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Post by tablealgebra on Jan 26, 2023 11:37:16 GMT -5
I guess it’s slightly speculative that an athletic 6’9” volleyball player who was the National Championship MVP could play pro (barring circumstances like… she quits volleyball or suffers an injury *knocks in wood*). On the other hand, it seems less speculative than about 95% of the posts on this forum. "I see Smrek's best international chances as a Stysiak-type opposite...which means she'd probably need a year or two to settle into back-row defending at the international level". That's not speculating if she "could play pro". It could be me, I just don't find these kinds of takes very compelling. Sorry. If you go back through the thread you'll see that I was responding to someone who said her only chance of playing internationally was at MB - their argument being that we were ruining Smrek's chances of playing internationally by playing her on the right. So stating my beliefs on her international chances was simply continuing that conversation and giving a counterpoint. Also, if you don't think a thread is relevant for whatever reason, and that thread is dying, best to let it die. Lots of good chatter on this page, which will drown out the boring topics quickly.
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Post by robtearle on Jan 26, 2023 13:16:01 GMT -5
What's everyone's thoughts on Temi Thomas-Ailara? Would she be a good fit with the 2023 roster? Who would be likely to lose playing time if she were to transfer to Wisconsin? Important disclaimer - I am NOT aware of any current rumors that TTA is coming to UW, just speculating and wanting to hear others' opinions... IIRC, I don't think TTA plays six rotations - at least not last year - so if she were to replace either Franklin or Orzol, she would either have to play six rotation (and what would that do to our serve-receive?) or her DS would chew up the last of out subs available given the 6-2 offense. Beyond that, she has a career .230 hitting percent, which is exactly what Franklin hit last year. Orzol does hit a lower percentage, but is important in serve-receive. TTA is a great player, but I don't see how she fits in the UW rotation for 2023.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2023 13:17:04 GMT -5
What's everyone's thoughts on Temi Thomas-Ailara? Would she be a good fit with the 2023 roster? Who would be likely to lose playing time if she were to transfer to Wisconsin? Important disclaimer - I am NOT aware of any current rumors that TTA is coming to UW, just speculating and wanting to hear others' opinions... IIRC, I don't think TTA plays six rotations - at least not last year - so if she were to replace either Franklin or Orzol, she would either have to play six rotation (and what would that do to our serve-receive?) or her DS would chew up the last of out subs available given the 6-2 offense. Beyond that, she has a career .230 hitting percent, which is exactly what Franklin hit last year. Orzol does hit a lower percentage, but is important in serve-receive. TTA is a great player, but I don't see how she fits in the UW rotation for 2023. She would replace, and upgrade, Franklin.
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Post by robtearle on Jan 26, 2023 13:34:19 GMT -5
IIRC, I don't think TTA plays six rotations - at least not last year - so if she were to replace either Franklin or Orzol, she would either have to play six rotation (and what would that do to our serve-receive?) or her DS would chew up the last of out subs available given the 6-2 offense. Beyond that, she has a career .230 hitting percent, which is exactly what Franklin hit last year. Orzol does hit a lower percentage, but is important in serve-receive. TTA is a great player, but I don't see how she fits in the UW rotation for 2023. She would replace, and upgrade, Franklin. ...and cost two subs per rotation to do so? Again, TTA didn't play six-rotation last year. She apparently did in 2021, and she had a .931 serve reception percent. Franklin this past year had a .955 serve-receive. So comparable hitting percents, and Franklin had a better serve-receive percent. (No, I don't have access to passing numbers.) But you're the coach...
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2023 13:57:17 GMT -5
She would replace, and upgrade, Franklin. ...and cost two subs per rotation to do so? Again, TTA didn't play six-rotation last year. She apparently did in 2021, and she had a .931 serve reception percent. Franklin this past year had a .955 serve-receive. So comparable hitting percents, and Franklin had a better serve-receive percent. (No, I don't have access to passing numbers.) But you're the coach... 3.5 kps, .230 (3.63, .208 in conference) vs 4.33 kps, .252 (4.63, .237 in conference) is NOT comparable, especially in context of supporting cast and usage rates. Like, seriously. If you're playing Franklin for her serve receive, you're doing it wrong. She was fortunate GG struggled so much, otherwise she really would have gotten worked.
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Post by robtearle on Jan 26, 2023 14:12:56 GMT -5
...and cost two subs per rotation to do so? Again, TTA didn't play six-rotation last year. She apparently did in 2021, and she had a .931 serve reception percent. Franklin this past year had a .955 serve-receive. So comparable hitting percents, and Franklin had a better serve-receive percent. (No, I don't have access to passing numbers.) But you're the coach... 3.5 kps, .230 (3.63, .208 in conference) vs 4.33 kps, .252 (4.63, .237 in conference) is NOT comparable, especially in context of supporting cast and usage rates. Like, seriously. If you're playing Franklin for her serve receive, you're doing it wrong. She was fortunate GG struggled so much, otherwise she really would have gotten worked. You're playing Franklin six rotation because in a 6-2 you have to play six rotation lefts. If you are going to "upgrade" Franklin with TTA, she going to have to play six rotation, and from what information we have available, she is not an upgrade in serve-receive. Someone else will have to provide passing numbers to see who's the upgrade there. And dismissing that with a simple "she will replace and upgrade Franklin" is rather insulting.
