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Post by wahinefan on Dec 2, 2023 22:44:14 GMT -5
With Caylen Alexander, Tali Hakas, and Stella Adeyemi at the pins, I can see Robyn running a quicker offense. These 3 players are really quick to the ball. Whereas Riley Wagoner and Paula Guersching are alot slower to ball. These 2 players, especially Paula Guersching need higher set balls to hit. Not to mention, Kendra Ham also. Believe that is the reason why Robyn did not really go to a quicker offense this year. But next year could be a lot different, depending on who wins the pin positions. For me, I would love to see Tali Hakas, Caylen Alexander, and Stella Adeyemi as the pin hitters, next year.
Also, do not count out Jacyn Bamis as one of the Starting Middles next year. She kind of reminds me of Skyler Williams, but quicker. Skyler Williams was not spectacular, just steady. Skyler Williams really did not come into her own until her Junior and Senior years, which Jacyn Bamis will be next year.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 2, 2023 22:50:54 GMT -5
Jackie Matias needs to improve quite a bit during the off season, otherwise, Adrianna Arquette will beat her out of the backup setter position. Already, Adrianna Arquette has the blocking ability over Jackie Matias. Not to mention being a more physical setter, in the mode of a Norene Iosia.
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Post by 808empath on Dec 2, 2023 23:51:32 GMT -5
Someone without a life outside of this forum. Or maybe just posting for nothing. Wait, why is there hate for madden right now? Madden was complimentary when Hawaii was playing well and gave thoughts on when Hawaii was playing bad and had a similar reaction to wahinefan's horrible posts. I didn't see anything that I thought was out of line. I đźš«'d that poster awhile ago. It's just easier for me to đźš« someone who I want no interaction with. If only I could do that in real life.
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 2, 2023 23:55:27 GMT -5
Jackie Matias needs to improve quite a bit during the off season, otherwise, Adrianna Arquette will beat her out of the backup setter position. Already, Adrianna Arquette has the blocking ability over Jackie Matias. Not to mention being a more physical setter, in the mode of a Norene Iosia. This brings up a point that I was curious about. How often does Robyn set the B-side in practice? I believe it was Kate who mentioned that Robyn sets the B-side and I saw a photo either from the BWCT or Oregon of Robyn looking like she was setting Wags. I ask the question because I think if Robyn sets a lot during the live gameplay portions of the practices then that definitely takes away from the touches her setters need.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 3, 2023 0:07:23 GMT -5
Jackie Matias needs to improve quite a bit during the off season, otherwise, Adrianna Arquette will beat her out of the backup setter position. Already, Adrianna Arquette has the blocking ability over Jackie Matias. Not to mention being a more physical setter, in the mode of a Norene Iosia. This brings up a point that I was curious about. How often does Robyn set the B-side in practice? I believe it was Kate who mentioned that Robyn sets the B-side and I saw a photo either from the BWCT or Oregon of Robyn looking like she was setting Wags. I ask the question because I think if Robyn sets a lot during the live gameplay portions of the practices then that definitely takes away from the touches her setters need. Interesting. If you go with Kate, being the Starter, that she should set the A-side about 75-80% of the time in practice, then Jackie is only setting about 20-25% in practice, she would not learn much. Jackie should be setting the B-side about 75-80%, and the A-side about 20-25%, with Kate setting the B-side 20-25%. Robyn should only be setting when she wants to show both Kate and Jackie how a certain set should be performed.
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 3, 2023 0:14:35 GMT -5
In the offseason, I visit this thread for transfer in/out and coaching staff in/out news and rumors. I don't care about predicted starting lineups and such. Speaking of... Eagerly anticipating the unveiling of the Hawaii 2024 thread. Cubicle No More ...
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Post by raian13 on Dec 3, 2023 0:15:50 GMT -5
In the offseason, I visit this thread for transfer in/out and coaching staff in/out news and rumors. I don't care about predicted starting lineups and such. Speaking of... Eagerly anticipating the unveiling of the Hawaii 2024 thread. Cubicle No More ...He took a break. Praying for his well-being.
