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Post by avid 2.0 on Dec 9, 2022 10:11:41 GMT -5
This is the opposite position - that success in the BE is coach-dependent and Marquette has been good because "lightning has struck twice" with Bond and Theis. Creighton fans are very interested in the same question - Are Marquette and Creighton going to be able to sustain their success post-coach? - because KBB won't stay forever. Interestingly, you state that money isn't the issue, that you need "historical prestige" as well, without it you can get to the S16 for a while but bad cycles will end it. So, what does VT think? Are Marquette and Creighton one or two-hit coaching wonders, or are they going to lead the BE into power conference status? Will the BE be a power conference? no. But there's no reason they cant be the best mid-major conference. Butler and Xavier both have tons of local talent. DePaul is getting better... St Johns needs to stop being a mess. (lol) Will they be as successful without KBB? Probably not... but I think the school has shown its willingness to give resources and opportunities to the team... and that's a very good start in finding a good successor... There's plenty of good coaches... But do all of them have the resources to show for it? Not always. |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 9, 2022 10:14:52 GMT -5
If other schools would invest some more in their volleyball programs, I don't think it would take much for the Big East to become another power conference in volleyball the way they are in basketball. This is KBB's position also. She said a couple months ago that given the strong academic profile of BE schools and their location in urban centers, the BE is poised to break out as one of the top volleyball conferences. What it would take, according to KBB, is more investment in assistant coaching salaries, recruiting budget, and travel budget. As avid 2.0 pointed out, the east coast is more basketball-centric, which is why KBB has specifically stated that Xavier and Butler (the midwestern schools other than DePaul, which is already investing) could be the next two (in addition to Creighton and Marquette) to reach national status, if only they were willing to invest. See that’s the thing, as every year goes by, the harder I find it that Marquette will be able to keep Theis around. Marquette is an awesome program for what it is, but if a Big Ten school comes calling, you’d be crazy not to take it if you’re Theis. When Bond left for Iowa, I thought that was the end of Marquette volleyball, but here we are 10 years later and haven’t missed a tourney besides the COVID year. I don’t expect lightning to strike twice. Saw it happen with the womens soccer and mens lacrosse program. Womens soccer was a conference title contender (in the old big east) and a perennial s16 contender for awhile. Couple of bad cycles, haven’t been the same since. Its e why the basketball program will always survive, it has that historical prestige. It’s not a money issue, that athletic department is loaded. This is the opposite position - that success in the BE is coach-dependent and Marquette has been good because "lightning has struck twice" with Bond and Theis. Creighton fans are very interested in the same question - Are Marquette and Creighton going to be able to sustain their success post-coach? - because KBB won't stay forever. Interestingly, you state that money isn't the issue, that you need "historical prestige" as well, without it you can get to the S16 for a while but bad cycles will end it. So, what does VT think? Are Marquette and Creighton one or two-hit coaching wonders, or are they going to lead the BE into power conference status? Well, I’m of the strongest opinion success is always coach dependent, to the point I don’t even think it’s an opinion. It’s just a fact. It doesn’t matter how great the program is, the wrong coach can torpedo that success. Alternatively, the right coach can always lift a program to a different level. |
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Post by mwvball on Dec 12, 2022 9:52:36 GMT -5
Shaka and Texas were not good fits for each other. Texas needs the 5 star talents. Shaka needs the kids who will play within his system. His system doesn't cater to 5 star talents who want minutes and shots. Marquette's program is built on under the radar guys who outwork their recruiting rankings. Shaka was great at VCU and will be great at Marquette. He wasn't great at Texas. There's nothing fraudulent about him at all, though. He's as genuine as they come. You sweet summer child. Oops. Probably wish you had Shaka back right about now. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Dec 12, 2022 10:35:53 GMT -5
Oops. Probably wish you had Shaka back right about now. I knew this was coming |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 12, 2022 10:42:11 GMT -5
Oops. Probably wish you had Shaka back right about now. It’s amusing to me you think you know so much about Shaka Smart’s tenure at Texas and why he’s such a terrible coach after you’ve had him for a season and a 1/4th. Send me a DM after Marquette’s season concludes and I’ll do the same. I have no interest in reading this twaddle during the regular season. Smart had plenty of success during the season at Texas including beat downs of very good North Carolina and KU teams - one of the worst margins of defeat the Jayhawks ever experienced at Allen Fieldhouse. He also was the coach the only time Texas has ever won the Big 12 tournament since the Big 12 was founded for the 1997-98 season. I am so grateful Marquette took him off our hands without the need for a buyout or accusations of racism if he’d been fired. Bless you and your fellow fans for what you’re about to endure. That said, if the charges against Chris Beard have any merit whatsoever - and I would think they do - then he’ll be dismissed and Texas will have to look for someone else. But under no circumstance would I regret Smart’s departure. |
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Post by mwvball on Dec 12, 2022 11:21:04 GMT -5
