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Post by Word on Dec 2, 2022 14:48:28 GMT -5
I started voicing concerns in 2014, and I've been asking for his sacking since 2019, ahead of the curve apparently. Though the results have been less than half those achieved on average by his predecessor Banachowski (ave. finish with his own recruits 29.6 since 2013, vs. 11.4 for Andy), I would not even engage the conversation for that. I have no dog in the fight, just a love for the game and a refusal to sit idly by while young, inexperienced quasi adults endure needless pain. If you look at the pattern of player morale, of player enthusiasm for playing and competing, of what players say when they transfer, of what they don't say while in the program, you see the broader picture... somehow, some way, the longer a player is under Sealy, the more their love for the game dies. He is a walking crime against the love of playing competitive volleyball. Don't know how, or why, but he is a destroyer of dreams. All of my posts have been motivated by advocating for something better for the players. lol, this is so unclear & veiled. He is a 'walking crime' comes across as some axe to grind comment. Surely women that signed up or transferred in talked to some team members before deciding, which one would think would have made the team results even far worse than it has been. Seemed Sponcil thrived in performing under Sealy. Mac May seemed to thrive/excel. Sealy is a nice enough guy. His team issues just typically revolved around inconsistencies with how he handled various personnel. Not to get into too many specific, but if he told the team to NOT do something, and a player went off and did it anyway, the consequence would vary based on how important you were to the team. Mac May, slap on the wrist. Bench payer does the same exact thing, suspended for a match. There was no consistent accountability standard amongst the players which created animosity amongst the girls. There's countless examples of this over the years, but the way he treated players inconsistently certainly didn't help build team chemistry. I like Sealy as a person, very personable and easy to get along with. Knows his volleyball as well. That ability to bring out the most in his teams though (2011 the exception) was always his weakness. I wish him the best in his future endeavors, would be a helluva assistant coach if he ever got back into coaching.
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Post by eazy on Dec 2, 2022 14:53:32 GMT -5
lol, this is so unclear & veiled. first, there is no LOL about the man. Second, I have no axe to grind. - don't know him, have never spoken to him, don't know anybody that does know him. The man has stepped down. No need to drag his name through the mud on your victory tour.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 2, 2022 14:54:43 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm too late to the party and it really doesn't matter anymore, but I'm curious: just what was so awful about Sealy that evokes the animus so obvious in so many posters? And so obviously justified, in the view of those many posters, that it isn't even necessary to identify his sin? It's as though it just goes without saying that Sealy ought to fired. You'd think that he had just announced that he was making Kanye West his assistant head coach. Or Rick Butler. Perhaps it has underperformed over the last 10 years, but UCLA made it to the regionals just last year (where it lost to the eventual national champ), and lots of programs underperform. Yes, lots of coaches get replaced, but the negativity directed towards Sealy seems unusually strong on the board (rivaled only in the case of Aird and the politically based opposition to the Missouri coach, whose name I can't recall). So, I ask again, why the hatred? So I think there are a couple of things going on here. First, there are a fair number of UCLA fans on this board and even more fans that have UCLA as a secondary rooting interest. The other thing is that there are a lot of Pac-12 fans on this board. In recent years, the Big Ten has surpassed the Pac-12 as the top conference in the country, and I think a lot of those fans blame UCLA under Sealy and USC (mostly under Crouch) for contributing to that. It's kind of funny because USC and UCLA are both leaving the Pac-12 for the Big Ten pretty soon, but a lot of the anti-Sealy sentiment predated that announcement.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 2, 2022 14:56:58 GMT -5