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Post by babybacksets on Dec 3, 2023 0:35:07 GMT -5
I mean 808 is not wrong tho. Time eventually reveals the truth and if each year our ball control always gets exposed in our biggest games then there’s a problem in cultivating the right training or lack there of. If it becomes mental then there’s more to it then doubt, with constant training and preparation there is nothing to doubt. Nor should there be a need for animated examples in the mist of a games timeout! I’m not calling out coach Rob, I think her passion for the team and the girls are absolutely awesome and a big positive but there needs to be some changes in training and coaching not necessarily her but additional coaches to help find new approaches to help find a remedy and lay improvements! This program has developed many unknown All -Americans like Amber…Ahuna, Cubi-Otinero , Maglio. If you are content with our current status and think we can’t improve in our coaching/training/method and being the current Delaware’s , Fairfield’s and Northern Illinois going into Lincoln .. Madison.. and Austin in the first rounds as a back end top 50-60’s Team as a reward for winning your conference then congrats cause that’s where we are already But you’re saying this without insider knowledge of how passing is trained in the off season. And if it’s big games where we see the breakdown then I would think mental approach would be the first thing to address. Also it’s kind of ridiculous to assume that anyone is “content” with where are nationally, no one is saying that, nor is anyone saying that things can’t be improved, it just doesn’t make sense to make declarative statements without also having first hand knowledge of what goes on in the practice gym.
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 3, 2023 0:41:39 GMT -5
In the offseason, I visit this thread for transfer in/out and coaching staff in/out news and rumors. I don't care about predicted starting lineups and such. Speaking of... Eagerly anticipating the unveiling of the Hawaii 2024 thread. Cubicle No More ... He took a break. Praying for his well-being. Agreed! Cubicle No More ... you are in our prayers and thoughts! We miss you!
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Post by babybacksets on Dec 3, 2023 0:53:44 GMT -5
Yeah if we had an Emily Hartong/Kanani Danielson pin or a really dynamic setter, we might be able to still make things work. But we could have also gotten an Ogilve or another Akiu too. But basically, Alexander, Adeymi didn't play much back row in high school and club. Guersching had bad passing numbers as Youngstown State. Hakas was 6-rotations in Israel, but the ball is different there and the level isn't as high. (And as expected--she was the most ready to go) On the positive side, Alexander is probably one year away from being a solid 6-ro player. She was passing well enough that opposing teams started to target Ham/Hakas. That's a plus. Tbh I felt like Hakas was a little erratic as a passer, she was incredible on floor defense but her passing left a lot to be desired but I do think she’ll be one of those who will benefit from training over the Spring to make her more reliable there, will be Riley level reliable? Who knows, but she absolutely has the potential.
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 3, 2023 1:03:21 GMT -5
I mean 808 is not wrong tho. Time eventually reveals the truth and if each year our ball control always gets exposed in our biggest games then there’s a problem in cultivating the right training or lack there of. If it becomes mental then there’s more to it then doubt, with constant training and preparation there is nothing to doubt. Nor should there be a need for animated examples in the mist of a games timeout! I’m not calling out coach Rob, I think her passion for the team and the girls are absolutely awesome and a big positive but there needs to be some changes in training and coaching not necessarily her but additional coaches to help find new approaches to help find a remedy and lay improvements! This program has developed many unknown All -Americans like Amber…Ahuna, Cubi-Otinero , Maglio. If you are content with our current status and think we can’t improve in our coaching/training/method and being the current Delaware’s , Fairfield’s and Northern Illinois going into Lincoln .. Madison.. and Austin in the first rounds as a back end top 50-60’s Team as a reward for winning your conference then congrats cause that’s where we are already There's a few things I want to address here: 1.) In post season matches where the stage is high and the stakes are even higher, someone's passing will and needs to breakdown. It's one of the first ways you strategize against a team. Serving is dual in nature as its offensive but it is also a first line of "defense" by pulling setters off the net and making offenses easier to set up against. With that being said, I don't think anyone is saying Hawaii's passing is amazing. They had a rough go but they definitely showed some improvement the last few weeks of the season vs CP and LB. The passing got tested by ISU and I was happy with how they held on cause sometimes that's what you have to do. The passing started off strong against Oregon but the Ducks whittled away at the passing line and it broke. I don't disagree with you that passing needs to improve cause it's just the truth. 2.) Your sentiment at the end where you gave a snarky "congratulations" to fans who are supporting the team while keeping it real and sharing knowledge of the game is another feature of the Hawaii fanbase on VT. Nobody said anything about being content with the team's finishes but we're fans and will support the team and try to be as constructive as possible. This "congrats for being mediocre" act is right along with what I called out the other day when I said I feel like there are some Hawaii's fans who are actually ashamed to be fans of this program. I think this because so many resort to cutting down players and staff (in the first set, mind you) and bailing when the ship hits rough waters but quickly wanna come back aboard and when the sun comes out. That's the funny part right there! Also it's quite the exaggeration to say that Hawaii is on par with teams like Delaware, Fairfield and NIU. Delaware had a fine season but they have no top 50 wins and even suffered a few 150 sub losses. Fairfield and NIU were something like 140 and 240 respectively in the RPI this season. Side note: Aneli was a notable local recruit!
