Sealy resigns from UCLA

[bruinlover]

Read it in Volleyball Magazine


volleyballmag.com/ucla-mike-sealy-coaching-carousel-120122/

[dunninla3]

already a thread on this 8 pages long . not that I'm not happy to see it in 100 different threads.  I'm as happy as a pig in slop.

[gogophers]

Perhaps I'm too late to the party and it really doesn't matter anymore, but I'm curious: just what was so awful about Sealy that evokes the animus so obvious in so many posters? And so obviously justified, in the view of those many posters, that it isn't even necessary to identify his sin? It's as though it just goes without saying that Sealy ought to fired. You'd think that he had just announced that he was making Kanye West his assistant head coach. Or Rick Butler. Perhaps it has underperformed over the last 10 years, but UCLA made it to the regionals just last year (where it lost to the eventual national champ), and lots of programs underperform. Yes, lots of coaches get replaced, but the negativity directed towards Sealy seems unusually strong on the board (rivaled only in the case of Aird and the politically based opposition to the Missouri coach, whose name I can't recall). So, I ask again, why the hatred?

[aznsun90]

Dec 2, 2022 5:23:55 GMT -5 gogophers said:

Perhaps I'm too late to the party and it really doesn't matter anymore, but I'm curious: just what was so awful about Sealy that evokes the animus so obvious in so many posters? And so obviously justified, in the view of those many posters, that it isn't even necessary to identify his sin? It's as though it just goes without saying that Sealy ought to fired. You'd think that he had just announced that he was making Kanye West his assistant head coach. Or Rick Butler. Perhaps it has underperformed over the last 10 years, but UCLA made it to the regionals just last year (where it lost to the eventual national champ), and lots of programs underperform. Yes, lots of coaches get replaced, but the negativity directed towards Sealy seems unusually strong on the board (rivaled only in the case of Aird and the politically based opposition to the Missouri coach, whose name I can't recall). So, I ask again, why the hatred?

Can anyone shed some light on how Sealey was as an assistant coach to Dave Shoji?

[Mark Richards]

Sealy leaves UCLA as the coach of a National Champion.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Dec 2, 2022 10:48:30 GMT -5 aznsun90 said:

Dec 2, 2022 5:23:55 GMT -5 gogophers said:

Perhaps I'm too late to the party and it really doesn't matter anymore, but I'm curious: just what was so awful about Sealy that evokes the animus so obvious in so many posters? And so obviously justified, in the view of those many posters, that it isn't even necessary to identify his sin? It's as though it just goes without saying that Sealy ought to fired. You'd think that he had just announced that he was making Kanye West his assistant head coach. Or Rick Butler. Perhaps it has underperformed over the last 10 years, but UCLA made it to the regionals just last year (where it lost to the eventual national champ), and lots of programs underperform. Yes, lots of coaches get replaced, but the negativity directed towards Sealy seems unusually strong on the board (rivaled only in the case of Aird and the politically based opposition to the Missouri coach, whose name I can't recall). So, I ask again, why the hatred?

Can anyone shed some light on how Sealey was as an assistant coach to Dave Shoji?

Dave brought Mike on as an associate coach in March of 2006 after Charlie Wade left to take over the Pacific Women’s program. Dave brought him on to help recruit and to develop Hawaii’s setters. Mike left in 2010 after he got the head coaching job at UCLA. He was replaced by Scott Wong.

[volleyguy]

Dec 2, 2022 5:23:55 GMT -5 gogophers said:

Perhaps I'm too late to the party and it really doesn't matter anymore, but I'm curious: just what was so awful about Sealy that evokes the animus so obvious in so many posters? And so obviously justified, in the view of those many posters, that it isn't even necessary to identify his sin? It's as though it just goes without saying that Sealy ought to fired. You'd think that he had just announced that he was making Kanye West his assistant head coach. Or Rick Butler. Perhaps it has underperformed over the last 10 years, but UCLA made it to the regionals just last year (where it lost to the eventual national champ), and lots of programs underperform. Yes, lots of coaches get replaced, but the negativity directed towards Sealy seems unusually strong on the board (rivaled only in the case of Aird and the politically based opposition to the Missouri coach, whose name I can't recall). So, I ask again, why the hatred?

