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Post by ndodge on Feb 3, 2023 22:48:42 GMT -5
Do other stacked teams have random hovering on their threads, begging their players to transfer? Or is Wisconsin the only one not allowed a bench? Sorry Rainbowbadger, but your coaching staff sold its soul. Non-specific posts are great, especially a few posts down from one that has reasonable reasons for the two heavenly acquisitions
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Post by 25or624 on Feb 3, 2023 23:02:07 GMT -5
" Sorry Rainbowbadger, but your coaching staff sold its soul." Let's put petulant hyperbole aside and review the facts.
A D1 volleyball player enters the NCAA Transfer Portal. Pursuant to NCAA rules, any qualifying coach is then allowed to contact the player, who is essentially soliciting offers from new teams. The player then considers her offers and chooses a new school. That is purely transactional, i.e. no souls were harmed as the process played out and a deal was reached. It's all very straightforward and regulated by the NCAA.
Now I get to make an assumption, just as you did. You have a favorite team and your team wasn't able to attract TTA or Carter Booth. Sorry about that, but each of the players had total control over their choice of a final transfer destination. We can safely assume Wisconsin is where they want to be. A deal with the devil wasn't required because the players found what they were looking for, simple as that.
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Post by beboprocksteady on Feb 3, 2023 23:17:21 GMT -5
Do other stacked teams have random hovering on their threads, begging their players to transfer? Or is Wisconsin the only one not allowed a bench? this is a rite of passage. welcome. I agree with this. It’s a sign of respect for a top program. Having watched the chemistry develop when I thought last year was going to be brutal, I have even more respect for Kelly, his staff and this team. The players seemed happy to have Carter and Temi. I’m happy we have Carter and Temi. I hope Julie and Ella still get the playing time they want. I hope they win another championship this year. But even if either had a slight reduction in time this year or didn’t see as much as she hoped for, both have to see the huge advantage of playing with this team and being top options next year and, in Ella’s case, the year after. Why give up great training, great coaching, great opportunity just so you can start over or hope you guessed right? I understand why Liz felt a need to leave and I even understand why Jade felt a need to leave—neither Julia nor Ella have the same limits.
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Post by jwvolley on Feb 3, 2023 23:27:08 GMT -5
this is a rite of passage. welcome. I agree with this. It’s a sign of respect for a top program. Having watched the chemistry develop when I thought last year was going to be brutal, I have even more respect for Kelly, his staff and this team. The players seemed happy to have Carter and Temi. I’m happy we have Carter and Temi. I hope Julie and Ella still get the playing time they want. I hope they win another championship this year. But even if either had a slight reduction in time this year or didn’t see as much as she hoped for, both have to see the huge advantage of playing with this team and being top options next year and, in Ella’s case, the year after. Why give up great training, great coaching, great opportunity just so you can start over or hope you guessed right? I understand why Liz felt a need to leave and I even understand why Jade felt a need to leave—neither Julia nor Ella have the same limits. I mean, that's just not realistic. You can't start everyone/keep everyone happy. As for Wrobel, idk why she would necessarily feel like she has a position locked down for a future year when the portal exists and coaches (Sheffield included) are obviously showing they will use it if they have the ability. Yes, TTA leaves after this one season but there will surely be another great *proven* pin in the portal next offseason and the reality is if that player wants in, Ella's "potential" isn't going to keep her above that player on the depth chart. This isn't a Wisconsin-exclusive issue, just how things are now.
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 4, 2023 0:39:30 GMT -5
I agree with this. It’s a sign of respect for a top program. Having watched the chemistry develop when I thought last year was going to be brutal, I have even more respect for Kelly, his staff and this team. The players seemed happy to have Carter and Temi. I’m happy we have Carter and Temi. I hope Julie and Ella still get the playing time they want. I hope they win another championship this year. But even if either had a slight reduction in time this year or didn’t see as much as she hoped for, both have to see the huge advantage of playing with this team and being top options next year and, in Ella’s case, the year after. Why give up great training, great coaching, great opportunity just so you can start over or hope you guessed right? I understand why Liz felt a need to leave and I even understand why Jade felt a need to leave—neither Julia nor Ella have the same limits. I mean, that's just not realistic. You can't start everyone/keep everyone happy. As for Wrobel, idk why she would necessarily feel like she has a position locked down for a future year when the portal exists and coaches (Sheffield included) are obviously showing they will use it if they have the ability. Yes, TTA leaves after this one season but there will surely be another great *proven* pin in the portal next offseason and the reality is if that player wants in, Ella's "potential" isn't going to keep her above that player on the depth chart. This isn't a Wisconsin-exclusive issue, just how things are now. I think the portal is going to slow down. There has been a lot of disruption the last few years that’s still working itself out. I still don’t see how they play without orzol. TTA may want to learn to pass, but she is not going to make passing better, and that was the big problem last year.