Oops. Probably wish you had Shaka back right about now. It’s amusing to me you think you know so much about Shaka Smart’s tenure at Texas and why he’s such a terrible coach after you’ve had him for a season and a 1/4th. Send me a DM after Marquette’s season concludes and I’ll do the same. I have no interest in reading this twaddle during the regular season. Smart had plenty of success during the season at Texas including beat downs of very good North Carolina and KU teams - one of the worst margins of defeat the Jayhawks ever experienced at Allen Fieldhouse. He also was the coach the only time Texas has ever won the Big 12 tournament since the Big 12 was founded for the 1997-98 season. I am so grateful Marquette took him off our hands without the need for a buyout or accusations of racism if he’d been fired. Bless you and your fellow fans for what you’re about to endure. That said, if the charges against Chris Beard have any merit whatsoever - and I would think they do - then he’ll be dismissed and Texas will have to look for someone else. But under no circumstance would I regret Smart’s departure. I don't disagree about Texas not wanting Shaka as their coach. Like I said, him and Texas aren't a good fit. I'm not saying that as a knock on Texas, I think Texas as a whole is a better program than Marquette. But that doesn't mean that Shaka is a bad coach or can't have Marquette in a better place than whoever might fill Beard's spot has Texas. I think Shaka is going to do great at Marquette. I think Beard would've done great at Texas, but that isn't looking good now. I also think Shaka had some bad luck with a number of season ending injuries/illnesses to some of his better players. But I think it's fair to say that both Marquette and Texas fans are happy that Shaka and Texas moved apart. |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 12, 2022 11:29:13 GMT -5
It’s amusing to me you think you know so much about Shaka Smart’s tenure at Texas and why he’s such a terrible coach after you’ve had him for a season and a 1/4th. Send me a DM after Marquette’s season concludes and I’ll do the same. I have no interest in reading this twaddle during the regular season. Smart had plenty of success during the season at Texas including beat downs of very good North Carolina and KU teams - one of the worst margins of defeat the Jayhawks ever experienced at Allen Fieldhouse. He also was the coach the only time Texas has ever won the Big 12 tournament since the Big 12 was founded for the 1997-98 season. I am so grateful Marquette took him off our hands without the need for a buyout or accusations of racism if he’d been fired. Bless you and your fellow fans for what you’re about to endure. That said, if the charges against Chris Beard have any merit whatsoever - and I would think they do - then he’ll be dismissed and Texas will have to look for someone else. But under no circumstance would I regret Smart’s departure. I don't disagree about Texas not wanting Shaka as their coach. Like I said, him and Texas aren't a good fit. I'm not saying that as a knock on Texas, I think Texas as a whole is a better program than Marquette. But that doesn't mean that Shaka is a bad coach or can't have Marquette in a better place than whoever might fill Beard's spot has Texas. I think Shaka is going to do great at Marquette. I think Beard would've done great at Texas, but that isn't looking good now. I also think Shaka had some bad luck with a number of season ending injuries/illnesses to some of his better players. But I think it's fair to say that both Marquette and Texas fans are happy that Shaka and Texas moved apart. Seriously, keep this twaddle off the vollleyball board. Chris Beard is about to get fired for cause for choking a woman. Rightfully so. And you’re sitting here gleefully throwing “I told you so” posts at me on a subject you are ill equipped to conduct. Send me a DM after Marquette’s season is done, and I’ll do the same. |
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Post by mwvball on Dec 12, 2022 15:28:40 GMT -5
I don't disagree about Texas not wanting Shaka as their coach. Like I said, him and Texas aren't a good fit. I'm not saying that as a knock on Texas, I think Texas as a whole is a better program than Marquette. But that doesn't mean that Shaka is a bad coach or can't have Marquette in a better place than whoever might fill Beard's spot has Texas. I think Shaka is going to do great at Marquette. I think Beard would've done great at Texas, but that isn't looking good now. I also think Shaka had some bad luck with a number of season ending injuries/illnesses to some of his better players. But I think it's fair to say that both Marquette and Texas fans are happy that Shaka and Texas moved apart. Seriously, keep this twaddle off the vollleyball board. Chris Beard is about to get fired for cause for choking a woman. Rightfully so. And you’re sitting here gleefully throwing “I told you so” posts at me on a subject you are ill equipped to conduct. Send me a DM after Marquette’s season is done, and I’ll do the same. Sure. I'm not sure why we need to wait until after the season. He's coached a team to a Final Four. He took what was predicted to be the 9th place team in last year's preseason Big East poll and had then in the Tournament. So far this year he's taken what was predicted to be the 9th place team in the Big East again and has them looking like a top 3 team in the Big East. The guy can clearly coach. But sure let's look at this one season and DM each other after the season. I'm guessing you were thrilled to see Rick Barnes out as well. Texas has ran off their last 2 basketball coaches after each had coached in a Final Four. One is killing it at Tennessee, and so far the other is doing a very good job at Marquette. But yes, you're right. I'm really clogging up this thread that was a game thread for a game played 2 rounds ago, a thread that was 3 days dormant. Sorry for being off topic! |
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