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 3, 2023 1:06:44 GMT -5
Yeah if we had an Emily Hartong/Kanani Danielson pin or a really dynamic setter, we might be able to still make things work. But we could have also gotten an Ogilve or another Akiu too. But basically, Alexander, Adeymi didn't play much back row in high school and club. Guersching had bad passing numbers as Youngstown State. Hakas was 6-rotations in Israel, but the ball is different there and the level isn't as high. (And as expected--she was the most ready to go) On the positive side, Alexander is probably one year away from being a solid 6-ro player. She was passing well enough that opposing teams started to target Ham/Hakas. That's a plus. Tbh I felt like Hakas was a little erratic as a passer, she was incredible on floor defense but her passing left a lot to be desired but I do think she’ll be one of those who will benefit from training over the Spring to make her more reliable there, will be Riley level reliable? Who knows, but she absolutely has the potential. That part! She was very erratic in serve receive and I know damn well that Logan Tom did not teach her to swing her arms that way when she passes. Floor defense and scramble was probably tops on the team though. She can read.
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 3, 2023 1:09:35 GMT -5
This brings up a point that I was curious about. How often does Robyn set the B-side in practice? I believe it was Kate who mentioned that Robyn sets the B-side and I saw a photo either from the BWCT or Oregon of Robyn looking like she was setting Wags. I ask the question because I think if Robyn sets a lot during the live gameplay portions of the practices then that definitely takes away from the touches her setters need. Interesting. If you go with Kate, being the Starter, that she should set the A-side about 75-80% of the time in practice, then Jackie is only setting about 20-25% in practice, she would not learn much. Jackie should be setting the B-side about 75-80%, and the A-side about 20-25%, with Kate setting the B-side 20-25%. Robyn should only be setting when she wants to show both Kate and Jackie how a certain set should be performed. Yes ma'am. Jackie needs reps if not to take the starting position then at least to be a viable back up. I shared this with babybacksets but I have coached against Jackie since she was young and she has never looked so paltry in setting and just her overall game in general. Now I'm not saying definitively that Jackie's woes are because Robyn sets the B-side because I don't know. But if Robyn or any coach for the matter is taking touches away from the players more often than not, it's a problem.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 3, 2023 1:27:07 GMT -5
It just seems to me like Jackie has lost confidence in her setting ability. She just needs setting time, whether it is in practice or in an actual match. With that playing time she will regain her confidence, and her setting ability will come back.
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Post by babybacksets on Dec 3, 2023 1:30:04 GMT -5
Tbh I felt like Hakas was a little erratic as a passer, she was incredible on floor defense but her passing left a lot to be desired but I do think she’ll be one of those who will benefit from training over the Spring to make her more reliable there, will be Riley level reliable? Who knows, but she absolutely has the potential. That part! She was very erratic in serve receive and I know damn well that Logan Tom did not teach her to swing her arms that way when she passes. Floor defense and scramble was probably tops on the team though. She can read. Yes it was definitely the swinging for me. Hopefully that’s a habit she can break by next season because she has the potential to be a more offensive Wagoner and the momentum of the type of fearless defense she brings can make an incredible difference, especially if it’s a mainstay in the lineup. I think Caylen was the steadier passer this season, just made overall calmer, quieter moves. I like Paula and Stella and I think they will provide quality depth, if not win out a spot outright if their passing, floor defense, and out of system hitting improves. Paula for sure needs to get stronger and jump higher, she got dug way too much this season but I think if she’s the type of player that wants great things for herself, she’ll take on the challenge. Stella I like a lot of her athleticism and I think her way in is bringing the incredible athlete she is in the front row along with her to the backrow. But going back to what was previously stated, passing is ALWAYS going to be something every team works on but like you stated, passing just breaks down sometimes, but that breakdown gets felt A LOT less if you have a pin hitter who can swing on out of system balls and bail the team out. I think these past few having your biggest bailout arm be your middle, made passing a premium and it was more obvious we were hurting because of situations where we couldn’t get Amber the ball. The middles will be role players next season but likely won’t be the focus, so having that arm in the pin that can score no matter what ALONG WITH improving passing, especially under the bright lights, is what can keep the trajectory for the program moving upwards. And we can want a “faster offense” all day long but when the passing isn’t there to run things fast, it’s going to be tough to live and die by that. Which is one reason why I was accepting, albeit begrudgingly, of how slow and high the offense started out. I think it’s important to have hitters who don’t need a lot of particulars in order to be effective scorers
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