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Post by naujack85 on Dec 16, 2022 23:20:03 GMT -5
Interesting to note that both teams starting setter is a transfer from the Pac-12. Saige from Utah and Raquel from USC Might be the first time in championship match history that neither team has a setter who the voters deemed better than All-American Honorable Mention . . . Maybe 2011 - UCLA vs Ill? |
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Post by widdledumpling on Dec 16, 2022 23:26:35 GMT -5
Wow, some of these Texas fans are something else. I think my personal favorite was the one who was decrying logical fallacies as they attacked straw men. I didn't think it would be necessarily, since what I said was perfectly clear, but just to get a few things on record (i.e. debunking the straw men): 1. I don't think Jerritt Elliott is a bad coach, much less a terrible one 2. I don't think he's a loser 3. I don't hate him I never said any of that, yet these were the straw men that were beaten into the ground. The only thing I said was that I think DBK is a better coach, and I stand by that. Oh, and that I think given the talent he's had, one national championship is a bit of an underperformance. I stand by that too. Elliott is one of the best recruiters in the country, perhaps the best. And in sports, a big talent gap is often enough to win even if the less talented team is better coached. This is true in the regular season and in the earlier rounds of the tournament. But as you get deeper into the tournament, that talent gap often shrinks or disappears (or even favors the other team). When that happens, differences in coaching ability get magnified. This is why better coached but less talented teams can often beat more talented teams if the gap in talent isn't too big to overcome. This really isn't a hard concept. I expect Texas to win tomorrow because they're more talented. But if they don't, it will probably be due to DBK's superior coaching. meh I was mostly responding to your assertion that Texas fans’ being proud of a record number of final fours was the reason Texas hadn’t won more natties The rest was directed towards the narrative I’ve read like 1000x from other posters. Don’t know your stance on it Dbk seems like a great coach. I just hope tomorrow isn’t her day Edit: specifically, your quote was “and that attitude is the reason Texas hasn’t won more championships.” Or similar |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 16, 2022 23:27:51 GMT -5
Wow, some of these Texas fans are something else. I think my personal favorite was the one who was decrying logical fallacies as they attacked straw men. I didn't think it would be necessarily, since what I said was perfectly clear, but just to get a few things on record (i.e. debunking the straw men): 1. I don't think Jerritt Elliott is a bad coach, much less a terrible one 2. I don't think he's a loser 3. I don't hate him I never said any of that, yet these were the straw men that were beaten into the ground. The only thing I said was that I think DBK is a better coach, and I stand by that. Oh, and that I think given the talent he's had, one national championship is a bit of an underperformance. I stand by that too. Elliott is one of the best recruiters in the country, perhaps the best. And in sports, a big talent gap is often enough to win even if the less talented team is better coached. This is true in the regular season and in the earlier rounds of the tournament. But as you get deeper into the tournament, that talent gap often shrinks or disappears (or even favors the other team). When that happens, differences in coaching ability get magnified. This is why better coached but less talented teams can often beat more talented teams if the gap in talent isn't too big to overcome. This really isn't a hard concept. I expect Texas to win tomorrow because they're more talented. But if they don't, it will probably be due to DBK's superior coaching. meh I was mostly responding to your assertion that Texas fans’ being proud of a record number of final fours was the reason Texas hadn’t won more natties The rest was directed towards the narrative I’ve read like 1000x from other posters. Don’t know your stance on it Dbk seems like a great coach. I just hope tomorrow isn’t her day If I was unclear, I apologize. I posted that on my phone. What I meant is that Texas has often relied too much on its talent to win in my opinion. As I recall, I was responding to someone who posted something that was obviously sarcastic but still felt the need to put "sarcasm font" tags on. Because the poster was being sarcastic, I responded a bit more flippantly that I ordinarily would because I was mocking their sarcasm. The DBK post was more serious. |
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Post by ilikecorn on Dec 16, 2022 23:34:06 GMT -5
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Post by ilikecorn on Dec 16, 2022 23:35:05 GMT -5
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Post by diggerdive on Dec 17, 2022 0:41:13 GMT -5
meh I was mostly responding to your assertion that Texas fans’ being proud of a record number of final fours was the reason Texas hadn’t won more natties The rest was directed towards the narrative I’ve read like 1000x from other posters. Don’t know your stance on it Dbk seems like a great coach. I just hope tomorrow isn’t her day If I was unclear, I apologize. I posted that on my phone. What I meant is that Texas has often relied too much on its talent to win in my opinion. As I recall, I was responding to someone who posted something that was obviously sarcastic but still felt the need to put "sarcasm font" tags on. Because the poster was being sarcastic, I responded a bit more flippantly that I ordinarily would because I was mocking their sarcasm. The DBK post was more serious. “What I meant is that Texas has often relied too much on its talent to win in my opinion.” 😆 😝 😂 …I can’t even. Is, is that, your criticism? It’s okay. You win. Uncle. 😆 😝 |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 17, 2022 0:48:16 GMT -5
If I was unclear, I apologize. I posted that on my phone. What I meant is that Texas has often relied too much on its talent to win in my opinion. As I recall, I was responding to someone who posted something that was obviously sarcastic but still felt the need to put "sarcasm font" tags on. Because the poster was being sarcastic, I responded a bit more flippantly that I ordinarily would because I was mocking their sarcasm. The DBK post was more serious. “What I meant is that Texas has often relied too much on its talent to win in my opinion.” 😆 😝 😂 …I can’t even. Is, is that, your criticism? It’s okay. You win. Uncle. 😆 😝 Did I stutter? Texas is among the most talented teams in the country every year but only has one title. Again, not a hard concept. Yes, they rely too much on the fact that they're more talented, which leads to them losing in the tournament to better coached teams most years. You're way too defensive about this. |
