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Post by ajm on Dec 26, 2022 22:41:25 GMT -5
I think Benesh & Partain are the USA men's beach team of the future. same By "future" do you mean 2023-2024 or 2025-2028?
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Post by blackmambabeto on Dec 26, 2022 23:57:43 GMT -5
By "future" do you mean 2023-2024 or 2025-2028? Idk Not sure when they can play so just whenever they do cuz of UCLA MVB
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Post by ShaneM2005 on Dec 27, 2022 7:38:54 GMT -5
By "future" do you mean 2023-2024 or 2025-2028? Definitely 2025-2028. 2023-2024 if Partain commits to playing more.
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Post by ajm on Dec 27, 2022 10:47:05 GMT -5
By "future" do you mean 2023-2024 or 2025-2028? Definitely 2025-2028. 2023-2024 if Partain commits to playing more. By 2025 he could be playing indoors overseas making three times what he could make on the beach. I guess there’s always Brisbane 2032!
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Post by guest2 on Dec 27, 2022 15:38:10 GMT -5
I was really hoping Tri would break free and try something new. Trevor is great at what he does, but a change was needed for sure. Good timing I say— they’ll hopefully have that “new team energy” sustain them to Paris. I was hoping Tri would give Partain a call, but logistically it doesn’t make sense. Partain isn’t fully committed. Tri had to make a change since T2 had a long run without accomplishing anything, but its disappointing he had so little imagination. Chaim is basically the same player as Trevor. Neither is a good defender (I'd maybe even put Trevor as marginally better). Both are solid but not elite sideout players. (Maybe Chaim is a little better, especially given that he goes from hitting Theo's sets to Tri's). What other real differences are there? Chaim is more experienced, but thats a marginal difference, both are weak servers and Trevor is a much better setter. Compared to T2 (the times when Tri did all the blocking) this team is: Not better at blocking Not better at defense Not better at serving Worse at setting A little better at siding out How does that take Tri from a non-contender into regular contention? Theo, Partain, either Taylor, even Budinger or maybe Field would have given him more upside, but he opted to get more regular 5th place finishes. Basically he made the optimal decision to finish 13th at the Paris Olympics. Can't wait to see it!
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Post by haze on Dec 27, 2022 15:46:16 GMT -5
I was really hoping Tri would break free and try something new. Trevor is great at what he does, but a change was needed for sure. Good timing I say— they’ll hopefully have that “new team energy” sustain them to Paris. I was hoping Tri would give Partain a call, but logistically it doesn’t make sense. Partain isn’t fully committed. Tri had to make a change since T2 had a long run without accomplishing anything, but its disappointing he had so little imagination. Chaim is basically the same player as Trevor. Neither is a good defender (I'd maybe even put Trevor as marginally better). Both are solid but not elite sideout players. (Maybe Chaim is a little better, especially given that he goes from hitting Theo's sets to Tri's). What other real differences are there? Chaim is more experienced, but thats a marginal difference, both are weak servers and Trevor is a much better setter. Compared to T2 (the times when Tri did all the blocking) this team is: Not better at blocking Not better at defense Not better at serving Worse at setting A little better at siding out How does that take Tri from a non-contender into regular contention? Theo, Partain, either Taylor, even Budinger or maybe Field would have given him more upside, but he opted to get more regular 5th place finishes. Basically he made the optimal decision to finish 13th at the Paris Olympics. Can't wait to see it! Taking those sample intangibles, he really didnt have options. Any team where tri plays defense, they arenwore at defense, worse at settimg, worse at blocking(except theo) amd a mixed bag of others. Is theo a better sideout player than Trevor? Im not so sure. I am glad a change was made. It at least gives a better depth of competivitenss among the top teams Internationally, especially if this means crabb and sander bteak up and sander moves tk defense.
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Post by mrknuckle on Dec 27, 2022 16:02:05 GMT -5
We have seen Phil-Crabb. Now we demand Phil-Sander. We want to see detonations!