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Post by 25or624 on Jan 26, 2023 14:15:41 GMT -5
I don't have any volleyball smarts, so I can't weigh-in on TTA v. Sarah. That said, it does seem to be the case that Franklin is still a relatively young player with plenty of room to grow after a year with the Badgers.
I do wonder what Coach Sheffield et al have in store for Ella Wrobel, other than "just another 6'4" outside hitter with a heavy arm who can pop in once in a while to give Sarah a chance to shake off an in-game funk". Can anyone comment on her pre-college playing experience and speculate about the possibilities for giving her a bigger role in 2023? I keep thinking the coaching staff must have some kind of plan other than "you have to play better to get on the court".
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2023 14:21:19 GMT -5
3.5 kps, .230 (3.63, .208 in conference) vs 4.33 kps, .252 (4.63, .237 in conference) is NOT comparable, especially in context of supporting cast and usage rates. Like, seriously. If you're playing Franklin for her serve receive, you're doing it wrong. She was fortunate GG struggled so much, otherwise she really would have gotten worked. You're playing Franklin six rotation because in a 6-2 you have to play six rotation lefts. If you are going to "upgrade" Franklin with TTA, she going to have to play six rotation, and from what information we have available, she is not an upgrade in serve-receive. Someone else will have to provide passing numbers to see who's the upgrade there. And dismissing that with a simple "she will replace and upgrade Franklin" is rather insulting. You have 15 subs. You can play with a DS - in fact, wasn't Wisconsin already serving out Franklin to serve fairly regularly (and/or using Bramschreiber as a DS)?
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Post by robtearle on Jan 26, 2023 14:38:48 GMT -5
You're playing Franklin six rotation because in a 6-2 you have to play six rotation lefts. If you are going to "upgrade" Franklin with TTA, she going to have to play six rotation, and from what information we have available, she is not an upgrade in serve-receive. Someone else will have to provide passing numbers to see who's the upgrade there. And dismissing that with a simple "she will replace and upgrade Franklin" is rather insulting. You have 15 subs. You can play with a DS - in fact, wasn't Wisconsin already serving out Franklin to serve fairly regularly (and/or using Bramschreiber as a DS)? I would guess roughly half the time UW would use a serving sub, and certainly not always for Franklin. What they were fairly obviously doing would be this: Franklin was the fifth server in the normal rotation, so when her turn came around, Sheff and Gary, etal. would look at the score of the set and then decide on the fly if the set had "progressed" far enough to warrant "spending" the extra sub pair. If the set was tight, trading first ball side-outs, Franklin would stay in and serve; if there had been some points scored on serve and the point totals were higher, they would decide to spend the subs and bring n a serving sub. (Note that is was almost always a serving sub, and not a DS, because they would want Franklin back in for back row attacking. And we're back to the DS vs back row attack debate). How well TTA serves, and receives, and digs and attacks back row relative to Franklin are all open questions in my mind to be answered before one simply declare one or the other an "upgrade". Particularly in a 6-2, there's a lot more to playing left than just hitting percents.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2023 14:44:14 GMT -5
You have 15 subs. You can play with a DS - in fact, wasn't Wisconsin already serving out Franklin to serve fairly regularly (and/or using Bramschreiber as a DS)? I would guess roughly half the time UW would use a serving sub, and certainly not always for Franklin. What they were fairly obviously doing would be this: Franklin was the fifth server in the normal rotation, so when her turn came around, Sheff and Gary, etal. would look at the score of the set and then decide on the fly if the set had "progressed" far enough to warrant "spending" the extra sub pair. If the set was tight, trading first ball side-outs, Franklin would stay in and serve; if there had been some points scored on serve and the point totals were higher, they would decide to spend the subs and bring n a serving sub. (Note that is was almost always a serving sub, and not a DS, because they would want Franklin back in for back row attacking. And we're back to the DS vs back row attack debate). How well TTA serves, and receives, and digs and attacks back row relative to Franklin are all open questions in my mind to be answered before one simply declare one or the other an "upgrade". Particularly in a 6-2, there's a lot more to playing left than just hitting percents. You may carry an OH with lesser attacking skills for ball control (see: Orzol). You would not carry Franklin for her serve receive and defense, especially not for an attacker like TTA.