I don't think people hate Sealy. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people on this board have never met him. But UCLA is one of the Legacy WVB programs, and disappointment runs deep that they're not in the current conversation of top programs. That can make people react with vitriol.

[dunninla3]

Dec 2, 2022 5:23:55 GMT -5 gogophers said:

Perhaps I'm too late to the party and it really doesn't matter anymore, but I'm curious: just what was so awful about Sealy that evokes the animus so obvious in so many posters? 

I started voicing concerns in 2014, and I've been asking for his sacking since 2019, ahead of the curve apparently.

Though the results have been less than half those achieved on average by his predecessor Banachowski (ave. finish with his own recruits 29.6 since 2013, vs. 11.4 for Andy), I would not even engage the conversation for that.

I have no dog in the fight, just a love for the game and a refusal to sit idly by while young, inexperienced quasi adults endure needless pain.

If you look at the pattern of player morale, of player enthusiasm for playing and competing, of what players say when they transfer, of what they don't say while in the program, you see the broader picture... somehow, some way, the longer a player is under Sealy, the more their love for the game dies.  He is a walking crime against the love of playing competitive volleyball.   Don't know how, or why, but he is a destroyer of dreams. 

All of my posts have been motivated by advocating for something better for the players. 

[hammer]

Dec 2, 2022 11:09:20 GMT -5 Mark Richards said:

Sealy leaves UCLA as the coach of a National Champion.

Yes but ...

*

[BeachbytheBay]

Dec 2, 2022 5:23:55 GMT -5 gogophers said:

Perhaps I'm too late to the party and it really doesn't matter anymore, but I'm curious: just what was so awful about Sealy that evokes the animus so obvious in so many posters? And so obviously justified, in the view of those many posters, that it isn't even necessary to identify his sin? It's as though it just goes without saying that Sealy ought to fired. You'd think that he had just announced that he was making Kanye West his assistant head coach. Or Rick Butler. Perhaps it has underperformed over the last 10 years, but UCLA made it to the regionals just last year (where it lost to the eventual national champ), and lots of programs underperform. Yes, lots of coaches get replaced, but the negativity directed towards Sealy seems unusually strong on the board (rivaled only in the case of Aird and the politically based opposition to the Missouri coach, whose name I can't recall). So, I ask again, why the hatred?

agree

agree the program has recently not performed to where expected. Also noted Luper was out much of this year (I know, that comes off as an excuse)

just reading thru posts, the theme is 'he is bad because he is bad'....and not much more.

there really is a dearth of specific points of faults/sins. Like what exactly does he not do well? Never get a sense that he's abusive, have seen certain players seem to thrive / excel. is he to 'calm' or too 'laid back'?

I don't get the animous, but then it's VT, animous can take a life of it's own

[BeachbytheBay]

Dec 2, 2022 12:13:02 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

Dec 2, 2022 5:23:55 GMT -5 gogophers said:

Perhaps I'm too late to the party and it really doesn't matter anymore, but I'm curious: just what was so awful about Sealy that evokes the animus so obvious in so many posters? 

I started voicing concerns in 2014, and I've been asking for his sacking since 2019, ahead of the curve apparently.

Though the results have been less than half those achieved on average by his predecessor Banachowski (ave. finish with his own recruits 29.6 since 2013, vs. 11.4 for Andy), I would not even engage the conversation for that.

I have no dog in the fight, just a love for the game and a refusal to sit idly by while young, inexperienced quasi adults endure needless pain.

If you look at the pattern of player morale, of player enthusiasm for playing and competing, of what players say when they transfer, of what they don't say while in the program, you see the broader picture... somehow, some way, the longer a player is under Sealy, the more their love for the game dies.  He is a walking crime against the love of playing competitive volleyball.   Don't know how, or why, but he is a destroyer of dreams. 

All of my posts have been motivated by advocating for something better for the players. 

lol, this is so unclear & veiled.