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Post by ajm on Dec 27, 2022 16:06:21 GMT -5
I was really hoping Tri would break free and try something new. Trevor is great at what he does, but a change was needed for sure. Good timing I say— they’ll hopefully have that “new team energy” sustain them to Paris. I was hoping Tri would give Partain a call, but logistically it doesn’t make sense. Partain isn’t fully committed. Tri had to make a change since T2 had a long run without accomplishing anything, but its disappointing he had so little imagination. Chaim is basically the same player as Trevor. Neither is a good defender (I'd maybe even put Trevor as marginally better). Both are solid but not elite sideout players. (Maybe Chaim is a little better, especially given that he goes from hitting Theo's sets to Tri's). What other real differences are there? Chaim is more experienced, but thats a marginal difference, both are weak servers and Trevor is a much better setter. Compared to T2 (the times when Tri did all the blocking) this team is: Not better at blocking Not better at defense Not better at serving Worse at setting A little better at siding out How does that take Tri from a non-contender into regular contention? Theo, Partain, either Taylor, even Budinger or maybe Field would have given him more upside, but he opted to get more regular 5th place finishes. Basically he made the optimal decision to finish 13th at the Paris Olympics. Can't wait to see it! I’d push back a little bit because I think Chaim is a better defender than Trevor and also better in transition. But it doesn’t really matter because for Tri, the only player he was getting into Elite 16 events with is Chaim. And that’s pretty much Tri’s fault for skipping most of the 2022 FIVB season and allowing his points to drop so far. With any other of those possible partners you mentioned (including Trevor) he’d basically be sitting out half the 2023 Elite season hoping to move up by playing Challenge events, and by that time he’d be too far behind in the Olympics points race to have a good shot at Paris. I’d still say it’s 50/50 at best whether he and Chaim make it, but with any other partner it would’ve been much lower. Such is the state of the US men’s teams right now. The rest of the world is just much better.
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Post by blackmambabeto on Dec 27, 2022 16:47:50 GMT -5
I was really hoping Tri would break free and try something new. Trevor is great at what he does, but a change was needed for sure. Good timing I say— they’ll hopefully have that “new team energy” sustain them to Paris. I was hoping Tri would give Partain a call, but logistically it doesn’t make sense. Partain isn’t fully committed. Tri had to make a change since T2 had a long run without accomplishing anything, but its disappointing he had so little imagination. Chaim is basically the same player as Trevor. Neither is a good defender (I'd maybe even put Trevor as marginally better). Both are solid but not elite sideout players. (Maybe Chaim is a little better, especially given that he goes from hitting Theo's sets to Tri's). What other real differences are there? Chaim is more experienced, but thats a marginal difference, both are weak servers and Trevor is a much better setter. Compared to T2 (the times when Tri did all the blocking) this team is: Not better at blocking Not better at defense Not better at serving Worse at setting A little better at siding out How does that take Tri from a non-contender into regular contention? Theo, Partain, either Taylor, even Budinger or maybe Field would have given him more upside, but he opted to get more regular 5th place finishes. Basically he made the optimal decision to finish 13th at the Paris Olympics. Can't wait to see it! 🤣 agree with most points
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Post by wang pu on Dec 27, 2022 17:10:08 GMT -5
Tri had to make a change since T2 had a long run without accomplishing anything, but its disappointing he had so little imagination. Chaim is basically the same player as Trevor. Neither is a good defender (I'd maybe even put Trevor as marginally better). Both are solid but not elite sideout players. (Maybe Chaim is a little better, especially given that he goes from hitting Theo's sets to Tri's). What other real differences are there? Chaim is more experienced, but thats a marginal difference, both are weak servers and Trevor is a much better setter. Compared to T2 (the times when Tri did all the blocking) this team is: Not better at blocking Not better at defense Not better at serving Worse at setting A little better at siding out How does that take Tri from a non-contender into regular contention? Theo, Partain, either Taylor, even Budinger or maybe Field would have given him more upside, but he opted to get more regular 5th place finishes. Basically he made the optimal decision to finish 13th at the Paris Olympics. Can't wait to see it! I’d push back a little bit because I think Chaim is a better defender than Trevor and also better in transition. But it doesn’t really matter because for Tri, the only player he was getting into Elite 16 events with is Chaim. And that’s pretty much Tri’s fault for skipping most of the 2022 FIVB season and allowing his points to drop so far. With any other of those possible partners you mentioned (including Trevor) he’d basically be sitting out half the 2023 Elite season hoping to move up by playing Challenge events, and by that time he’d be too far behind in the Olympics points race to have a good shot at Paris. I’d still say it’s 50/50 at best whether he and Chaim make it, but with any other partner it would’ve been much lower. Such is the state of the US men’s teams right now. The rest of the world is just much better. Is the world much better or did the US Men just suck at playing the points game (and actually playing tournaments in 2022)?