lol, this is so unclear & veiled. He is a 'walking crime' comes across as some axe to grind comment. Surely women that signed up or transferred in talked to some team members before deciding, which one would think would have made the team results even far worse than it has been. Seemed Sponcil thrived in performing under Sealy. Mac May seemed to thrive/excel. Sealy is a nice enough guy. His team issues just typically revolved around inconsistencies with how he handled various personnel. Not to get into too many specific, but if he told the team to NOT do something, and a player went off and did it anyway, the consequence would vary based on how important you were to the team. Mac May, slap on the wrist. Bench payer does the same exact thing, suspended for a match. There was no consistent accountability standard amongst the players which created animosity amongst the girls. There's countless examples of this over the years, but the way he treated players inconsistently certainly didn't help build team chemistry. I like Sealy as a person, very personable and easy to get along with. Knows his volleyball as well. That ability to bring out the most in his teams though (2011 the exception) was always his weakness. I wish him the best in his future endeavors, would be a helluva assistant coach if he ever got back into coaching. thanks! lol, nice that someone could explain in a non-vitriol manner with some understandable detail not every coach knows their 'blindspots, and maybe they do and do not learn or develop how to overcome them.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 2, 2022 15:05:04 GMT -5
lol, this is so unclear & veiled. He is a 'walking crime' comes across as some axe to grind comment. Surely women that signed up or transferred in talked to some team members before deciding, which one would think would have made the team results even far worse than it has been. Seemed Sponcil thrived in performing under Sealy. Mac May seemed to thrive/excel. Sealy is a nice enough guy. His team issues just typically revolved around inconsistencies with how he handled various personnel. Not to get into too many specific, but if he told the team to NOT do something, and a player went off and did it anyway, the consequence would vary based on how important you were to the team. Mac May, slap on the wrist. Bench payer does the same exact thing, suspended for a match. There was no consistent accountability standard amongst the players which created animosity amongst the girls. There's countless examples of this over the years, but the way he treated players inconsistently certainly didn't help build team chemistry. I like Sealy as a person, very personable and easy to get along with. Knows his volleyball as well. That ability to bring out the most in his teams though (2011 the exception) was always his weakness. I wish him the best in his future endeavors, would be a helluva assistant coach if he ever got back into coaching. To be fair, this is not a Sealy-specific issue. There are a lot of coaches (and front office people) in all sports at all levels who are guilty of this kind of thing. It's not even really a sports thing but more of a life thing. The more valuable you are to an organization, in general, the more you can tend to get away with.
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Post by baytree on Dec 2, 2022 15:08:10 GMT -5
For what? Because he inherited someone else's players? For me, yes. It's one thing to take an intact team and win. It's another to build your own team. They're different skill sets. You can be good at one without being good at the other. He still gets credit for winning with Andy's players. It's a huge accomplishment. Not everyone could have done that. But he's never done it with his own players, which he needs to do if he's going to run a top program.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 2, 2022 15:10:02 GMT -5
For what? Because he inherited someone else's players? For me, yes. It's one thing to take an intact team and win. It's another to build your own team. They're different skill sets. You can be good at one without being good at the other. He still gets credit for winning with Andy's players. It's a huge accomplishment. Not everyone could have done that. But he's never done it with his own players, which he needs to do if he's going to run a top program. Sure, I agree with that. I view Sealy as the volleyball equivalent of Mike Tomlin for my Steelers. A title is a title, but inheriting is different than building.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Dec 2, 2022 15:11:32 GMT -5
Sealy leaves UCLA as the coach of a National Champion. Yes but ... *What? No. Jeez.