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Post by robtearle on Jan 26, 2023 14:51:33 GMT -5
I would guess roughly half the time UW would use a serving sub, and certainly not always for Franklin. What they were fairly obviously doing would be this: Franklin was the fifth server in the normal rotation, so when her turn came around, Sheff and Gary, etal. would look at the score of the set and then decide on the fly if the set had "progressed" far enough to warrant "spending" the extra sub pair. If the set was tight, trading first ball side-outs, Franklin would stay in and serve; if there had been some points scored on serve and the point totals were higher, they would decide to spend the subs and bring n a serving sub. (Note that is was almost always a serving sub, and not a DS, because they would want Franklin back in for back row attacking. And we're back to the DS vs back row attack debate). How well TTA serves, and receives, and digs and attacks back row relative to Franklin are all open questions in my mind to be answered before one simply declare one or the other an "upgrade". Particularly in a 6-2, there's a lot more to playing left than just hitting percents. You may carry an OH with lesser attacking skills for ball control (see: Orzol). You would not carry Franklin for her serve receive and defense, especially not for an attacker like TTA. If you say so, coach... (BTW. the "attacker" percents you posted are about a 0.03 difference, TTA vs Franklin. That is about 1 in 33. Over the course of a three set match where an attacker got 33 swings - to make the math easy - that's about a one kill more or one error fewer per match. Could there be some other aspect of play - serve-receive, digging, serving - where Franklin makes up that one point difference? I think that's an open question. But probably the question will just be dismissed out-of-hand, so why bother asking it...)
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2023 14:58:18 GMT -5
You may carry an OH with lesser attacking skills for ball control (see: Orzol). You would not carry Franklin for her serve receive and defense, especially not for an attacker like TTA. If you say so, coach... (BTW. the "attacker" percents you posted are about a 0.03 difference, TTA vs Franklin. That is about 1 in 33. Over the course of a three set match where an attacker got 33 swings - to make the math easy - that's about a one kill more or one error fewer per match. Could there be some other aspect of play - serve-receive, digging, serving - where Franklin makes up that one point difference? I think that's an open question. But probably the question will just be dismissed out-of-hand, so why bother asking it...) "Ok, coach," please do pretend that a 30 point efficiency differential, with more than a kill per set higher volume, on a weaker team, isn't significant. (Also, you're really gonna be in for a surprise when you try to apply this type of analysis to serve receive improvements).
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Post by robtearle on Jan 26, 2023 15:04:55 GMT -5
If you say so, coach... (BTW. the "attacker" percents you posted are about a 0.03 difference, TTA vs Franklin. That is about 1 in 33. Over the course of a three set match where an attacker got 33 swings - to make the math easy - that's about a one kill more or one error fewer per match. Could there be some other aspect of play - serve-receive, digging, serving - where Franklin makes up that one point difference? I think that's an open question. But probably the question will just be dismissed out-of-hand, so why bother asking it...) "Ok, coach," please do pretend that a 30 point efficiency differential, with more than a kill per set higher volume, on a weaker team, isn't significant. (Also, you're really gonna be in for a surprise when you try to apply this type of analysis to serve receive improvements). I didn't say it was not significant; I asked - and still do ask - whether it might be offset in some other aspect of play. It is as significant as the numbers say it is, no more and no less. "30 point differential" works out to about one kill more or one error fewer per 33 swings.
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 26, 2023 15:19:17 GMT -5
if tta goes to wisco I hope wrobel or orzol go into the portal. either Franklin or ozol will go to the bench, and I have a feeling it'll be orzol. and wrobel would become 4th option at OH
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Post by tablealgebra on Jan 26, 2023 19:07:40 GMT -5
You may carry an OH with lesser attacking skills for ball control (see: Orzol). You would not carry Franklin for her serve receive and defense, especially not for an attacker like TTA. If you say so, coach... (BTW. the "attacker" percents you posted are about a 0.03 difference, TTA vs Franklin. That is about 1 in 33. Over the course of a three set match where an attacker got 33 swings - to make the math easy - that's about a one kill more or one error fewer per match. Could there be some other aspect of play - serve-receive, digging, serving - where Franklin makes up that one point difference? I think that's an open question. But probably the question will just be dismissed out-of-hand, so why bother asking it...) If we were to pick up TTA it would be as a 6 rotation outside. She played 6 rotations for at least her junior year and last year she was playing a lot of 6 rotations by the end of the year. And I thought she looked fairly good - not a liability at all on SR, a decently agile middle-back defender for an OH thumper, and a threat on the pipe. Add her heavy arm in the front row, and I would want that. I don't care (much) about her stats last year, TTA played through an unstable setting situation and with only one other high-level hitter on the team. If stats told the whole story about hitting, Bergmann would have been the highest percentage hitter in the country last year instead of at .252. So I feel the statistical analysis is not valid enough to strengthen any arguments.
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