Will the winner be chanting "We're 65th! We're 65th!"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 10:29:52 GMT -5
evidently the NIVC changed their qualifying standards, since Clemson had a losing record and their RPI wasn't in the top 120 A 12-18 Santa Clara team also got invited so the requirement of being a .500 team was thrown out the window with Clemson and Santa Clara. There must have been a large pool of “no” since no BW nor PAC 12 team accepted invites. At least 3 Big West team would have qualified….Cal Poly, Long Beach and Santa Barbara….maybe even UC Irvine. That is 4 teams that could have made the field much more competitive. Also UCLA from the PAC 12 could have won it all. All decided against going. higher profile teams always turn this down. |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 28, 2022 10:33:08 GMT -5
I hate people that do nothing but piss in other peoples cheerios.
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Post by volleyball303 on Nov 28, 2022 10:48:59 GMT -5
They should somehow play this tournament super fast and the winner should get an automatic spot in the NCAA tournament. That way a team like Texas State could prove the committee wrong.
I realize this is not possible but would be interesting.
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Post by vballfan34 on Nov 28, 2022 12:44:01 GMT -5
They should somehow play this tournament super fast and the winner should get an automatic spot in the NCAA tournament. That way a team like Texas State could prove the committee wrong. I realize this is not possible but would be interesting. or maybe get an auto bid next year? not ideal but just a thought |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 28, 2022 12:46:48 GMT -5
They should somehow play this tournament super fast and the winner should get an automatic spot in the NCAA tournament. That way a team like Texas State could prove the committee wrong. I realize this is not possible but would be interesting. more realistic would be to add "first four" games, expanding the tournament field to 68 like they do in MBB. but that wouldn't really solve anything, and the 69th team would just be outraged about not getting a bid and I doubt there would be enough interest in such a setup to get it put in place |
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