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Feb 4, 2023 0:48:11 GMT -5
Sorry Rainbowbadger, but your coaching staff sold its soul. We’ll have the best v-ball team in Hell then. 🔥 Makes it easier to light a fire under certain players.
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Post by vbdiva on Feb 4, 2023 2:00:24 GMT -5
For 2 years I been saying Orzol at libero... wait and see..... She's the perfect Libero for this team.
Ham/Ash - QB's Booth/Shrek - MB Robinson/ Wrobel - RS TA/Franklin - OH Orzol - Libero Gooch - DS
Utility: Crawford (7th Woman)
Off the bench for defense/serve specialist: Damrow, Boyer and Reed.
Captains: TA/Orzol/Robinson
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Post by badgerguru on Feb 4, 2023 2:04:46 GMT -5
I really don’t see Orzol hitting the portal in the next portal season, but Wrobel I am a little more afraid of her choosing to leave. I really do think that Wrobel would have a spot her junior year & she’s at an extremely elite program, so she must be aware that she might not play until then. Just my thoughts
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 4, 2023 10:06:47 GMT -5
People say someone is not going to play, then a central player gets hurt and everything changes.
There will be injuries. We were lucky with Crawford last year. Hart was hurt the year before. Haggerty. Duello. Tionna, Loberg and Orzol in 2021 were hampered by hairline fractures. Heck, Franklin was out most of 2021 with a broken hand with MSU.
Depth is a good thing.People who predict the future are not remembering the past.
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Post by tablealgebra on Feb 4, 2023 14:20:39 GMT -5
I really don’t see Orzol hitting the portal in the next portal season, but Wrobel I am a little more afraid of her choosing to leave. I really do think that Wrobel would have a spot her junior year & she’s at an extremely elite program, so she must be aware that she might not play until then. Just my thoughts Wrobel is not the possession of UW volleyball. If she chooses to leave for a situation that is better for her than good for her. But I don't feel like there's more data telling her she has to leave now than there was in December - TTA is a one year pickup. As opposed to Jardine who left after the additional data point of Franklin being in front of her with 3 years remaining.
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Post by savannahbadger on Feb 4, 2023 15:43:12 GMT -5
As opposed to Jardine who left after the additional data point of Franklin being in front of her with 3 years remaining. I might be arguing for the sake of arguing here, but it’s not like Jardine went somewhere purely for playing time. She went back closer to home.
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Post by badgerguru on Feb 4, 2023 16:32:01 GMT -5
I really don’t see Orzol hitting the portal in the next portal season, but Wrobel I am a little more afraid of her choosing to leave. I really do think that Wrobel would have a spot her junior year & she’s at an extremely elite program, so she must be aware that she might not play until then. Just my thoughts Wrobel is not the possession of UW volleyball. If she chooses to leave for a situation that is better for her than good for her. But I don't feel like there's more data telling her she has to leave now than there was in December - TTA is a one year pickup. As opposed to Jardine who left after the additional data point of Franklin being in front of her with 3 years remaining. I never said that Wrobel was the possession of UW & also never said that I wouldn’t be happy for Wrobel if she chose to move on to another program. But yeah, I’d rather that not happen.
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Post by SportyBucky on Feb 4, 2023 16:57:11 GMT -5
As opposed to Jardine who left after the additional data point of Franklin being in front of her with 3 years remaining. I might be arguing for the sake of arguing here, but it’s not like Jardine went somewhere purely for playing time. She went back closer to home. She absolutely went for playing time. 🙄
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Post by robocop21 on Feb 4, 2023 17:05:32 GMT -5
There’s a lot of top programs that could use Wrobels arm. I like seeing athletes stick to their commitment but a lot has changed at Wisconsin since Wrobel originally committed.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Feb 4, 2023 17:47:31 GMT -5
I like seeing athletes stick to their commitment... To me, the flipside of that argument is, it would be great to see a school stick to their commitment to develop an athlete instead of going to the transfer portal looking for someone better.
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