He is a 'walking crime' comes across as some axe to grind comment. Surely women that signed up or transferred in talked to some team members before deciding, which one would think would have made the team results even far worse than it has been. Seemed Sponcil thrived in performing under Sealy. Mac May seemed to thrive/excel.

[dunninla3]

Dec 2, 2022 14:13:10 GMT -5 BeachbytheBay said:

Dec 2, 2022 12:13:02 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

I started voicing concerns in 2014, and I've been asking for his sacking since 2019, ahead of the curve apparently.

Though the results have been less than half those achieved on average by his predecessor Banachowski (ave. finish with his own recruits 29.6 since 2013, vs. 11.4 for Andy), I would not even engage the conversation for that.

I have no dog in the fight, just a love for the game and a refusal to sit idly by while young, inexperienced quasi adults endure needless pain.

If you look at the pattern of player morale, of player enthusiasm for playing and competing, of what players say when they transfer, of what they don't say while in the program, you see the broader picture... somehow, some way, the longer a player is under Sealy, the more their love for the game dies.  He is a walking crime against the love of playing competitive volleyball.   Don't know how, or why, but he is a destroyer of dreams. 

All of my posts have been motivated by advocating for something better for the players. 

lol, this is so unclear & veiled.

first, there is no LOL about the man.  Second, I have no axe to grind. - don't know him, have never spoken to him, don't know anybody that does know him.  Third, I'm not going back nine years for specific comments made by players, specific things that occurred ... this is not a trial.  Poster asked, I answered, based on nine years of reading specific comments, and observing the dozens too many times the team gave up in tough circumstances because the atmosphere of the team just didn't support a fighting spirit.. that comes from the top.

[bbg95]

Dec 2, 2022 14:03:45 GMT -5 hammer said:

Dec 2, 2022 11:09:20 GMT -5 Mark Richards said:

Sealy leaves UCLA as the coach of a National Champion.

Yes but ...

*

For what? Because he inherited someone else's players?

[Mark Richards]

Dec 2, 2022 5:23:55 GMT -5 gogophers said:

Perhaps I'm too late to the party and it really doesn't matter anymore, but I'm curious: just what was so awful about Sealy that evokes the animus so obvious in so many posters? And so obviously justified, in the view of those many posters, that it isn't even necessary to identify his sin? It's as though it just goes without saying that Sealy ought to fired. You'd think that he had just announced that he was making Kanye West his assistant head coach. Or Rick Butler. Perhaps it has underperformed over the last 10 years, but UCLA made it to the regionals just last year (where it lost to the eventual national champ), and lots of programs underperform. Yes, lots of coaches get replaced, but the negativity directed towards Sealy seems unusually strong on the board (rivaled only in the case of Aird and the politically based opposition to the Missouri coach, whose name I can't recall). So, I ask again, why the hatred?

Sealy won a National Championship and had multiple players who were honored as All Americans. He ran a clean program. 

[BeachbytheBay]

Dec 2, 2022 14:24:17 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

Dec 2, 2022 14:13:10 GMT -5 BeachbytheBay said:

lol, this is so unclear & veiled.

first, there is no LOL about the man.  Second, I have no axe to grind. - don't know him, have never spoken to him, don't know anybody that does know him.  Third, I'm not going back nine years for specific comments made by players, specific things that occurred ... this is not a trial.  Poster asked, I answered, based on nine years of reading specific comments, and observing the dozens too many times the team gave up in tough circumstances because the atmosphere of the team just didn't support a fighting spirit.. that comes from the top.

wow, sorry you don't have a sense of humor. and yes there is some humor in most everything, including this.

this isn't a matter a life and death, and frankly your posts are simply so cryptic that one can't make much of it, other than coming away with the impression you do have an axe to grind

you can like or accept that 'impression' or not....and that is the impression left

he's gone, so be it. it's unfortunately. again so little detail as to really get a sense of what he did so poorl;, and no would not expect you or anyone to 'dig up' old posts. just it hasn't been conveyed very well what he doesn't do well. Maybe not a good motivator, however the fact is he has had some very good seasons that contradicts that notion to some extent.