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Post by burnabyjo on Mar 6, 2024 17:00:07 GMT -5
Tri's switch to Chaim has to be one of the worst cases of misjudging talent in a partnership switch. It's pretty common for players to take a step back in quality of partner if they split up because of personality conflicts (April and Kerri, Cheng and Sponcil being two recent examples), but Tri and Trevor are still great friends so Tri seems to have genuinely thought that the partnership with Chaim would be an on-court improvement. Except Chaim is not very good (by international standards), and the partnership is clearly not working on court in any way. Is anyone else starting to think Miles Evans is actually better than Chaim right now? Chaim is still a better hitter, but Miles is much better at both defense and setting. Do you think Chaim would be an Olympic contender if he hadn’t changed federations? Hard to say without knowing who he would've played with.
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Post by LongSpatch on Mar 6, 2024 17:02:49 GMT -5
REALITY: Trevor Crabb is better than Chaim at just about every important skill. Theo Brunner is a better pure blocker than Tri. Trevor also has a history of significantly elevating his partners play whoever he plays with. Started with Ty Tramblie, then partnered up with his little bro, then revived Rosie.... many more examples of this these are just a few
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Post by ajm on Mar 6, 2024 18:49:16 GMT -5
Do you think Chaim would be an Olympic contender if he hadn’t changed federations? Hard to say without knowing who he would've played with. Sam Schachter dragged Dan Dearing out of retirement because there really weren't any elite Canadian blockers, and there still aren't any as far as I can tell. Sam/Dan aren't likely to qualify on points, but might do so via NORCECA. Is Chaim any better than Sam? It's certainly not obvious to me. I don't think Chaim/Pedlow would've been much better either. But there are certainly several better blocking options in the US. He probably looked at the US in 2016 and saw that we had two Olympic defenders in their late 30s, with the next best defender in his 40s, and figured he'd have a good chance to grab Phil or Jake, or someone like Theo or Ryan if those guys retired. Even Tri/Chaim would've been a pretty good team in 2020 if not for Tri's auto-immune issues or the pandemic. Chaim probably waited a year too long to make that decision though, playing with Saxton in 2017, which pretty much wasted the Tokyo cycle. If he had switched right after Rio he'd have had a much better chance.
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Post by burnabyjo on Mar 6, 2024 19:19:31 GMT -5
Hard to say without knowing who he would've played with. Sam Schachter dragged Dan Dearing out of retirement because there really weren't any elite Canadian blockers, and there still aren't any as far as I can tell. Sam/Dan aren't likely to qualify on points, but might do so via NORCECA. Is Chaim any better than Sam? It's certainly not obvious to me. I don't think Chaim/Pedlow would've been much better either. But there are certainly several better blocking options in the US. He probably looked at the US in 2016 and saw that we had two Olympic defenders in their late 30s, with the next best defender in his 40s, and figured he'd have a good chance to grab Phil or Jake, or someone like Theo or Ryan if those guys retired. Even Tri/Chaim would've been a pretty good team in 2020 if not for Tri's auto-immune issues or the pandemic. Chaim probably waited a year too long to make that decision though, playing with Saxton in 2017, which pretty much wasted the Tokyo cycle. If he had switched right after Rio he'd have had a much better chance. All good points, didn't watch Sam play this event but I believe he's currently better than Chaim. Norceca qualifiers will be interesting. Looks like it will just be between Cuba and Canada given the level of Sarabia/Virgen currently. And no Rubio/Gaxiola, those guys can play ball. I'm looking forward to seeing how cuba handles that pressure, biggest games of their careers. I didn't watch when they played Rossi/Lupo at last WCH, but I heard they folded up in that game.
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Post by itssteve on Mar 7, 2024 6:34:41 GMT -5
Maybe Tri is the problem.
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Post by VT Karen on Mar 7, 2024 22:17:27 GMT -5
I just watched Tri's vlog on the Sandcast Youtube and saw that Travis is their new coach? What does everyone think about this?
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Post by keeweekid on Mar 8, 2024 0:28:08 GMT -5
I just watched Tri's vlog on the Sandcast Youtube and saw that Travis is their new coach? What does everyone think about this? Not sure what Travis brings to the table X and O wise as both tri/chaim have played longer than Travis and are at much higher levels of play than Travis. Travis blocks but Tri bigger better blocker so not sure if Travis is teaching tri anything about blocking that tri doesn’t already know/ do. I think where Travis could help is the knowing the fivb points game (in terms of what tournaments they should be playing, who is ahead, what they need to do to catch up… as Tri I believe says this is not his strong suit or pays much attention to. Travis also seems fairly level headed, easy going so maybe he can better calm down tri/chaim when frustration comes out. So I see Travis bringing a bit more organization and positive attitude to the team but is that enough to get tri/chaim to be a top 10-15 team? Doubtful but not because of Travis, just that Tri/chaim are not a top 10-15 team. Neither brings anything super elite to the table ala Mol blocking or high level quick tempo offense….etc.