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Post by tamz on Dec 27, 2022 18:07:52 GMT -5
We have seen Phil-Crabb. Now we demand Phil-Sander. We want to see detonations! If playing with Phil, will Sander make more errors or did Nick make more errors?
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Post by guest2 on Dec 27, 2022 19:27:03 GMT -5
Tri had to make a change since T2 had a long run without accomplishing anything, but its disappointing he had so little imagination. Chaim is basically the same player as Trevor. Neither is a good defender (I'd maybe even put Trevor as marginally better). Both are solid but not elite sideout players. (Maybe Chaim is a little better, especially given that he goes from hitting Theo's sets to Tri's). What other real differences are there? Chaim is more experienced, but thats a marginal difference, both are weak servers and Trevor is a much better setter. Compared to T2 (the times when Tri did all the blocking) this team is: Not better at blocking Not better at defense Not better at serving Worse at setting A little better at siding out How does that take Tri from a non-contender into regular contention? Theo, Partain, either Taylor, even Budinger or maybe Field would have given him more upside, but he opted to get more regular 5th place finishes. Basically he made the optimal decision to finish 13th at the Paris Olympics. Can't wait to see it! Taking those sample intangibles, he really didnt have options. Any team where tri plays defense, they arenwore at defense, worse at settimg, worse at blocking(except theo) amd a mixed bag of others. Is theo a better sideout player than Trevor? Im not so sure. I am glad a change was made. It at least gives a better depth of competivitenss among the top teams Internationally, especially if this means crabb and sander bteak up and sander moves tk defense. In terms of alternate pairings, I would have preferred Tri/Theo, Tri/Sander, or Tri/Partain in that order. I think what you wrote discounts to some extent the comparative value of blocking versus defense. In the men's game, blocking is by far the most important element of point scoring, and Theo is a top blocker. Theo/Tri would be a strong point scoring team, whereas Tri/Chaim strike me as awful in that regard. And Tri has room to grow on D and may be better transitioning now, whereas Chaim is a finished product. (Id suggest Theo and Chaim are more or less equal sideout players) As for Sander and Partain, I think within a year, there would not be a single thing that Tri/Chaim would do better. Right now, Chaim is, maybe, a better FIVB sideout player than Partain (I doubt it but maybe) and a better FIVB defender than Sander. But both of those guys have easy paths to improvement in those areas. And its easier to see either of those teams (Tri/Miles or Tri/Sander) becoming the elite sideout team a Tri Bourne as a blocker team must be to compete with the best FIVB competition. Tri/Chaim likely qualify fairly easily as a top 16 team and probably grab a bronze medal or maybe even a silver at some point along the way, but that seems like the best case scenario to me.
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Post by larabeach on Dec 28, 2022 4:36:34 GMT -5
Maybe Chairm is the best at figuring points out? Thats a skill Tri reportedly needs in a partner.
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Post by swift on Dec 29, 2022 3:31:31 GMT -5
I don't think Tri and Chaim will be a much better team than Tri & Trevor and therefore I don't see them being very successful on the FIVB tour. But at least Chaim's points will help them.
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Post by donnyb on Dec 29, 2022 7:25:06 GMT -5
Yeah not a huge upgrade for Tri but I think a upgrade. Better points, chaim sides out a touch better and plays a tough better defense. Very slightly on the defense but I think better on siding out for sure. Trever has times where he’s shootings it around and it’s just not working.
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