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Post by Word on Dec 2, 2022 15:34:36 GMT -5
Sealy is a nice enough guy. His team issues just typically revolved around inconsistencies with how he handled various personnel. Not to get into too many specific, but if he told the team to NOT do something, and a player went off and did it anyway, the consequence would vary based on how important you were to the team. Mac May, slap on the wrist. Bench payer does the same exact thing, suspended for a match. There was no consistent accountability standard amongst the players which created animosity amongst the girls. There's countless examples of this over the years, but the way he treated players inconsistently certainly didn't help build team chemistry. I like Sealy as a person, very personable and easy to get along with. Knows his volleyball as well. That ability to bring out the most in his teams though (2011 the exception) was always his weakness. I wish him the best in his future endeavors, would be a helluva assistant coach if he ever got back into coaching. To be fair, this is not a Sealy-specific issue. There are a lot of coaches (and front office people) in all sports at all levels who are guilty of this kind of thing. It's not even really a sports thing but more of a life thing. The more valuable you are to an organization, in general, the more you can tend to get away with. You're not wrong. But I would argue that Women in particular, respond better to structure and thrive when given the framework on how to be successful. This isn't professional sports where your focus is simply winning. Great coaches build such a solid foundation that these types of situations shouldn't even happen in the first place. The fact that top players knowingly could make bad choices without consequences shows the issues are already in place. And where's the player leadership if a top player is showing her teammates that her actions are going to be disobedient to the coach. Again, there were other issues throughout the years, this is just an example. Not saying other colleges and work places don't have this stuff happening all the time, just one example of how players didn't thrive under these circumstances.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 2, 2022 15:48:19 GMT -5
first, there is no LOL about the man. Second, I have no axe to grind. - don't know him, have never spoken to him, don't know anybody that does know him. The man has stepped down. No need to drag his name through the mud on your victory tour. I agree that there is no reason to stomp on the man's grave. The important thing was to make a change, and to then look to the future. I understand what some posters are suggesting with regards to whom UCLA hires as their next coach. Their current financial situation and ability to commit resources to Olympic Sports is certainly a factor. But I would argue that aside from Football, Women's Volleyball moving to the B1G represents one of the biggest opportunities to make a statement about the reasons for switching conferences. The B1G is undoubtedly where it's at in terms of WVB, and not hiring a coach who can hit the ground running and compete with the current B1G coaches will be a big mistake. The new coach will have one year in the PAC 12 to reload rosters and get things going, but she/he will have to be ready to go once the move occurs. Waiting on a 2-3 or 3-5 year rebuilding situation would be disastrous in the B1G.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 2, 2022 15:50:08 GMT -5
Sealy is a nice enough guy. His team issues just typically revolved around inconsistencies with how he handled various personnel. Not to get into too many specific, but if he told the team to NOT do something, and a player went off and did it anyway, the consequence would vary based on how important you were to the team. Mac May, slap on the wrist. Bench payer does the same exact thing, suspended for a match. There was no consistent accountability standard amongst the players which created animosity amongst the girls. There's countless examples of this over the years, but the way he treated players inconsistently certainly didn't help build team chemistry. I like Sealy as a person, very personable and easy to get along with. Knows his volleyball as well. That ability to bring out the most in his teams though (2011 the exception) was always his weakness. I wish him the best in his future endeavors, would be a helluva assistant coach if he ever got back into coaching. To be fair, this is not a Sealy-specific issue. There are a lot of coaches (and front office people) in all sports at all levels who are guilty of this kind of thing. It's not even really a sports thing but more of a life thing. The more valuable you are to an organization, in general, the more you can tend to get away with. while that is generally true organizationally, the dynamics for a functioning sports team / military unit all in a confined working space exacerbate those types of issues remote working is an entire new dynamic for this as well.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 2, 2022 16:02:43 GMT -5
To be fair, this is not a Sealy-specific issue. There are a lot of coaches (and front office people) in all sports at all levels who are guilty of this kind of thing. It's not even really a sports thing but more of a life thing. The more valuable you are to an organization, in general, the more you can tend to get away with. while that is generally true organizationally, the dynamics for a functioning sports team / military unit all in a confined working space exacerbate those types of issues remote working is an entire new dynamic for this as well. Yeah, I don't agree with double standards and special treatment. I'm just acknowledging that it's fairly widespread in many organizations.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 2, 2022 16:25:45 GMT -5
To say UCLA is a sleeping giant is of course a gross understatement. Sealy is a good guy and I’m sure knows the game, but I dont think he was grinding, or at least that doesn’t seem to be the identity in the way it seems with Wisconsin, Louisville, Nebraska, Pitt….. do. They have one of the most appealing total packages to offer recruits, if someone gets in there and gets after it, they could consistently compete to win titles.
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Post by Mark Richards on Dec 2, 2022 17:42:11 GMT -5
Thanks Mike for the National Championship, you followed a legend (Banachowski)
Across town USC is already on their second replacement (Haley) and have had no such success of even reaching the regionals.
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Post by vboldskool on Dec 2, 2022 18:01:13 GMT -5
Thanks Mike for the National Championship, you followed a legend (Banachowski) Across town USC is already on their second replacement (Haley) and have had no such success of even reaching the regionals. Rarely goes well for the "man" that replaces the "man" Exceptions?? Off the top of my head, Nebraska - Pettit to Cook
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