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Post by diggerdive on Dec 17, 2022 1:01:42 GMT -5
“What I meant is that Texas has often relied too much on its talent to win in my opinion.” 😆 😝 😂 …I can’t even. Is, is that, your criticism? It’s okay. You win. Uncle. 😆 😝 Did I stutter? Texas is among the most talented teams in the country every year but only has one title. Again, not a hard concept. Yes, they rely too much on the fact that they're more talented, which leads to them losing in the tournament to better coached teams most years. You're way too defensive about this. Shhh shhh shhh. There there. Yes. I know defensive. It’s okay. JEL fell uphill and DBK is a much better coach. You’ve clearly backed up your thesis with a detailed justification. You didn’t just repeat some weak tired overused shallow observation. You’ve convinced me. Well done. |
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Post by hookem1 on Dec 17, 2022 1:05:57 GMT -5
So excited for Texas on making it to the championship game this year despite not having a coach who can coach or develop his players! Good thing we can recruit players and they just win automatically since they're ranked highly on a website
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 17, 2022 1:09:29 GMT -5
So excited for Texas on making it to the championship game this year despite not having a coach who can coach or develop his players! Good thing we can recruit players and they just win automatically since they're ranked highly on a website Lol, no one is saying that. Some of us think there are other coaches who are better in those areas. If I said that DBK doesn't recruit as well as Elliott does, would that mean that I am saying that she can't recruit at all? Of course not. And the same applies here. He can coach and develop. Others do it better. |
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Post by diggerdive on Dec 17, 2022 1:20:40 GMT -5
So excited for Texas on making it to the championship game this year despite not having a coach who can coach or develop his players! Good thing we can recruit players and they just win automatically since they're ranked highly on a website Lol, no one is saying that. Some of us think there are other coaches who are better in those areas. If I said that DBK doesn't recruit as well as Elliott does, would that mean that I am saying that she can't recruit at all? Of course not. And the same applies here. He can coach and develop. Others do it better. Well, go away and develop an operational definition of what you’re measuring precisely; show the matrix and show the data. Is your hypothesis based on how coaches develop 16th rated recruits and go to the NCAA championship, or is is taking the elite players in the country and making it multiple times to the semis and then those elite athletes go on to have successful professional and Olympic careers? I think if you widen your lens a bit you’ll discover it’s not just championships. Or, just go away. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 17, 2022 2:09:16 GMT -5
So excited for Texas on making it to the championship game this year despite not having a coach who can coach or develop his players! Good thing we can recruit players and they just win automatically since they're ranked highly on a website Lol, no one is saying that. Some of us think there are other coaches who are better in those areas. If I said that DBK doesn't recruit as well as Elliott does, would that mean that I am saying that she can't recruit at all? Of course not. And the same applies here. He can coach and develop. Others do it better. there's nothing wrong with being a better recruiter than a coach. it happens all over the ncaa in all sports. Texas A&M football and kentucky basketball are huge examples. they both usually lose more games than they should on paper, same could be said for texas vb *usually*. its one of the variables of coaching, texas wins A LOT and is consistently in the short group convo of favorites to win each year. Elliot is a fantastic recruiter and does an incredible job managing and marketing one of the best programs in the ncaa, is he an outstanding volleyball coach? I wouldn't put him in the top 10 in terms of what he creates with what he has but he's not some slouch |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 17, 2022 2:13:53 GMT -5
Lol, no one is saying that. Some of us think there are other coaches who are better in those areas. If I said that DBK doesn't recruit as well as Elliott does, would that mean that I am saying that she can't recruit at all? Of course not. And the same applies here. He can coach and develop. Others do it better. there's nothing wrong with being a better recruiter than a coach. it happens all over the ncaa in all sports. Texas A&M football and kentucky basketball are huge examples. they both usually lose more games than they should on paper, same could be said for texas vb *usually*. its one of the variables of coaching, texas wins A LOT and is consistently in the short group convo of favorites to win each year. Elliot is a fantastic recruiter and does an incredible job managing and marketing one of the best programs in the ncaa, is he an outstanding volleyball coach? I wouldn't put him in the top 10 in terms of what he creates with what he has but he's not some slouch Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. I think Elliott is an amazing recruiter and a solid coach. Definitely not the best but far from the worst. |
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Post by hookem1 on Dec 17, 2022 2:34:26 GMT -5
So excited for Texas on making it to the championship game this year despite not having a coach who can coach or develop his players! Good thing we can recruit players and they just win automatically since they're ranked highly on a website Lol, no one is saying that. Some of us think there are other coaches who are better in those areas. If I said that DBK doesn't recruit as well as Elliott does, would that mean that I am saying that she can't recruit at all? Of course not. And the same applies here. He can coach and develop. Others do it better. If you think "no one" is saying that you should pay closer attention lmao. Definitely not a universal opinion but it does get said and alluded to quite a bit. |
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Post by joetrinsey on Dec 17, 2022 8:25:11 GMT -5
My semifinal breakdown and finals preview: smartervolley.substack.com/p/and-then-there-were-2About half is behind the paywall, but if you message me, I'll do a 7-day free unlock for any VT people who just want to read this article. But it would be cool if anybody wanted to become premium subscribers too.  |
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