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Post by VT Karen on Mar 8, 2024 2:29:25 GMT -5
I just watched Tri's vlog on the Sandcast Youtube and saw that Travis is their new coach? What does everyone think about this? Not sure what Travis brings to the table X and O wise as both tri/chaim have played longer than Travis and are at much higher levels of play than Travis. Travis blocks but Tri bigger better blocker so not sure if Travis is teaching tri anything about blocking that tri doesn’t already know/ do. I think where Travis could help is the knowing the fivb points game (in terms of what tournaments they should be playing, who is ahead, what they need to do to catch up… as Tri I believe says this is not his strong suit or pays much attention to. Travis also seems fairly level headed, easy going so maybe he can better calm down tri/chaim when frustration comes out. So I see Travis bringing a bit more organization and positive attitude to the team but is that enough to get tri/chaim to be a top 10-15 team? Doubtful but not because of Travis, just that Tri/chaim are not a top 10-15 team. Neither brings anything super elite to the table ala Mol blocking or high level quick tempo offense….etc. Great post and I agree with all of your points! Travis is a good beach volleyball that will at least bring passion and positivity to Chaim/Tri's sideline and practice.
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Post by poorlambourne on Mar 8, 2024 7:53:27 GMT -5
I just watched Tri's vlog on the Sandcast Youtube and saw that Travis is their new coach? What does everyone think about this? Not sure what Travis brings to the table X and O wise as both tri/chaim have played longer than Travis and are at much higher levels of play than Travis. Travis blocks but Tri bigger better blocker so not sure if Travis is teaching tri anything about blocking that tri doesn’t already know/ do. Playing skill doesn't really correlate to coaching ability after a certain level. The two most valuable parts of having a coach are: An outside perspective, both outside of each player and outside the team. Someone to run practice.
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Post by ajm on Mar 8, 2024 8:46:53 GMT -5
Not sure what Travis brings to the table X and O wise as both tri/chaim have played longer than Travis and are at much higher levels of play than Travis. Travis blocks but Tri bigger better blocker so not sure if Travis is teaching tri anything about blocking that tri doesn’t already know/ do. Playing skill doesn't really correlate to coaching ability after a certain level. The two most valuable parts of having a coach are: An outside perspective, both outside of each player and outside the team. Someone to run practice. Tri said on Sandcast that he likes how Travis communicates, and that he’s always available via text or phone. But honestly, I don’t expect Tri and Chaim to be together much longer anyway. He already said they’re gonna reevaluate after Tepic next month. And they’ll almost certainly be mathematically eliminated from Paris contention by then. My prediction is that they’ll be with different partners for Huntington Beach in May. Maybe Tri will stick with Travis as his coach though.
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Post by VT Karen on Mar 9, 2024 4:59:32 GMT -5
Not sure what Travis brings to the table X and O wise as both tri/chaim have played longer than Travis and are at much higher levels of play than Travis. Travis blocks but Tri bigger better blocker so not sure if Travis is teaching tri anything about blocking that tri doesn’t already know/ do. Playing skill doesn't really correlate to coaching ability after a certain level. The two most valuable parts of having a coach are: An outside perspective, both outside of each player and outside the team. Someone to run practice. Interesting. Are you able to define that "certain level?" Im curious.
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Post by beachcoach on Mar 9, 2024 7:46:47 GMT -5
Playing skill doesn't really correlate to coaching ability after a certain level. The two most valuable parts of having a coach are: An outside perspective, both outside of each player and outside the team. Someone to run practice. Interesting. Are you able to define that "certain level?" Im curious. Taking a leaf out of Italy and Brazils book Catarina de Marinis and Leticia Pessoa are coaches smaller than Nuss and coaching on the BPT. Leticia coached Alison and Emanuel. So many skills beyond playing at play in these examples.
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Post by VT Karen on Mar 9, 2024 11:47:20 GMT -5
Interesting. Are you able to define that "certain level?" Im curious. Taking a leaf out of Italy and Brazils book Catarina de Marinis and Leticia Pessoa are coaches smaller than Nuss and coaching on the BPT. Leticia coached Alison and Emanuel. So many skills beyond playing at play in these examples. Wow I didn't know these things! Thank you for sharing.
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Post by beachcoach on Mar 9, 2024 12:00:37 GMT -5
Taking a leaf out of Italy and Brazils book Catarina de Marinis and Leticia Pessoa are coaches smaller than Nuss and coaching on the BPT. Leticia coached Alison and Emanuel. So many skills beyond playing at play in these examples. Wow I didn't know these things! Thank you for sharing. You can find Leticia on Instagram here. Just scroll down and you can see her with todays winners in this cycle but also a lovely shot with Alison and Emanuel in recognition of previous results 💪❤️ www.instagram.com/letbrasil?igsh=bHdrZ3RsMndoYzZ5
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Post by beachcoach on Mar 9, 2024 12:02:59 GMT -5
Here is also the International Coaches Association Facebook page and you can see a presentation to Caterina for Outstanding improvement coach in 2023 for Italy www.facebook.com/ibvca
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